Ron Paul

[GP1]

This is a replay of the Ron Paul speech at CPAC this weekend. Ron Paul is a real conservative.Unfortunately, neo-conservatives have taken over an American political party. Neo-conservatives are big government liberals calling themselves conservative. When you turn on FOX News, you see neo-conservatives in Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume, etc. These guys are big government liberals who want to use government to promote their reilgious and international agenda. They are absolute lunatics.Please take 20 minutes and listen to Ron Paul to see if what he says makes sense. I think it does and I wish the guy was president.

[Zipmeister]

This is a replay of the Ron Paul speech at CPAC this weekend. Ron Paul is a real conservative.Unfortunately, neo-conservatives have taken over an American political party. Neo-conservatives are big government liberals calling themselves conservative. When you turn on FOX News, you see neo-conservatives in Fred Barnes, Bill Kristol, Brit Hume, etc. These guys are big government liberals who want to use government to promote their reilgious and international agenda. They are absolute lunatics.Please take 20 minutes and listen to Ron Paul to see if what he says makes sense. I think it does and I wish the guy was president.

Is he related to Leonard Paul?

[ZippyTuba11]

I've been following Ron Paul since the 2008 primary. It is very sad that this country did not elect him then. Though he seems posed to make a strong run. If the C4L and YAL really set up the ground work now, Paul might actually be a front runner in 2012. He's the only GOP candidate that could really pull independents from Obama. His son Rand Paul is running for senate in Kentucky. I used to think all people in government were complete crooks. Dr. Ron Paul has cured my apathy.

[GP1]

I've been following Ron Paul since the 2008 primary.

I voted for him as well. He was the only sane choice. Instead, McCain won and he ran with that empty skirt Palin. I voted Libertarian in the general.William F. Buckley, God rest his soul, was a great conservative who guided the conservative movement in the US until his passing. Now we have Rush Limbaugh, Hannity, O'reilly and a bunch of other hysterical pseudointellectuals leading the movement. They are in fact really stupid and their stupidity leads them to hate those they don't agree with. I don't know how anyone could listen to those boobs for any length of time and feel good after listening to them. Buckley never outwardly hated anyone.

[72 Roo]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

[zippyrifle32]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

It's in the off topic section.

[ZachTheZip]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

It's in the off topic section.

We could always use more off-topic discussions.

[RootforRoo44]

Ya know if Ron Paul wasn't anti-life i'd be all for him. Other than that he's definitely what this country needs...well anythings better than ...yeah

[meatwad]

Ya know if Ron Paul wasn't anti-life i'd be all for him. Other than that he's definitely what this country needs...well anythings better than ...yeah

Anti-Life?If you are implying that he is "pro-choice", I do believe that is incorrect.It's from Wikipedia, I know, but here are some pointers on his abortion stands.Paul supports constitutional rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms, and habeas corpus for political detainees. He opposes the Patriot Act, federal use of torture, presidential autonomy, a national ID card, domestic surveillance, and the draft. Citing the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Paul advocates states' rights to decide how to regulate social matters not directly found in the Constitution. Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[150] "an unshakable foe of abortion",[151] and believes regulation or ban[152] on medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level".[153][154] He says his years as an obstetrician led him to believe life begins at conception;[155] his pro-life legislation, like the Sanctity of Life Act, is intended to negate Roe v. Wade and to get "the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters."[156]So there you go. Support him in full conscience.

[zen]

I know ron paul is a republican, but I don't know how you call him "conservative".Maybe it's because conservative pundits like rush limbaugh have been paying lip service to libertarian ideals like "smaller less intrusive government" for the purpose of trying to bring them into the republican tent so they can push their big government practices.When conservatives try to lay claim to libertarian ideals, this is a part of the problem we have today because people get confused into thinking that conservatives really want less government. With a national debt that will be economically punitive to our future at best, and at worst will probably result in a complete collapse. Two parties who appear to fight on many issues, but each of which grow government, it's powers, and it's responsibilities, at ever turn. Ron Paul in 2008 was the last chance. I don't even care anymore. It's done. Stick a fork in the old Bill of Rights.

[GoZips]

Ron Paul is by no stretch of the imagination a Conservative.Constitutional? Are you serious? In this country thanks to the Dred Scott Supreme Court decisionin 1854 it was legal to own slaves. In fact, the Supreme Court declared it was the legal right of a slaveowner to shoot dead any slave who rebelled or, God forbid, ran away. Ron Paul would support that view today.Ron Paul and his idiot spawn are pro-death. Same as the moron in the White House.Get your facts straight before you choose sides.Ron Paul is a crack pot. Any one who ascribes to his views is also a crack pot.There, I said it.

[zen]

Ron Paul is by no stretch of the imagination a Conservative.

I believe that is true, more or less depending on which line about conservatism you get.

In fact, the Supreme Court declared it was the legal right of a slaveowner to shoot dead any slave who rebelled or, God forbid, ran away. Ron Paul would support that view today.

Please provide some testimony to support this assertion.I'm no big ron paul guy, though I have heard a few of his speeches about government finances and debt and I find him much more appealing that most of the reps and dems I hear. In the limited exposure to Ron Paul that I have, I have never heard anything remotely hinting to such a radical view on slavery or execution.

Ron Paul and his idiot spawn are pro-death. Same as the moron in the White House.

This right here is why most topic related communities don't allow political topics. Can you disagree with people without being so flagrantly insulting?

[RootforRoo44]

Ya know if Ron Paul wasn't anti-life i'd be all for him. Other than that he's definitely what this country needs...well anythings better than ...yeah

Anti-Life?If you are implying that he is "pro-choice", I do believe that is incorrect.It's from Wikipedia, I know, but here are some pointers on his abortion stands.Paul supports constitutional rights, such as the right to keep and bear arms, and habeas corpus for political detainees. He opposes the Patriot Act, federal use of torture, presidential autonomy, a national ID card, domestic surveillance, and the draft. Citing the Ninth and Tenth Amendments, Paul advocates states' rights to decide how to regulate social matters not directly found in the Constitution. Paul calls himself "strongly pro-life",[150] "an unshakable foe of abortion",[151] and believes regulation or ban[152] on medical decisions about maternal or fetal health is "best handled at the state level".[153][154] He says his years as an obstetrician led him to believe life begins at conception;[155] his pro-life legislation, like the Sanctity of Life Act, is intended to negate Roe v. Wade and to get "the federal government completely out of the business of regulating state matters."[156]So there you go. Support him in full conscience.

My apologies...i guess i got the wrong information somewhere about that. Well then, he isnt for allowing baby killing so im all for him ha.

[RootforRoo44]

Ron Paul is by no stretch of the imagination a Conservative.Constitutional? Are you serious? In this country thanks to the Dred Scott Supreme Court decisionin 1854 it was legal to own slaves. In fact, the Supreme Court declared it was the legal right of a slaveowner to shoot dead any slave who rebelled or, God forbid, ran away. Ron Paul would support that view today.Ron Paul and his idiot spawn are pro-death. Same as the moron in the White House.Get your facts straight before you choose sides.Ron Paul is a crack pot. Any one who ascribes to his views is also a crack pot.There, I said it.

I'll agree with you there at least.

[Z.I.P.]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

It's in the off topic section.

We could always use more off-topic discussions.

LMFAO! Somehow, I have managed to miss out on some REALLY meaningful discussion on this board. Just today I have come across the great debate on whether football (i.e., "soccer" as Americans call it) is a major sport. There aren't enough in this single universe to express my thoughts on that topic!And now we come to (drum roll, please!) the Great Battle Between Teabaggers and (right-wing) Libertarians. As a founding member of the Hawai'i Green Party, allow me to display my deep hope that Libertarian Anti-Life murderers, and Tea Party Anti-Choice hystericals will come to the mutual conclusion that it is the national Republican Party which seeks to coopt your wise and courageous patriotism, and immediately begin setting up your own party apparatus for the fall, and all succeding election seasons. That will ensure your crazy ideas don't become even more united to the already extreme agenda of the "mainstream" right-wing party in the USA. In any case, best of luck to you -- but I'm willing to bet your parties together won't gain half the votes earned by Ralph Nader in even 2008. Other than that, my sentiments range toward the following send off to your fortunes: Now, as my football (i.e., "soccer" to the haters) crazed friend, 72 Roo would say to my comrade from Wadsworth, of the same name GO ZIPS!BTW '72 -- let's go throw some stones and down some pints!

[zippyrifle32]

The first time I heard of him was from an Gun Nut up at the NRA National Championships saying how pro gun he is.

[72 Roo]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

It's in the off topic section.

We could always use more off-topic discussions.

LMFAO! Somehow, I have managed to miss out on some REALLY meaningful discussion on this board. Just today I have come across the great debate on whether football (i.e., "soccer" as Americans call it) is a major sport. There aren't enough in this single universe to express my thoughts on that topic!And now we come to (drum roll, please!) the Great Battle Between Teabaggers and (right-wing) Libertarians. As a founding member of the Hawai'i Green Party, allow me to display my deep hope that Libertarian Anti-Life murderers, and Tea Party Anti-Choice hystericals will come to the mutual conclusion that it is the national Republican Party which seeks to coopt your wise and courageous patriotism, and immediately begin setting up your own party apparatus for the fall, and all succeding election seasons. That will ensure your crazy ideas don't become even more united to the already extreme agenda of the "mainstream" right-wing party in the USA. In any case, best of luck to you -- but I'm willing to bet your parties together won't gain half the votes earned by Ralph Nader in even 2008. Other than that, my sentiments range toward the following send off to your fortunes: Now, as my football (i.e., "soccer" to the haters) crazed friend, 72 Roo would say to my comrade from Wadsworth, of the same name GO ZIPS!BTW '72 -- let's go throw some stones and down some pints!

Z.I.P. .... I think we are experiencing the meltdown of this board when the moderators let politics take over. Personally, I am supporting the beer party whose slogun is a beer at every game. Come to think of it it may be "A beer every hour". That being said my political views will stay with me, but my Zip views will be shared with anyone who will listen. I stand for a NCAA championship in soccer and a football team that our opponents not only fear but respect. My platform includes high hopes for lady Zip basketball, men's basketball, lady soccer, track, ladies tennis, softball and rifle. I claim ignorance at how the other sports will perform, but right now I don't care.So where are you buying?

[Zipmeister]

And this affect Zip athletics how? Oh yea, he's the son of Leonard Paul. Now that's a pedigree! Leonard is still one of the most exciting players I have ever seen in a Zip uniform. Sheeesh. Makes me almost want to talk about curling.

It's in the off topic section.

We could always use more off-topic discussions.

LMFAO! Somehow, I have managed to miss out on some REALLY meaningful discussion on this board. Just today I have come across the great debate on whether football (i.e., "soccer" as Americans call it) is a major sport. There aren't enough in this single universe to express my thoughts on that topic!And now we come to (drum roll, please!) the Great Battle Between Teabaggers and (right-wing) Libertarians. As a founding member of the Hawai'i Green Party, allow me to display my deep hope that Libertarian Anti-Life murderers, and Tea Party Anti-Choice hystericals will come to the mutual conclusion that it is the national Republican Party which seeks to coopt your wise and courageous patriotism, and immediately begin setting up your own party apparatus for the fall, and all succeding election seasons. That will ensure your crazy ideas don't become even more united to the already extreme agenda of the "mainstream" right-wing party in the USA. In any case, best of luck to you -- but I'm willing to bet your parties together won't gain half the votes earned by Ralph Nader in even 2008. Other than that, my sentiments range toward the following send off to your fortunes: Now, as my football (i.e., "soccer" to the haters) crazed friend, 72 Roo would say to my comrade from Wadsworth, of the same name GO ZIPS!BTW '72 -- let's go throw some stones and down some pints!

Z.I.P. .... I think we are experiencing the meltdown of this board when the moderators let politics take over. Personally, I am supporting the beer party whose slogun is a beer at every game. Come to think of it it may be "A beer every hour". That being said my political views will stay with me, but my Zip views will be shared with anyone who will listen. I stand for a NCAA championship in soccer and a football team that our opponents not only fear but respect. My platform includes high hopes for lady Zip basketball, men's basketball, lady soccer, track, ladies tennis, softball and rifle. I claim ignorance at how the other sports will perform, but right now I don't care.So where are you buying?

You and I are so much alike.My hope is to see all the ladies in basketball, soccer, track, tennis softball and rifle in high platform shoes.

[Z.I.P.]

The first time I heard of him was from an Gun Nut up at the NRA National Championships saying how pro gun he is.

Since Congress has passed a law allowing people to carry concealed weapons in national parks, I hope Mr Paul will support our constitutional right to arm bears. That's all in keeping with the First Amendment after all.

[GP1]

Ron Paul would support that view today.Ron Paul and his idiot spawn are pro-death. Same as the moron in the White House.

Can you give us a public statement Paul has given on slavery. Exactly what do you mean by pro-death?

[Zip Watcher]

RP has made the observation that it would have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives saved) if the Union had simply bought all of the slaves from their owners, set them free and then legislated the end of slavery. The war was more costly than the total investment that plantation owners had in their "labor pools."It's not hard to see how some would hear 3 words of his discussion and come to some belief that he thinks slavery was a good thing or something. RP just observes, with the benefit of history, that it would have been better to buy the slaves to end slavery than to have the destructive Civil War.

[zen]

RP has made the observation that it would have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives saved) if the Union had simply bought all of the slaves from their owners, set them free and then legislated the end of slavery. The war was more costly than the total investment that plantation owners had in their "labor pools."It's not hard to see how some would hear 3 words of his discussion and come to some belief that he thinks slavery was a good thing or something. RP just observes, with the benefit of history, that it would have been better to buy the slaves to end slavery than to have the destructive Civil War.

that sort of divisive interpretation is often not as unintentional as it might appear.... but alas, that's politics.Regardless, if that is his theory, I have to ask whether he would have allowed to the south to leave the Union as well, since fighting succession may have had more to do with the war than abolition.

[GP1]

RP has made the observation that it would have been cheaper (both in $$$ and lives saved) if the Union had simply bought all of the slaves from their owners, set them free and then legislated the end of slavery. The war was more costly than the total investment that plantation owners had in their "labor pools."It's not hard to see how some would hear 3 words of his discussion and come to some belief that he thinks slavery was a good thing or something. RP just observes, with the benefit of history, that it would have been better to buy the slaves to end slavery than to have the destructive Civil War.

that sort of divisive interpretation is often not as unintentional as it might appear.... but alas, that's politics.Regardless, if that is his theory, I have to ask whether he would have allowed to the south to leave the Union as well, since fighting succession may have had more to do with the war than abolition.

ZW, thanks for the information. Many have argued this point as well and it is more than theory. Great Britain ended slavery in exactly the same way. The government bought all slaves and freed them at a very low cost of money and lives.zen, the Civil War was about slavery. Many say it was about "states rights", but that is a dodge from reality. The question then becomes, the right to do what? The answer was the right to own slaves. One of the ugly spots on American history is the claim of states rights when people are committing horrible acts against their fellow man. States rights to have slavery. States rights to have segregation. I believe in states rights because it increases the amount of ideas to 50 instead of one, but not when it is used to hold your fellow man down.

[zen]

zen, the Civil War was about slavery. Many say it was about "states rights", but that is a dodge from reality. The question then becomes, the right to do what? The answer was the right to own slaves. One of the ugly spots on American history is the claim of states rights when people are committing horrible acts against their fellow man. States rights to have slavery. States rights to have segregation. I believe in states rights because it increases the amount of ideas to 50 instead of one, but not when it is used to hold your fellow man down.

Understood... however, the question was brought up about how RP would have dealt with slavery, and that was to buy out slave contracts and then make slavery illegal. However, my (quite limited recollection and) assumption was that the civil war was really fought to keep the southern states from succeeding. The reason they wanted succession was to force their right to keep slaves. So, simply declaring slavery illegal would not necessarily have stopped the war (and all the lives and expenses incurred). That was my only point.

[GP1]

zen, the Civil War was about slavery. Many say it was about "states rights", but that is a dodge from reality. The question then becomes, the right to do what? The answer was the right to own slaves. One of the ugly spots on American history is the claim of states rights when people are committing horrible acts against their fellow man. States rights to have slavery. States rights to have segregation. I believe in states rights because it increases the amount of ideas to 50 instead of one, but not when it is used to hold your fellow man down.

Understood... however, the question was brought up about how RP would have dealt with slavery, and that was to buy out slave contracts and then make slavery illegal. However, my (quite limited recollection and) assumption was that the civil war was really fought to keep the southern states from succeeding. The reason they wanted succession was to force their right to keep slaves. So, simply declaring slavery illegal would not necessarily have stopped the war (and all the lives and expenses incurred). That was my only point.

I love Civil War history and could talk about it all day. Southerners saw slaves as property and not people. Most slaves served as farm hands. Property can be sold for the right price and most historians believe the price for purchase would have been much less than the war price. The purchase of the slaves in an agreement to end slavery would have eliminated the cause for succeeding.The really interesting thing about slavery is it still exists. Many countries have sex slaves. In fact, there have been stories in recent years about eastern European girls being brought to the US to serve as sex slaves right under our noses. Some countries around the world even today have slaves similar to what the US used them for in past centuries, as a source of farm labor. In WWII, the Germans used Jews as slaves and forced them to work in factories. It's all very strange.