Make the case for me

[Quickzips]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

[akronzips71]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

[MDZip]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

Zips are clearly better than anyone else in the MAC except Can't and in a one game final (assuming we both make it there - and we should) Zips can still win it. Plus Can't State sometimes wil take a game off and they have a pretty rough road to the final. They take a game off anywhere and they're done.

[GP1]

We do great against DIV II

????????????????????????????????Had too many beers tonight and will not comment until sober. I do have something shattering to say though....If I can only remember it in the AM.Good night my fellow Zips fans.

[Let'sGoZips94]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

Zips are clearly better than anyone else in the MAC except Can't

...and OU. Can I request a "Choke-job" emoticon?

[GoZips88]

As French just said, we went 4-3 down the stretch last year and ran the table in the tourney. We're on the weaker side of the bracket (the MAC West).HOPEFULLY we got our crapfest out of the way. Costs me a day of vacation now and I'm not too happy about that. Will save $$$ since the kids are both in school and/or have after-school responsibilities they can't miss. Will be there and hopefully will have stopped holding my nose by then. Wow - what a disappointing evening tonight.

[zipsbandman]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

[Let'sGoZips94]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't.

Yeah your right. Wrong choice of words there. And you are right about the recruiting. Although, I think next years' class looks more athletic. How about something with a heart ripping? The "heart-ripping" emoticon? WE GOT OUTHEARTED!

[OZoner]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

Zips are clearly better than anyone else in the MAC except Can't

...and OU. Can I request a "Choke-job" emoticon?

Akron is vastly better than Ohio.

[GoZips88]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

Zips are clearly better than anyone else in the MAC except Can't

...and OU. Can I request a "Choke-job" emoticon?

Akron is vastly better than Ohio.

Now you're going Charlie Coles on us OZoner!

[johnnyzip84]

Trust me, I questioned the point of going to the tournament also after getting completely outclassed tonight for the 2nd time this year by that disgusting yellow bunch. But I'm going, because I'm a Zip fan and I won't let anything change that. I suppose we probably have to play EMU again if they get past NIU in Ypsi. That's not a great match-up, so we either get the ship righted quickly, or the suffering will be short and sweet. Either way, I'll keep the Great Lakes flowing

[Zip_ME87]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

I agree with you about recruiting. KD really needs to rethink his position on JUCO transfers...they do not necessarily bring character issues.

[ZippyforPresident]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

It was very disappointing, and at this point I don't think we have a chance. We do great against DIV II and weak Western Div teams. Big deal, that's not going to get us anyplace.But I must say, the shot selection was just so disappointing.

QZ and AZ71' I think you guys need a 24 hour cooling off period. That's typically what I give myself, sometimes 48 hrs if need be, but in this case I'll make the exception. Undoubtedly this team crapped, pissed, blew chunks or whatever else down their leg. Heck, they wilted like pansy flowers in the bright spotlight of what is just about one of the biggest and most hyped games that this particular group has ever played in. Am I pissed off beyond belief, and drowning my sorrows in some way that probably isn't exactly the healthiest of ways? The answer is a reaffirming yes. But did I stick that game out until the very end, as gut wrenching and stomach turning as it was? Yes. Am I going to be there for the Tournament? As long as I still have a pulse you'd better believe it. I'm not going to turn coat like some fair weather suburbanite sissy Can't state fan when the going gets tough. If this ship ends up going down, and that is a big IF, I'm going down with it. As long as my heart keeps beating it's going to be pumping blue and gold blood through my veins. And as long as my lungs still pull air, it's getting pushed right back out screaming myself hoarse and voiceless for OUR cause. We got knocked down bigtime today, but I ain't quitting and neither is this team. It's time to collectively brush ourselves off, get back up and give everything until there's nothing left. I know this spiel seems like quite the "cowboy" routine, but I'll be damned if I'm gonna let those sissy frat boy mongoloids get the best of me and my city/school/alma mater.Burn in hell Can't, You'd better bring everything March 13th because you're going to need every ounce.Zips don't quit, Z4P

[RootforRoo44]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

[zipsbandman]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

[Valpo Zip]

Because I'm seriously considering skipping the tournament after that uninspired crapfest. If that is how this team is going to continue to perform in big games, why should I bother? So make the case for me, is there a reason to go up to the tournament?

Wait till tomorrow QuickZips, lots of people will come here telling you that you are a bandwagonner and you're a shame to fanhood. I can't wait to hear the argument that we should be happy and thankful because KD's teams are better than Hipshers'

[ZippyforPresident]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

Ummmm... Yes they completely choked. Not sure where you get this bizarre kant state recruiting advantage from. We've got the same "level" of mac "players" as we've had for the past five years and then some. And I'm not sure where you get this "taller" idea from, except for maybe our back court, but this loss has nothing to do with our shorter, quicker back court players. We've got all the size and athleticism up front that we want against some team like pansy frat boy state. From what I've seen over the years is that THIS particular Zips teams gets a lot more rattled than those teams we had a few years back. It just seems to me like when this team gets the screws tightened against them every guy that gets the ball feels like he NEEDS to make a play. That's completely wrong, Akron is based around the team concept, they need to TRUST THE SYSTEM and play the team basketball that Coach Dambrot has laid out for them. I know we have a deep offensive playbook but in order for it all to work we need every single player firing like pistons in a row, exactly where and when they are supposed to fire, the complete team game, in order to put any "legitimate" competition in their place. Didn't happen tonight, adrenaline and bravado got in the way of the "business" that the Zips usually conduct. Make the pass, find the open player, Kant give a Sh*t U is no different than anyone else in this conference. Execute the game plan without the jitters or nervousness that goes along with the spotlight and this team can hand it to anybody in the conference, it's been done before in the Dambrot era and can easily be done again, just TRUST THE SYSTEM AND PLAY TEAM BASKETBALL, BECAUSE YOU GUYS REALLY ARE BETTER THAN KANDY-AS$ STATE UNIVERSITY.. Just play TEAM AKRON basketball. We saw it against Texas A&M for god's sake, can't read U is NOT better than Texas A&M.. Just trust yourselves guys, you've got it as long as you want it.

[RootforRoo44]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

You love quoting every article you read...that's all i've learned.Did you watch the game? We played like garbage, to give them credit for beating us is absurd. If we play our game and play with a little heart i dont think the outcome would be the same.

[InTheZone]

who really gives a shit if we win the MAC tournament, I think we've had enough experience this year with even POS teams outside our conference like VCU to know we'd just get the living hell kicked out of us in the first round of the dance....

[dbrenner]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

Ummmm... Yes they completely choked. Not sure where you get this bizarre kant state recruiting advantage from. We've got the same "level" of mac "players" as we've had for the past five years and then some. And I'm not sure where you get this "taller" idea from, except for maybe our back court, but this loss has nothing to do with our shorter, quicker back court players. We've got all the size and athleticism up front that we want against some team like pansy frat boy state. From what I've seen over the years is that THIS particular Zips teams gets a lot more rattled than those teams we had a few years back. It just seems to me like when this team gets the screws tightened against them every guy that gets the ball feels like he NEEDS to make a play. That's completely wrong, Akron is based around the team concept, they need to TRUST THE SYSTEM and play the team basketball that Coach Dambrot has laid out for them. I know we have a deep offensive playbook but in order for it all to work we need every single player firing like pistons in a row, exactly where and when they are supposed to fire, the complete team game, in order to put any "legitimate" competition in their place. Didn't happen tonight, adrenaline and bravado got in the way of the "business" that the Zips usually conduct. Make the pass, find the open player, Kant give a Sh*t U is no different than anyone else in this conference. Execute the game plan without the jitters or nervousness that goes along with the spotlight and this team can hand it to anybody in the conference, it's been done before in the Dambrot era and can easily be done again, just TRUST THE SYSTEM AND PLAY TEAM BASKETBALL, BECAUSE YOU GUYS REALLY ARE BETTER THAN KANDY-AS$ STATE UNIVERSITY.. Just play TEAM AKRON basketball. We saw it against Texas A&M for god's sake, can't read U is NOT better than Texas A&M.. Just trust yourselves guys, you've got it as long as you want it.

Degrade all you want. Your players are inferior. It shouldn't be hard for you to see this. I am not even trying to be funny. Nik and Marshall could be pretty good down the road, but guys like McNees, McNights, even Bardo (if he had played) are outclassed. From an overall basketball standpoint, they are not in the basketball class of guys like Singletary, Simpson, Greene, and Sherman.

[wadszip]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

I agree 100 percent. The game of basketball isn't all about athleticism, but give me athletic guys who can play over scrappy, average athletic guys who may be a little more skilled.any day of the week ... Though I actually think Can't is also more skilled as well.One thing in both the games I have noticed that hasn't really been brought up is how well Can't's big guys finish around the rim. That has been an ongoing problem at Akron Nik, C. McKnight and Zeke all have trouble finishing. Hell, even Jeremiah Wood would blow 3-4 bunnies a game around the rim, and he was arguably the Zips' best low-post player in the Dambrot era.I'll try to look on the bright side, and this pains me to say it, but I think Can't will be a dangerous team if they get in the tourney. I could see them getting a 10-12 seed and making a run at the Sweet 16. So this was loss was against a very good team, but it still doesn't change the fact that once again Akron was outclassed on national TV. The worst thing for me is I was telling some of my friend's from out of state who know nothing about the rivalry about the game and how they should tune in because it will be a great game between two "good" bitter rivals. I don't know how I'm going to explain what happened to them. I guess all I can say is Can't is the far superior team.

[ZippyforPresident]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

I think you're right about the reason that we beat these guys last year, they (Can't) did not have their heads on straight. That's the problem with The Zips this year. It's mental. If you think that Can't has some sort of insane recruiting advantage to more "athletic" players you're absolutely insane. We are in the same conference, in exactly the same region, competing for the same recruits (if anyone thinks that Geno freaking Ford is going to out scout or out recruit Keith Dambrot you have to be residing in an insane asylum). We basically won the superbowl with getting Zeke this year, just wait until things start slowing down for him, no one will have an answer for a 7'1 or 2" kid that knows the game, because he is more of an "athlete" than anyone in this conference. The difference tonight came down to a bunch of jack@ss seniors on Can't State's team who have some retarded sense of entitlement compared to a Zips team that was too young and too nervous to execute their gameplan... and if you're going to tell me that Anthony Simpson is that much more of an "athlete" than Chris McKnight you're just about off your rocker.Point is, Can't played their game and stayed glued to their gameplan, we didn't. Take it for what it's worth.

[hafner4430]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

Dont worry, they may be able to beat us in the regular season, but wait till the mac tourney. We will win when it actually counts. It looked like our players just didnt care out there tonight. The one player that showed heart was Cvetinovic. He cant win the game by himself. If everyone would start playing like he does, we would be the best team in the mac by far!Can't Statecks!!!!!!We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

I think you're right about the reason that we beat these guys last year. They did not have their heads on straight. That's the problem with The Zips this year. It's mental. If you think that Can't has some sort of insane recruiting advantage to more "athletic" players you're absolutely insane. We are in the same conference, in the same region competing for the same recruits. And we basically won the superbowl with getting Zeke this year, just wait until things start slowing down for him, no one will have an answer for it because he is more of an "athlete" than anyone in this conference. The difference tonight came down to a bunch of jack@ss seniors on Can't State's team who have some retarded sense of entitlement compared to a Zips team that was too young and too nervous to execute their gameplan... and if you're going to tell me that Anthony Simpson is that much more of an "athlete" than Chris McKnight you're just about off your rocker.Point is, Can't played their game and stayed glued to their gameplan, we didn't. Take it for what it's worth.

[zipsbandman]

Well that's $15.00 I'll never get back.....anyway.....Choke? I completely disagree. We were beat by a taller, quicker team tonight. They were all over us and forced us into rushing our three's. The type of player we are recruiting is not going to cut it. Next years class looks more like the same to me. I would not even be disappointed if this team does not see the finals because no adjustment in the world is going to address our personnel issues. And if anybody thinks Can't will take the night off against their arch-rival they are gravely mistaken. I'm sick of being the little engine that could every year, but this is getting embarrassing the way we play Can't. We're laying enough eggs this year to make the easter bunny jealous. Can we please stop griping about attendance now?

You are nuts...that was a CHOKE through and through. We crapped down our leg and beat ourselves with terrible play. How many offensive rebounds did Can't get and score points off of?Uninspired basketball like that will insure that even next year they will struggle to get ANYONE at the game.I'm embarrassed and every Zip should be as well.

We'll agree to disagree then.....but you can't ignore our performance against more athletic teams this year.....actually it's been ugly. How many dunks did we have tonight? How about Can't? You mention rebounds but don't you think athletic ability plays a little part in that? You can point out our shooting percentage, but our shots were being contested. Any three pointer we took was rushed. You can cite turnovers, but again Can't has longer, quicker guards and they were clogging the passing lanes. There were a lot of tipped passes tonight. We were afraid to move the ball around and settled for terrible shots. Then you figure Can't has three to four guys on the floor at any given time who could beat you. Tonight it was Simpson who killed us. The reason we beat these guys last year is that they still didn't have their heads screwed on right. To Geno's credit, he's got his guys playing together and now they are wreaking havoc on the conference with their raw talent and athleticism. It seems that we don't have an answer for this team, and that worried me even before the game. Just saying....

I think you're right about the reason that we beat these guys last year. They did not have their heads on straight. That's the problem with The Zips this year. It's mental. If you think that Can't has some sort of insane recruiting advantage to more "athletic" players you're absolutely insane. We are in the same conference, in the same region competing for the same recruits. And we basically won the superbowl with getting Zeke this year, just wait until things start slowing down for him, no one will have an answer for it because he is more of an "athlete" than anyone in this conference. The difference tonight came down to a bunch of jack@ss seniors on Can't State's team who have some retarded sense of entitlement compared to a Zips team that was too young and too nervous to execute their gameplan... and if you're going to tell me that Anthony Simpson is that much more of an "athlete" than Chris McKnight you're just about off your rocker.Point is, Can't played their game and stayed glued to their gameplan, we didn't. Take it for what it's worth.

Can't does NOT have a recruiting advantage over us. That's not what I'm saying. All I can see is that they employ a much different strategy in recruiting than we do. Why not get a mixture of high school and JUCO recruits? I think it's a valid question to be asked. KD is dead against JUCO's and I don't understand why. His team is getting rolled by a bunch of JUCO's. Why does Can't keep winning with all the coaching turnover they had and guys that go in and out of the program? Like you said, they're not much different than we are right? I just think KD is one of the best, if not the best coach in this conference and with better personnel we can get to the level he envisions for this program. He knows how to get the most out of his players, but at the end of the day it's the players on the court that decide the game.

[ZippyforPresident]

I don't think "rolled by a bunch of jucos" is completely correct. Geno has 3 HS guys entering next year and 2 Junior College boys. I think as far as PF's, Keith has outdone Geno big time by getting Dakotah Euton (Dakotah is a 6'8" bullseye shooter as compared to geno's 6'6" Juco DeAndre Nealy. I'll take Dakotah all day in that battle. Can't also has a HS kid Knight at 6'6" they've recruited as a power forward, and once again I think we're getting better talent at that position.) At this point I think that our front court is stacked with a bunch of size and will be able to hang with nearly anyone in the nation. But it's the back court that gets those guys going and really makes things go in the MAC and we need to get some guards with size back there... Not knocking our "smaller" guys but we need some slashers for Zeke. Zeke is going to make it all go, so we need to surround him with what he needs. (i.e. outside guys that can slash and just throw darts, thus spreading things out). Despite his size I think Humpty absolutely has that ability. That kid is a big time athlete. I don't think you're wrong for asking that question though. Can't does exercize the JUCO option and we have not gone that route, although I've heard Coach D say that he was not totally in opposition to taking a JUCO player. But I do think that Dakotah and Egner will easily "athletically" compete with the "JUCO" stuff that Crap bag State U has coming in. Although they do have a few more scholarships to offer than the Zips do.Screw off frat boy state.Go Zips,Z4P