Nicely article...

[xu9697]

http://www.news-herald.com/articles/2010/0...s/nh2274236.txt

While I am all for competition, I don't see any way in the world Rodgers beats out Nicely. I think there might be some nice spots for Rodgers to get some reps in, but Nicely looked to have that "it" that QBs need to have.

I think, behind closed doors, Coach Ianallo, Powlus, etc. know that we have a very nice (ly) starting QB on this team.

[Dr Z]

PN16 is your QB. Nice job by Mark Podolski at the News Herald getting video interviews with Rob & Ron!

[MDZip]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

[skip-zip]

Just to be realistic here...and use up some of my lunchtime....

We had our #2 QB get a little playing time last year, before the injury. We also had our #3 QB for about 2/3 of the season. That's a good situation to be in for a coach. Why wouldn't we want to see where they both are at this point? And see what the best situation is to win games?

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice. The truth is, these things take some time to play out. And please drop the "his arm strength appears to be better" factor from the equation. You only need to compare the success of Bernie Kosar vs. Derek Anderson to decide how that affects a guy's ability to make plays.

Rodgers gives us some things we really could have used in the last 2/3 of last season, such as his ability to make plays out of nothing, and his downfield running ability. And even though he saw limited action, his completion percentage is the better of the two QBs, and may have improved more with experience. But like some of you, I also do have questions about his poise and decision making.

Nicely appeared to be better, mechanically. And his size seems to give him some advantages as a pocket passer. But other than a couple of games we played against bad teams with him at the controls, we struggled to score. And he also threw his share of bonehead passes that were picked, or should have been intercepted.

As much as I hate to say it, because I usually feel that it's not the right way to go, I can understand why our coach might be considering a platoon situation to make best use of what he has in these two guys.

[Dr Z]

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice. The truth is, these things take some time to play out. And please drop the "his arm strength appears to be better" factor from the equation.

I've watched enough of Rodgers and enough or PN16 to know that our starting QB will be PN16. I've been on the PN16 bandwagon since the first time I saw him throw at PSU.

PS I'm not even sure Rodgers will be #2 when all is said and done.

[xu9697]

Just to be realistic here...and use up some of my lunchtime....

We had our #2 QB get a little playing time last year, before the injury. We also had our #3 QB for about 2/3 of the season. That's a good situation to be in for a coach. Why wouldn't we want to see where they both are at this point? And see what the best situation is to win games?

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice.

In this case, we have at least a sample (not huge, of course) of viewing Rodgers v. Nicely in game action. Rodgers was thrown into a bad situation, no doubt. But, you can just see it with Nicely. I never thought he would look as good as he did so soon. Throw out the stats..the kid just looks like a QB, and a darn good one.

If Rodgers comes out and beats him, I will be somewhat surprised, somewhat impressed, and at least a little bit concerned about our coaching staff (and their decisions).

[ZachTheZip]

Nicely will win the starting position. I'll be shocked if he doesn't.

Rodgers is enough of a threat running to use him in a wildcat formation occasionally, which also gives him playing time so he's better prepared in the event that Nicely goes down.

But don't forget, we also have two recruits coming in with the ability to play QB.

[skip-zip]

As you could see from my post, I wasn't endorsing one or the other. I was just making the point that I can understand why the coach wants to see what he has with both of them, and sees the possibility of playing both of them, depending on the situation and their skills.

[Zipmeister]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

[g-mann17]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

State Qualifier in the High jump would indicate the height advantage of a 6'4 receiver would be negligible as well.

[GoZips]

Just to be realistic here...and use up some of my lunchtime....

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice. The truth is, these things take some time to play out. And please drop the "his arm strength appears to be better" factor from the equation. You only need to compare the success of Bernie Kosar vs. Derek Anderson to decide how that affects a guy's ability to make plays.

skip, there is a reason that many folks, me included, switched to the Nicely camp after clamoring

for Rodgers to play. Once Matt Rodgers was exposed to actual game speed he was simply overwhelmed.

Frankly, the game was way too fast for him. Matt showed no sighs of catching up. Pat Nicely stepped

up and delivered right out of the box. There was plenty of talk at Spring practice that Nicely (still in HS)

was better than CJ or MR. Truth is, he is.

[Zipmeister]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

State Qualifier in the High jump would indicate the height advantage of a 6'4 receiver would be negligible as well.

YES. All we have to do is get their 6'4" guy to agree not to jump and we got it covered.

[dreal1scout]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

State Qualifier in the High jump would indicate the height advantage of a 6'4 receiver would be negligible as well.

YES. All we have to do is get their 6'4" guy to agree not to jump and we got it covered.

Just hearsay. Don't shoot the messenger But.... I hear that Randy and the Tonganator been hanging out and that Randy was given some kind of secret herbal med that he's been rubbin on his hands. Not to worry... Randy's now got some MH big enough to pull down any of PN16's throws anywhere in the vicintiy. We got this corner covered. GO ZIPS

[akron football]

PN16 is your QB. Nice job by Mark Podolski at the News Herald getting video interviews with Rob & Ron!

no more PN16 it's PN7

[dreal1scout]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

State Qualifier in the High jump would indicate the height advantage of a 6'4 receiver would be negligible as well.

YES. All we have to do is get their 6'4" guy to agree not to jump and we got it covered.

Just hearsay. Don't shoot the messenger But.... I hear that Randy and the Tonganator been hanging out and that Randy was given some kind of secret herbal med that he's been rubbin on his hands. Not to worry... Randy's now got some MH big enough to pull down any of PN16's throws anywhere in the vicintiy. We got this corner covered. GO ZIPS

My bad - I thought Randy was gonna be moved to WR. So sue me!

QUOTE(ZachTheZip @ Mar 24 2010, 02:04 AM) Randy Greenwood is moving from Safety to Corner. I think it's a more natural position for him.

He came is as a highly touted WR...

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Half Buck

[Zipmeister]

Interesting note at the end, as Randy Greenwood has apparently been switched to conerback. I am afraid this may disapppoint the Zipmesiter as Randy is listed at 5' 10".

On the contrary, no disappointment here. Unlike the impact of moving the college basketball 3 point line back a foot and its dramatic effect on mid major programs, the difference between a 5'10" (if that's really how tall he is) cornerback and a 5'7" cornerback in covering a 6'4" receiver is negligible.

State Qualifier in the High jump would indicate the height advantage of a 6'4 receiver would be negligible as well.

YES. All we have to do is get their 6'4" guy to agree not to jump and we got it covered.

Just hearsay. Don't shoot the messenger But.... I hear that Randy and the Tonganator been hanging out and that Randy was given some kind of secret herbal med that he's been rubbin on his hands. Not to worry... Randy's now got some MH big enough to pull down any of PN16's throws anywhere in the vicintiy. We got this corner covered. GO ZIPS

My bad - I thought Randy was gonna be moved to WR. So sue me!

QUOTE(ZachTheZip @ Mar 24 2010, 02:04 AM) Randy Greenwood is moving from Safety to Corner. I think it's a more natural position for him.

He came is as a highly touted WR...

--------------------

Half Buck

Either way, let's hope Randy hasn't been hanging with the Tonganator too much. I'd like to see Randy play this year.

[skip-zip]

Just to be realistic here...and use up some of my lunchtime....

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice. The truth is, these things take some time to play out. And please drop the "his arm strength appears to be better" factor from the equation. You only need to compare the success of Bernie Kosar vs. Derek Anderson to decide how that affects a guy's ability to make plays.

skip, there is a reason that many folks, me included, switched to the Nicely camp after clamoring

for Rodgers to play. Once Matt Rodgers was exposed to actual game speed he was simply overwhelmed.

Frankly, the game was way too fast for him. Matt showed no sighs of catching up. Pat Nicely stepped

up and delivered right out of the box. There was plenty of talk at Spring practice that Nicely (still in HS)

was better than CJ or MR. Truth is, he is.

I actually agree with some of what you are saying, especially as it pertains to Matt.

But, I am curious about a couple of things. You say that Pat "delivered right out of the box". What sold you on this conclusion more? His 9 of 23 performance against Ohio? Or, his 11 of 27 performance against NIU? And I sure hope that his high school playoff performance in which his offense put NO points on the board was ignored if anyone truly thought he was ready to be a D1 starter.

After the Central Michigan game (Matt's last start), we never scored over 20 points again the rest of the season, with the exception of two home games against two of the worst teams in the MAC. That's also not going to help give me the impression that we somehow found answers to our offensive woes over the last 8 games with Pat at the helm.

Sorry...I was a long way away from any thought that "we've found our QB" after last season. I'm not sold on either of them, and really was hoping that our new coach had brought in a transfer QB with him.

I just sure hope that one, or both of them, has made some good progress during the off season.

[Captain Kangaroo]

PN7 is - The Man.

MR5 is a super kid. He'll be successful in whatever he does in life. But he's the #2 QB on this team.

PN7 is - The Man.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Sorry...I was a long way away from any thought that "we've found our QB" after last season. I'm not sold on either of them, and really was hoping that our new coach had brought in a transfer QB with him.

I just sure hope that one, or both of them, has made some good progress during the off season.

If we get better offensive line play this season, and SOMEONE produces out of the backfield, PN7 will rule in 2010.

His only major flaw is ball security...he holds the ball loosely when he runs, and subsequently fumbles too much. That should be easy to fix.

[Dr Z]

His only major flaw is ball security...he holds the ball loosely when he runs, and subsequently fumbles too much. That should be easy to fix.

From today's Gaffney article:

Quarterback Patrick Nicely, who started the last seven games in 2009 in place of the injured Matt Rodgers, took the majority of the snaps and had a high number of fumbles on the center exchanges.

The defense recovered several of the fumbles and also had some interceptions, which brought mixed feelings from Ianello.

''I liked that the defense had some takeaways, but I didn't like that the offense had turnovers,'' Ianello said.

Ianello has been emphasizing the importance of spring practice because he is going to base his player assessments on what he and the staff observes, not what happened in the past.

[xu9697]

PN7 is - The Man.

MR5 is a super kid. He'll be successful in whatever he does in life. But he's the #2 QB on this team.

PN7 is - The Man.

PN7..I was like, who is that?

Had no idea he changed his number. I am a dork, but I like the single digit numbers for a QB..makes them look faster!!!

As for the article..2 pictures?!?!?

C'mon, ABJ..coverage getting better, but how about 8 to 10 pics. I am craving some football!!!

[Zipmeister]

PN7 is - The Man.

MR5 is a super kid. He'll be successful in whatever he does in life. But he's the #2 QB on this team.

PN7 is - The Man.

PN7..I was like, who is that?

Had no idea he changed his number. I am a dork, but I like the single digit numbers for a QB..makes them look faster!!!

As for the article..2 pictures?!?!?

C'mon, ABJ..coverage getting better, but how about 8 to 10 pics. I am craving some football!!!

I think we should change the numbers on most of our defensive backs to make them look taller.

[akron football]

Just to be realistic here...and use up some of my lunchtime....

What concerns me about many of the comments I've read on this board is that some of the people who were clamoring for Rodgers to start over Jac are the same people who now feel that his backup is now the clear-cut choice. The truth is, these things take some time to play out. And please drop the "his arm strength appears to be better" factor from the equation. You only need to compare the success of Bernie Kosar vs. Derek Anderson to decide how that affects a guy's ability to make plays.

skip, there is a reason that many folks, me included, switched to the Nicely camp after clamoring

for Rodgers to play. Once Matt Rodgers was exposed to actual game speed he was simply overwhelmed.

Frankly, the game was way too fast for him. Matt showed no sighs of catching up. Pat Nicely stepped

up and delivered right out of the box. There was plenty of talk at Spring practice that Nicely (still in HS)

was better than CJ or MR. Truth is, he is.

I actually agree with some of what you are saying, especially as it pertains to Matt.

But, I am curious about a couple of things. You say that Pat "delivered right out of the box". What sold you on this conclusion more? His 9 of 23 performance against Ohio? Or, his 11 of 27 performance against NIU? And I sure hope that his high school playoff performance in which his offense put NO points on the board was ignored if anyone truly thought he was ready to be a D1 starter.

After the Central Michigan game (Matt's last start), we never scored over 20 points again the rest of the season, with the exception of two home games against two of the worst teams in the MAC. That's also not going to help give me the impression that we somehow found answers to our offensive woes over the last 8 games with Pat at the helm.

Sorry...I was a long way away from any thought that "we've found our QB" after last season. I'm not sold on either of them, and really was hoping that our new coach had brought in a transfer QB with him.

I just sure hope that one, or both of them, has made some good progress during the off season.

First of all the last I checked the media guide has his name is Patrick not Pat as for the 9 for 23 Ohio game can you spell dropped passes and wrong routes and a terrible special team, and the 11 for 23 NIU game was winning going into the fourth and a dropped TD pass to Dashan to go up big and as for High School come on hater.

[GP1]

If we get better offensive line play this season, and SOMEONE produces out of the backfield, PN7 will rule in 2010.

I was sold on PN as well last year. He also needs a little better accuracy.

I know we don't know what we have right now, but we do know the MAC stinks. We also know one really good QB in the MAC can make or break a team. I think we have that one really good QB.

The Great GP1 remains bullish on this football team.

[cornbread]

If we get better offensive line play this season, and SOMEONE produces out of the backfield, PN7 will rule in 2010.

I was sold on PN as well last year. He also needs a little better accuracy.

I know we don't know what we have right now, but we do know the MAC stinks. We also know one really good QB in the MAC can make or break a team. I think we have that one really good QB.

The Great GP1 remains bullish on this football team.

I do not think an over .500 season is out of the question.

• O-Line is experienced at least, while not highly regarded
  
• 4-3 will be better against the run
  
• Young team