Lee Adams Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 i talked to a guy i work with who lives near the coach and talks to him fairly regularly...the gist of what he is getting is that this is the year brookhart has to do it or...thats why he brought in all the JC's...says as of now bain will play...worried about the running game...if AA doesn't come back...look out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 i talked to a guy i work with who lives near the coach and talks to him fairly regularly...the gist of what he is getting is that this is the year brookhart has to do it or...thats why he brought in all the JC's...says as of now bain will play...worried about the running game...if AA doesn't come back...look out...Lee, Lee, Lee. Take another happy pill, OK? "all the JCs" is what - two or three? (Deonte Ball unsigned verbal) And one of those has MONSTER HANDS! :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 2-3 JC players = "all those JC players". Yikes, the lack of perspective on this board is mind boggling sometimes. Assuming none of the JC players graduated after last year, that brings the total on the team to around 7. Seven is less than 10% of the team. 8 is still less than 10% of the team.I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that said some guy told him Santa is real. I guess that means Santa is real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 2-3 JC players = "all those JC players". Yikes, the lack of perspective on this board is mind boggling sometimes. Assuming none of the JC players graduated after last year, that brings the total on the team to around 7. Seven is less than 10% of the team. 8 is still less than 10% of the team.I know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy that said some guy told him Santa is real. I guess that means Santa is real.Santa must be real GP1. I asked for "monster hands" this Christmas, and look, we've got "monster hands".Seriously though Lee Owens er I mean Adams. At least wait until after the spring game to start with this years rendition of "win or he's gone". With all the beating that subject has taken from you I'm surprised the Dead Horse isn't waking up from his 2 month slumber. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Even if it's true, do you have to put on pom-poms and dance around about it?Brookhart is here this year. So what's the point of all this? If (sadly) we have a bad enough season for him to get tossed at the end of next year, wait until then to dig his grave and dance on it. Sheesh.True story about a "know a guy who knows a guy"...I was doing a delivery about 3 or 4 weeks before the whole Cleveland Browns -> Model to Baltimore thing broke, and a kid who seemed to have a learning disorder was telling me about how so-and-so (someone in his family, I can't remember) knows someone in the Browns and that they are leaving Cleveland. The kid's disability was somewhat obvious, so I was patronizing him with "Really? Wow that's interesting" but not actually lending much credence to it. I was shocked later.Sometimes "know a guy who knows a guy who knows a guy" actually has some truth in it....But seriously, If I was JD I am sure it would occur to me even if no one ever even came to me and said it. After your third or fourth year, excuses hold less and less water each successive year. It's just a reality of the business.But let's not celebrate losing... Okay guys? Thanx.If I actually didn't like a coach or thought he was bad, I would actually root for the team to win and for me to be wrong. I would NOT hope for losing so I could be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 If you say something over and over long enough...eventually it will come true. Most people don't have the time, some do.I knew a special needs guy that used to say it was going to rain all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 If you say something over and over long enough...eventually it will come true.This is especially true in coaching. The coaching profession is full of good coaches who got fired at one point or another. Had JD stuck around Pitt for one more year, he would have been fired when Harris was fired. It is the nature of the beast.The Broncos coach was fired this year. He had won multiple Super Bowls. Does that make him a bad coach? Toledo Tom has MAC Championships under his belt, along with a few thousand dollars of Tony Pakos but that is another thread. Is he a bad coach because he basically got fired?Sometimes fans think a winning coach is a guy who holds some secret knowledge that other coaches don't have. That is not the case. The vast majority of coaches basically know the same things. It is more the case that the difference between an employed coach and an unemployed coach is the players. I've said it before and I'll say it again. 20+ years of losing has resulted in a program that has a losing attitude. Some of you can think whatever you want, but a coach is not going to make a player a winner. All a coach can do is teach a player to play. At some point, one or a group of players is going to make the program a winner when they find that attitude within themselves. Until then, the revolving door of NE Ohio coaches will continue.Some of you can rest assured though. JD is gone one way or another after next year. They can actually be a very good team. If they are, he needs to leave and go to bigger and better opportunities. If they don't, he needs to leave in order to freshen up the program. Six years at UofA, or any MAC coach, is enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Knowing that we've taken JCs before, why would taking a few of them this year be perceived as some sort of "desperation" move? Lee...maybe you were much happier with JDs predecessor, who delivered a record of 20+ games under .500, was here a few years longer than JD, and won NO championships. Although I'm not happy with how the last few seasons have finished, I sure as heck don't want to go back to that. If this season is a failure, I hope we seriously start looking for a better coach. But until that happens, I'd find it pretty counterproductive for anybody who considers themselves to be a true Zips fan to be cheering for his demise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 worried about the running game...if AA doesn't come back...look out...Wow, not that I'm a coach or talent evaluator, but with Dale Martin and DeVoe Torrence ready to carry the rock the RB position is not giving me sleepless nights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Where to begin on this one OK, that feels better.Is it a "news flush" when there is pressure on a coach to have a winning season heading into a new stadium coming off of three straight losing campaigns? Captain Obvious agrees wholeheartedly Gee, I wonder why Reno Ferri (only the RUNNING BACKS COACH and as big of an AA fan as there is) didn't seem to share any particular concern over the running game the other night at OBC???I'll admit I was among those who thought that getting rid of JD after the late season collapse should have been at least considered, but with the way things happened with other MAC coaches and the apparent wealth of ability in this year's class I am glad that he has at least this season to try to put it all together here for the Zips. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Blue and Gold...just a word of caution. Although the talent is there, I won't feel too great if we have to place our entire running game in the hands of two guys who have never played. I think Alex's healthy return....as the only experienced back.... is going to have a lot of bearing on our success this coming year. In fact, I think Allen is better than Kennedy. We'll see how it plays out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 On a scale of one to ten, my concern with running backs for next season rates a 2.On a scale of one to ten, my concern with defense for next season rates a 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dr. Z....sounds like you don't feel that Allen returning, or not returning, will matter either way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziptrumpet87 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 With most of the OL back, the running game shouldn't be a problem, nor should protecting the QB. I'd agree, I'm more interested in what improvement will be made on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I care about the QB. If we play people tight into the 4th quarter, then turn the ball over when the game is on the line, we'll go 5-7 again.The defense will be fine. RB's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbozeglav Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 With most of the OL back, the running game shouldn't be a problem, nor should protecting the QB. I'd agree, I'm more interested in what improvement will be made on defense.our offense is quite capable of putting up enough points to win games. it's our defense that can't keep teams from scoring more points than our offense can. Look at our averages last year and that will say it all.if you replace last year's d with a defense that allowed at least 5 less points per game and quite a few games we lost last year would have been victories. simply put, our defense is the main concern here. is the 3-3-5 gone? if not, are they going to be actually capable of tackling on first contact? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Trumpet...don't get me wrong. I'm with you on the defense. But the idea came up about the running game being no problem, even if Allen doesn't return. And I personally wouldn't feel that way. I think Alex could possibly be the key to our entire attack offensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 Dr. Z....sounds like you don't feel that Allen returning, or not returning, will matter either way?I wouldn't say it like that. I will say that I am confident our offense will be able to move the ball on the ground. Don't get me wrong, AA is one of my favorite players, I hope he has 2000 yards this year, but he has had injury problems, so I'm not banking on it. Knowing that, I'm still not "worried" about the running back position. Running backs are going to win us more than they lose us. I can't say the same yet for the D. Like trumpet says, OL should be solid, and we all know that's where it starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 If we run the 3-3-5 again and are a sieve on defense and lose several close games, I will be ready to crucify JD regardless of a few offensive turnovers. Will be patient and supportive until then though.The scheme should fit the talent, not the other way around. Any real coach knows that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 11, 2009 Report Share Posted February 11, 2009 I got ya Dr. Z. It's certainly hard to argue that we haven't been able to count on him....with his injury problems. But, here's to having a healthy and production AA this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 If we run the 3-3-5 again and are a sieve on defense and lose several close games, I will be ready to crucify JD regardless of a few offensive turnovers. Will be patient and supportive until then though.The scheme should fit the talent, not the other way around. Any real coach knows that.Yep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I care about the QB. If we play people tight into the 4th quarter, then turn the ball over when the game is on the line, we'll go 5-7 again.Exactly! When the game is on the line, the QB MUST perform. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I care about the QB. If we play people tight into the 4th quarter, then turn the ball over when the game is on the line, we'll go 5-7 again.Exactly! When the game is on the line, the QB MUST perform.Actual instances ignored, high statistical late game interceptions to me implies that the defenses learned our routes and schemes and started risking plays on the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I care about the QB. If we play people tight into the 4th quarter, then turn the ball over when the game is on the line, we'll go 5-7 again.Exactly! When the game is on the line, the QB MUST perform.I'm sorry, but when you have a 2 score lead late in the third quarter early in the fourth, and you lose the game, that's not the on the QB it's on the Defense. BGSU 23 points given up in the 4th quarter.Ohio loss, no turnovers.Both those game lost because of poor defensive play. Buffalo game lost on a bad handoff in the 4th OT. The only reason the game went to OT? Solid play for Jacquemain. Because the defense sure never stopped Willy or Starks.But yeah we'll just keep blaming poor QB play on the losses like typical NEO sports fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted February 12, 2009 Report Share Posted February 12, 2009 I care about the QB. If we play people tight into the 4th quarter, then turn the ball over when the game is on the line, we'll go 5-7 again.Exactly! When the game is on the line, the QB MUST perform.I'm sorry, but when you have a 2 score lead late in the third quarter early in the fourth, and you lose the game, that's not the on the QB it's on the Defense. BGSU 23 points given up in the 4th quarter.Ohio loss, no turnovers.Both those game lost because of poor defensive play. Buffalo game lost on a bad handoff in the 4th OT. The only reason the game went to OT? Solid play for Jacquemain. Because the defense sure never stopped Willy or Starks.But yeah we'll just keep blaming poor QB play on the losses like typical NEO sports fans.Did you see the Super Bowl this year? The best defense in the NFL had their pants pulled down with 2:30 to go in the game and the QB had to bail them out. Like it or not, it is always about the QB in football. He is the guy who touches the ball every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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