Do You Support Obama's Healthcare Legislation?

[InTheZone]

Might as well inject some politics into this dead section of the board. So where does the Zipsnation stand on the hottest political issue of the day?

[skip-zip]

Might as well inject some politics into this dead section of the board. So where does the Zipsnation stand on the hottest political issue of the day?

Is there an "absolutely not" option?

[GP1]

A step in the wrong direction. However, it is one of many wrong steps since that liberal George HW Bush was elected in 1988. Bill Clinton made the Bush presidents look Marxist. George W. Bush drove the country to the edge of the cliff and Obama is going to drive the country over the cliff.

Even Paul Krugman had a difficult time in the NY Times this morning trying to explain how the country is going to get out of trouble. He seems to be all in with healthcare reform being a huge money saver but really has no further solutions. After WWII, the country inflated it's way out of debt, but there was enormous growth so the debt became less of a percet of GDP. Inflation today would require increasing interest rates, which would decrease growth and actually make paying down the debt more expensive...couple that with a president who is in favor of anti-growth policies (higher taxes and more regulation) and protecting government employees at all costs, we have huge problems. Krugman seems to believe we will not become the next Greece, but there are few examples of countries who got out of financial problems by inflating their way out of them.

The last couple of years are just the start of what is going to be a long recovery for the USA. The country just doesn't have the stomach to make difficult decisions.

Required reading by everyone on this board should be: "End the Fed" by Ron Paul.

[zip37]

No place for 'HELL NO!'

[RootforRoo44]

lol wow, i guess it proves that Zips fans are intelligent people.

You post this on Can't State's forum (if you can call it that) and you get the exact opposite results, as well as option 4 "Too high to answer".

[RowdyZip]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

[Dr Z]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

It's in 'off topic...' section. And it is...off topic.

I'm amazed that anybody can have such an opinion/understanding of the economic ramifications of a 2800 pg health care bill. Good for you guys. I have a hard enough time figuring out what kind of offense our basketball team runs. I'm really looking forward to the ZN debate on religion in next months poll entitled 'Religion, Which One is Right'.

[GP1]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

[Z.I.P.]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

[GP1]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

Just go build a barn....and take a bath for crying out loud, it's Saturday.

[GoZips]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

Well put, Paradise Z.I.P.

Probbably most readers on ZN do not know that the term "English" is what the Amish call the rest of us.

As for the Amish, this Catholic boy is thinking declaring himself Amish to get out of the insane Obamacare

non-heathcare system.

[GP1]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

Well put, Paradise Z.I.P.

Probbably most readers on ZN do not know that the term "English" is what the Amish call the rest of us.

As for the Amish, this Catholic boy is thinking declaring himself Amish to get out of the insane Obamacare

non-heathcare system.

That's all well and good, but let's see how fast that horse and buggy get you to the hospital when there is an emergency.

[g-mann17]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

Well put, Paradise Z.I.P.

Probbably most readers on ZN do not know that the term "English" is what the Amish call the rest of us.

As for the Amish, this Catholic boy is thinking declaring himself Amish to get out of the insane Obamacare

non-heathcare system.

That's all well and good, but let's see how fast that horse and buggy get you to the hospital when there is an emergency.

Pretty sure God will heal them.

[Z.I.P.]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Says you. English!

Well put, Paradise Z.I.P.

Probbably most readers on ZN do not know that the term "English" is what the Amish call the rest of us.

As for the Amish, this Catholic boy is thinking declaring himself Amish to get out of the insane Obamacare

non-heathcare system.

That's all well and good, but let's see how fast that horse and buggy get you to the hospital when there is an emergency.

Pretty sure God will heal them.

I thought that was Pentecostals.

[Zipmeister]

'Religion, Which One is Right'.

It's certainly not the Amish.

Don't get me started on the Amish again. Them nasty no good for nothing low accounts and their dictatorial "limit of two per household" Heatalator policy. I don't care if the cabinets are free - it's a conspiracy.

Oh, and put me down for a yes vote on the Obama health care plan. I'm already paying for about a hundred other people's mortgages. I still have money left so I might as well pay for their medical expenses too.

[cornbread]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

It's in 'off topic...' section. And it is...off topic.

I'm amazed that anybody can have such an opinion/understanding of the economic ramifications of a 2800 pg health care bill. Good for you guys. I have a hard enough time figuring out what kind of offense our basketball team runs. I'm really looking forward to the ZN debate on religion in next months poll entitled 'Religion, Which One is Right'.

I think it is a good step. Health care should be and now is a right.

Sorry you rich people had your taxes go up. Sucks. But at least now that everyone will be forced to be covered, the insurance industry will concentrate on controlling costs to profit and not finding more ways to screw you out of medical care.

[UA Fan]

It had to happen. The current "system" is untenable. Too many people lack access to affordable health care. Even the U.S. has to evolve (like all other developed nations) beyond throwing people under the bus for the sake of insurance company profits. We will get used to it, as we have with Social Security, Medicare, Interstate highways, etc.

[meatwad]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

It's in 'off topic...' section. And it is...off topic.

I'm amazed that anybody can have such an opinion/understanding of the economic ramifications of a 2800 pg health care bill. Good for you guys. I have a hard enough time figuring out what kind of offense our basketball team runs. I'm really looking forward to the ZN debate on religion in next months poll entitled 'Religion, Which One is Right'.

I think it is a good step. Health care should be and now is a right.

Sorry you rich people had your taxes go up. Sucks. But at least now that everyone will be forced to be covered, the insurance industry will concentrate on controlling costs to profit and not finding more ways to screw you out of medical care.

You know what I'm sorry about? I'm not rich, so my "taxes" didn't go up. But it is an objective fact that everyone that currently has health insurance will see their premiums go up. That sucks the big one considering how crazy costs already are.

[cornbread]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

It's in 'off topic...' section. And it is...off topic.

I'm amazed that anybody can have such an opinion/understanding of the economic ramifications of a 2800 pg health care bill. Good for you guys. I have a hard enough time figuring out what kind of offense our basketball team runs. I'm really looking forward to the ZN debate on religion in next months poll entitled 'Religion, Which One is Right'.

I think it is a good step. Health care should be and now is a right.

Sorry you rich people had your taxes go up. Sucks. But at least now that everyone will be forced to be covered, the insurance industry will concentrate on controlling costs to profit and not finding more ways to screw you out of medical care.

You know what I'm sorry about? I'm not rich, so my "taxes" didn't go up. But it is an objective fact that everyone that currently has health insurance will see their premiums go up. That sucks the big one considering how crazy costs already are.

Yeah. It sucks. Overall the companies have to play nice, or they can be left out of the pool that will end up covering everyone. That is considered a pretty profitable pool(mostly it skews to be young w/ little health issues).

In the end, and this is an admittedly bad argument... it is just money. They print more of it everyday. You may not personally know anyone who ends up getting their healthcare from this bill, but the ones who do all have families and friends, jobs, spouses, kids, etc. This is the only way of getting everyone healthcare in the current political environment.

I agree the way of funding it is not the best choice. There are solutions to the left and the right of what Obama did. But they did get done what needed to be done.

As far as your premiums go, from what I read, they should stop going up at the current rate of increase. They will still go up but the increase should be lower than the rate of inflation after everyone is covered in 2014. With everyone in the system, including all the healthy people that didn't have ins in the past, risk can be more evenly spread.

my 0.03 cents

[Zipmeister]

I firmly support this thread being removed from Zipsnation!

It's in 'off topic...' section. And it is...off topic.

I'm amazed that anybody can have such an opinion/understanding of the economic ramifications of a 2800 pg health care bill. Good for you guys. I have a hard enough time figuring out what kind of offense our basketball team runs. I'm really looking forward to the ZN debate on religion in next months poll entitled 'Religion, Which One is Right'.

I think it is a good step. Health care should be and now is a right.

Sorry you rich people had your taxes go up. Sucks. But at least now that everyone will be forced to be covered, the insurance industry will concentrate on controlling costs to profit and not finding more ways to screw you out of medical care.

You know what I'm sorry about? I'm not rich, so my "taxes" didn't go up. But it is an objective fact that everyone that currently has health insurance will see their premiums go up. That sucks the big one considering how crazy costs already are.

Good news, you won't have to be sorry for long; you don't have to be rich for your taxes to be increasing in 2010.