Zips In Game/Post Game Thread

[GP1]

I've seen enough. Start of the fourth quarter and it is over. I'd rather type this post than watch any more. I'll gladly eat my words if the Zips come back, but I'm going to an earlier dinner than expected.Where to start?1. The defensive coaches have everyone right where they need to be and they miss tackle after tackle. #11 is a liability tackling. IU had too many yards after contact.2. The defense has been on the field too long.3. Indiana is bigger, faster and stronger than the Zips at almost every position.4. #17 is on the field too much. He isn't a strong enough runner and he falls down too much. #10 needs to play more.5. #1 needs to have the ball thrown to him more.6. For those who say Rodgers just needs to get into a rythm, I say he is in one. The rythm of throwing to the other team. Thanks quarterbackers...7. More strange things happen to the Zips than any other team. Two enforced penalties on the same play. Strange.8. Statistically speaking, there was no way a Big Ten team was going to lose to a MAC school two times in one year. Correction, IU beat WMU.9. We have a solid defensive front. It will do well against MAC schools. Keep the faith.10. Coaching, JD has nine more games to win six.Keep the faith. The team is good enough to win in the MAC.

[zestycoyote]

Hi, I've been a frequent reader of the forums, and I've decided to start adding my opinion this season. I agree that the defense misses a lot of tackles. I don't think you calling out #11 is fair, though. He made some great hits before he left the game with an injury. Brian Wagner (#34) is the best play on our team, except for maybe Bowser (#1). I definitely agree that #17 shouldn't be on the field. He's a true freshman, and for some reason he keeps getting play over Allen (#10). They must have seen something spectacular from him during the summer.Watching Rodgers made me want to vomit. His best attribute is his legs, and he refused to run almost all game long. We know he can't throw as well as Jaq, so he needs to add his flavor to the offense, otherwise, today will happen over and over for the rest of the season (or as long as Rodgers plays). Defense and special teams played great (save the opening kick return). Can't be happier about the blocked FG and punt. However, JD needs to watch his back. His team was a favorite today, and he let IU gain control, and then basically let his team lay down. That is unacceptable.

[MDZip]

Very disappointing. Don't know if Jacq would have helped but it seemed our biggest issues was in the passing game. Rodgers has had very little opportunity and to have to shoulder it all today is not all his fault. Hope Jacq feels a lot of the responsibiulity for that. Rodgers did not play well (with 4 INT's) but Indiana outmanned us, and with the poor field position the D was handed it was almost a given to score. Indiana is not a good team, but we sure made it easy on them.

[Let'sGoZips94]

Very disappointing. Rodgers has had very little opportunity and to have to shoulder it all today is not all his fault. Hope Jacq feels a lot of the responsibiulity for that. Rodgers did not play well (with 4 INT's) but Indiana outmanned us, and with the poor field position the D was handed it was almost a given to score.

I also feel the play calling was bad. Rogers isn't the QB you call most of those plays for, and I don't think he was comfortable with it. We'll see as the year goes on, but let's just hope Akron can recover and beat CMU.On a positive note we scored 3 TDs and

[Z.I.P.]

Where to start?10. Coaching, JD has nine more games to win six.

Fortunately for JD, he only needs to win five of nine to keep his job. I give him a 50/50 shot. At best. And that's an objective analysis.The game went bad from the start. Not only did the Hoos run back the kickoff, but ESPNU put up the pictures of Akron's offensive players, and above the name "Rodgers" was a photo of a black guy. At least UA didn't screw up that one.

[Zipmeister]

Just checked out the scoreboard at espn. According to them only 18,340 showed up at the Rubber Bowl to watch the game! How many were at the Info?

[ZachTheZip]

The game was lost before the opening kickoff, when Zippy got decapitated by her Segway.

[Lee Adams]

The game was lost before the opening kickoff, when Zippy got decapitated by her Segway.

exactly what we said...it was all down hill from there..

[zipsbandman]

Ummm I don't know about any of you but I am pissed about how we got dominated today....or should I say "Lynched". Indiana was trying to give us the game and they still dominated. Eastern Kentucky gave those guys a better effort than we did. Fellow Macster WMU did as well and on the road. Offensive and Defensive side of the ball was terrible. I'm sorry but new stadium an all we still have the mediocre borderline bad football team from the rubber bowl. I was bored by the third quarter. At least I have the Browns tomorrow....oh wait.

[GP1]

I agree that the defense misses a lot of tackles. I don't think you calling out #11 is fair, though. He made some great hits before he left the game with an injury. Brian Wagner (#34) is the best play on our team, except for maybe Bowser (#1).

It wasn't just missed tackles. I said before, IU was bigger, faster and stronger. Even when we hit them in the backfield, they were able to gain a yard or two.If anyone knows, I would like to know what the IU yards per play was on first down. We rarely held them to three and out.

[GP1]

Fortunately for JD, he only needs to win five of nine to keep his job. I give him a 50/50 shot. At best. And that's an objective analysis.

I think you are right about 6-6, but that gets him fired because that will only be 5 D-1A wins. I used to think they could beat Syracuse, but I'm pretty certain they will not after watching the game today. Good MAC teams have good QB play. We don't have good qb play.

[GP1]

I'm sorry but new stadium an all we still have the mediocre borderline bad football team from the rubber bowl.

Are you saying a building can't change 20+ years of losing? I've been saying that for a long time now.

[GP1]

I also feel the play calling was bad. Rogers isn't the QB you call most of those plays for, and I don't think he was comfortable with it.

The problem is they practice all week with one qb and then have to use another with different talents. I am not as concerned as much about the play calling (althought I am concerned about the play calling) as I am not having the best running back on the field as much as possible.They need to do more things to get #1 the ball. Put him in motion or something to get him free. We are seeing the play calling that earned Shane Montgomery the name Shame Montgomery at Miami. Let's get the right people in the game so we can succeed.

[GP1]

The most important statistic of the day, besides Rodgers 4 ints, is IU had the ball for 11 minutes in the first quarter. Football is played with humans and not robots. The defense was exhaused after the first quarter.

[Z.I.P.]

I've seen enough. Start of the fourth quarter and it is over. I'd rather type this post than watch any more. I'll gladly eat my words if the Zips come back, but I'm going to an earlier dinner than expected.Where to start?4. #17 is on the field too much. He isn't a strong enough runner and he falls down too much. #10 needs to play more.5. #1 needs to have the ball thrown to him more.

More: #10 is the default ball carrier. However, he can't get to the outside fast enough, and can't escape tackles. How about we give #25 (that's Torrence for those without a roster) more than two carries per game? He had the only long run of the game, and led Akron in rushing despite carrying the ball only his allocated two times.Rodgers threw to #1 more often than anyone, and I suspect he was the primary receiver on every pass beyond the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately, Matt overthrew him two or three times (maybe more), and a couple of those were picked. He was wide open on the ball that tipped off his finger and was INT'ed.I DO agree, after watching on TV that Indiana was stronger and quicker across the field. However, the Hoos were also able to adjust to most everything Akron did, while Akron was unable to change at all. IU defeated Akron on the field, and on the sideline and in the booth.

[GP1]

I've seen enough. Start of the fourth quarter and it is over. I'd rather type this post than watch any more. I'll gladly eat my words if the Zips come back, but I'm going to an earlier dinner than expected.Where to start?4. #17 is on the field too much. He isn't a strong enough runner and he falls down too much. #10 needs to play more.5. #1 needs to have the ball thrown to him more.

More: #10 is the default ball carrier. However, he can't get to the outside fast enough, and can't escape tackles. How about we give #25 (that's Torrence for those without a roster) more than two carries per game? He had the only long run of the game, and led Akron in rushing despite carrying the ball only his allocated two times.Rodgers threw to #1 more often than anyone, and I suspect he was the primary receiver on every pass beyond the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately, Matt overthrew him two or three times (maybe more), and a couple of those were picked. He was wide open on the ball that tipped off his finger and was INT'ed.I DO agree, after watching on TV that Indiana was stronger and quicker across the field. However, the Hoos were also able to adjust to most everything Akron did, while Akron was unable to change at all. IU defeated Akron on the field, and on the sideline and in the booth.

Good post. If your players are stronger and faster, it sure can make a coach look like a genious. IU did defeat UofA on the field and on the sideline AND in the recruiting arena. Good talent wins games most of the time. Period.

[bUAkronG]

I've seen enough. Start of the fourth quarter and it is over. I'd rather type this post than watch any more. I'll gladly eat my words if the Zips come back, but I'm going to an earlier dinner than expected.Where to start?4. #17 is on the field too much. He isn't a strong enough runner and he falls down too much. #10 needs to play more.5. #1 needs to have the ball thrown to him more.

More: #10 is the default ball carrier. However, he can't get to the outside fast enough, and can't escape tackles. How about we give #25 (that's Torrence for those without a roster) more than two carries per game? He had the only long run of the game, and led Akron in rushing despite carrying the ball only his allocated two times.Rodgers threw to #1 more often than anyone, and I suspect he was the primary receiver on every pass beyond the line of scrimmage. Unfortunately, Matt overthrew him two or three times (maybe more), and a couple of those were picked. He was wide open on the ball that tipped off his finger and was INT'ed.I DO agree, after watching on TV that Indiana was stronger and quicker across the field. However, the Hoos were also able to adjust to most everything Akron did, while Akron was unable to change at all. IU defeated Akron on the field, and on the sideline and in the booth.

Thank you. This kid is miles ahead of our other backs. He was committed to the Bucks, where his brother Devon currently plays, yet Brookhart and the other coaches don't see the talent behind him. I hope the reason he doesn't get a lot of carries is because he is young. otherwise this is bull.

[RootforRoo44]

I'm sorry, you put Jacquemain in that game and we probably win or come close to it. Rodgers was our defense and our offense's worst enemy. Another thing, and exactly what alot of you are saying, WHY THE HELL IS DEVOE NOT PLAYING MORE?!? Alex Allen has some talent but Shuford has no business being in the game right now so if you are going to split up the carries, then give the damn ball to Torrence. The guy is a freak athletically, there is a reason he was one of the top rated athletes in the country! Give-him-the-ball!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[KentZip]

Just so I will feel better after watching that crap yesterday:Jacquemain? One word. Fie!

I would imagine that getting a backups worth of snaps during the week affected Rodger's performance. See above.

You can call me the Charlie Brown of Zips football but I was naive enough to envision a starting defensive line this year of Bain, Stewart, Henderson and Tonga. None of them have played and it sounds likely that Bain never will. I did see him in the game against Morgan State (I think) and I can see why he doesn't play when only semi healthy. The improvement I envisioned in this part of the team gave me the most optimism for this year.

The absolute turd we laid on the field yesterday coupled with 3 consecutive weeks on the road will insure that we start getting back towards Rubber Bowl attendance figures very shortly.

It seems like the best punter and place kicker are both sitting on the sidelines.

As pointed out by others, the defense was on the field way too long.

[Big Zip]

So just to check if my sight line was terrible I looked up size of the o-lines and d-lines and guess what you were right GP1 they outweighed us on the o-line by 7 lbs. You must have amazing eyes to be able to see that small of a difference when it is spread across 5 players. The d-line was a little be more, but I don't believe the weight difference was significant enough. Indiana -- o-line6'5 318; 6'8 331; 6'5 311; 6'6 293; 6'2 285 -- 1,538 totalAkron -- o-line6'5 305; 6'5 305; 6'3 310; 6'4 310; 6'3 295 -- 1,525 totalIndiana - d-line6'3 284; 6'3 259; 6'3 282; 6'2 306 -- average 282.75Akron - d-line6'1 280; 6'3 275; 6'4 290 -- average 281This game was first lost in the trenches -- Akron was manhandled in the trenches. Everytime Indiana snapped the ball the o-line had our d-line back a yard or two -- thus equating to yards via running plays almost every down. What I think this gets at is something we've all been talking about on here for years (including GP1) this terrible 3-3-5 defense. I'll go one further from Saturday's game - the defensive play calling. Akron plays like they are on there heels the whole game. The defensive backs play 10 yards off the wide receiver every play -- there was no reason to go long when there was a ten-yard cushion on every play. When we did send some sort of blitz (more than 3 people) we were able to get pressure on the quarterback.I've been a supporter of Jacq on this board and if yesterday's game is any indication of what you get in Rogers I say burn Nicely's redshirt now. I hope a full week of practices as the no. 1 qb helps him. I did hear from a friend that Jacq did something really bad and not to expect him back. I have no idea what he did and my friend said he wasn't comfortable telling me, but apparently it was pretty bad. I say time to move on and try to salvage this season. I'm struggling to find a way for this team to go .500. I'm just not seeing it. I suspect next week against CMU to be worse than this week. I'm already wondering if 30,000 seats is too many for the pathetic Akron fan base. I for one was disappointed with the crowd yesterday and can't imagine this team sees more than the 18,000 from yesterday for the remaining games against teams not named Can't. Finally, I'm afraid JD is just proving year in and year out he just isn't the guy to take us to the next level.

[Big Zip]

One more thing...as it has been said here before this is the same Indiana team that beat Eastern Kentucky 19-13 at home and WMU 23-19 home. They came to our house and beat us like a drum....are you freaking kidding me. Are you telling me we are that much worse than both EKU and WMU?

[GP1]

So just to check if my sight line was terrible I looked up size of the o-lines and d-lines and guess what you were right GP1 they outweighed us on the o-line by 7 lbs. You must have amazing eyes to be able to see that small of a difference when it is spread across 5 players.

I don't know if I have better eyes, but I do know I'm a better football observer than you idiots. Not only were they bigger, they were in better shape. It doesn't take huge differences, but small differences are what matters. The Zips size should be OK when MAC play starts.Let's make it clear that the Great GP1 was the first to call the 3-3-5 a gimmick around three years ago, maybe more. The reasoning is far more than what you guys can comprehend so you should just take my word for it.I'd also like to see a comparison of height and weight for all of the positions. If you could get on that right away, I would like to see something by 2:00 today. Don't bother with the Browns game, they suck.Good observation about the DBs playing too far off. The Zips were able to get some pressure on Chappell. What you missed though was how inaccurate Chappell was. A little pressure and inaccuracy can spell INT if the DBs aren't playing in the third row of the stadium. I really didn't see Chappell as a deep threat. Hell, he didn't need to be a deep threat because they were given the ball in great field position most of the time.

[goodthts]

Good observation about the DBs playing too far off. The Zips were able to get some pressure on Chappell. What you missed though was how inaccurate Chappell was. A little pressure and inaccuracy can spell INT if the DBs aren't playing in the third row of the stadium. I really didn't see Chappell as a deep threat. Hell, he didn't need to be a deep threat because they were given the ball in great field position most of the time.

I've been noticing the same thing with all Brookhart teams! Why do our DB's and LB's play well off their receiver when in a man to man coverage situation?!?! A little bump at the line or some tighter coverage and mistakes are more probable.Although....I too knew we lost even before the first snap. Once Zippy lost her head and stumbled around looking for it, THEN got back on the Segway and proceeded to implant herself headfirst into the turf, things were looking bad for us. :blink: Other thoughts:Tailgate at Lot 9 was once again a blast. We had plenty of time to wander several lots talking to fans and even some Indiana people. Btw, the sandwiches at PINTS are pretty good for $5.We run the most un-creative offense i've ever watched! First play always hand off awkwardly to someone not name Devoe for 2-3 yards. 2nd Down throw a short pass to the left-side flat for 4-5 yards. 3RD Down and 2-3 yards, we either run the same failed first down play or try to force the ball into coverage. WTF?!?!?!?! 1) Do we not have 6 RB's that can be rotated in the backfield? Maybe a throw to one of them out of the backfield as a safety measure could be tried.2) Are our TE's incapable of either running a pass route and/or catching a pass? Is that why we do not use them?3) Bowser=speed, strength Bruce=possesions and clutch and LaFrance=? These are our only threats?Is our mediocre play mostly due to unqualified playing ability or could a better or at least more creative coach do more with this bunch?

[GP1]

1) Do we not have 6 RB's that can be rotated in the backfield?

I have a better idea. Instead of trying to make everyone happy, keep one RB in the game as much as possible. Let that player get into a rythm and ride the horse until he is exhausted or hurt. That's how they do it in the NFL.Let's get the ball into our best playmakers hands as much as possible.... #10 and #1.

[goodthts]

1) Do we not have 6 RB's that can be rotated in the backfield?

I have a better idea. Instead of trying to make everyone happy, keep one RB in the game as much as possible. Let that player get into a rythm and ride the horse until he is exhausted or hurt. That's how they do it in the NFL.Let's get the ball into our best playmakers hands as much as possible.... #10 and #1.

No they do not, not any more. The NFL has changed in the last few years. More and more teams are moving towards a multiple RB set up. Look at TENN, SD, BALT, and TB, etc. Norman Nobody has to stop running the ball. Who the heck is he? Where did he come from? Wasnt Allen and Torrence our featured backs even as late as August? JD needs to start Torrence and Allen in a 2 back set.