I saw what I expected

[Lee Adams]

Toledo fan here who wanted to check out Infocision stadium,which is impressive in every way. Hope you guys can build a program that can sell that place out... Also, the campus with all the sport facilities has to be the best in the conference. Really impressed...

Looks like both our offenses are that bad...offensive line and your quarterback need significant improvement. Not sure about your depth at quarterback, but Nicely needs a lot of work done. Also, didn't seem like your receivers tried to get open.

Good luck rest of the way...if Toledo played you guys, the final score would be 3-2. What's sad is that I couldn't pick a winner...

you related to Ed who works in Canton?

[Lee Adams]

My two cents:

- This team was not prepared. There is no excuse for 10 penalties, 4 of which were for illegal formation. Inexcusable.

- The defense is improved. Our LB's are too small except for Wagner. They could not plug holes or drive ballcarriers back.

- Our safeties are not up to D1 standards. Province was repeatedly beaten and Richmond had cover issues too.

- Our offensive play calling made Cuse look good. Latina and Powlus need to be removed if that is the best they have. There was no imagination, deception or attacking SU where they didn't expect. With the D-line rush coming so hard was there ever a screen, draw or counter? How about an end around? These guys are showing signs of not being able to take what the D gives you and keep them guessing. They let this team down.

- For as good as this coaching staff was supposed to be, I saw no element of the team "coached up". No one seemed better because of the staff. If there was improvement I didn't see it over JD's staff. These guys were supposed to make a difference.

- Our O line sucks. Don't give me that crap they are veteran because they are still poor. They can't drive block, they aren't mobile, they can't hold their blocks and they can't open holes.

- Attendance next week will be little more than 10,000.

- The team shop was nice and full when I was there, but the merchandising is weak. There were no imaginative golf shirts, jackets, T's or sweatshirts. The same old stuff. No reason to spend your money, which I wanted to do.

- We are 7-10 years away from building a program that will dominate the MAC. Until then the crowds will be like they were today because Joe Public knows good football and we don't play it or have any winning tradition.

- I don't want Ianello's head, but I do want him to fix the problem. Right now we are headed to a 4-8 or 5-7 season with Can't being the better program. That should make anyone sick.

This post sums up my assessment exactly. Two biggest weaknesses - receiving corps and defensive secondary.

first i'm really surprised that the realists have come out...there is a whole bunch not to like about that game...what really continues to jump out is that even when playing a middling big east team like syracuse,the difference in the overall talent level between that team and akron is painfully evident..if akron was starting a bunch of fros/sophs that would be one thing... those were a lot of jrs/srs on the field...look out when you hit the sec and big ten...we all know its only one game and the first game so lets stop about firing the coaches its too late to change that part of the equation...it was obvious the staff did not have the team prepared to play generally especially on offense...its obvious that Nicely,and i love the guy, is really gonna have a hard time under center...he can't see the field and missed some open receivers...the coaches ran him more out of the gun in the 2nd which means they see it too...but he IS slow..not that it mattered with the way the offensive line trashed themselves...those guys especially the left side were awful...its hard to tell about the running game because the o-line was so bad but i'm afraid alex allen may not have the extra gear he used to have...burney will help but he can't pound all the time...the defense is what it is...the safeties are awful right now..the corners are small and continue to have trouble with bigger receivers...minimal pressure on the qb w/o loads of blitzes...the coaches didn't help much with some of the play calling particularly when akron got the ball deep in the cuse end with over 2 minutes to play and 3 TO/s..all of a sudden they decide the have to throw the ball three times...not a run attempt...i get the feeling the staff does not have a handle on what they have in the way of palyer's abilities yet....better hope for good weather this year otherwise attendance will be...how much worse can it get?

there's always next week...oh could have been worse...look what happend to Turner Gill at KU...

[Spin]

FAIL to encourage apathetic Akronites to come back to a game by GOUGING them $10 to park a car in a "Tailgate Lot."

Agreed. I had my three teenage boys waiting for me in the car, when I found out not only were tickets going to be $20 a piece, but I was also going to be charged for parking. That's $70 before we got in the door (I'm a student). Who do they think they are, the New England Patriots?

For what? A team that imploded last September, has a new coach who hasn't had a chance to recruit, and an offense that looked like crap against it's own "finding it's way with a new system" defense.

We went somewhere else. We're not going back.

At least until they put an entertaining product on the field.

[RowdyZip]

I harbor no ill will towards the basketball team. In fact, I may still renew my season tickets. However, I'm quickly beginning to harbor ill will towards my University and that's a bad thing. I've calmed down considerably since yesterday, but am still beyond upset with the "preparations" that this athletics department undertook.

I love UA, I love the Zips. I HATE what has been done so far by this regime. I just can't understand the gouging of those of us that are here to support this school. Those of us who show up every game, that renew tickets to see a struggling program, that attempt to bring friends, family and co-workers into this fanbase.

I didn't go into the stadium yesterday expecting a miracle. I did go in expecting to see a team prepared to play a football game, not one with ridiculous penalties, boring play calls, and overall frustratingly awful ball. Throw in the fact that after a 3-9 season, these geniuses tried (and failed) to make lot 9 a "donor" lot, jacked up the prices of parking passes, jacked up the prices of "dedicated tailgate lots," jacked up the GA price for a ticket, and did not even make an effort to get people to come to this game. Though, that last one may be the brightest of the decisions made by these fools. If I were a casual fan and showed up to that game, I would not be coming back, not for a long time. K-ent outdrew us for a 1AA, for s*it's sake.

I can't be thrown in that group that thinks we need to drop ticket prices down to rock bottom to get people in the gates, but you sure as heck don't jack up prices for a team that hasn't had a winning season since 2005. I don't care if we built Cowboy Stadium, a beautiful facility for games does not make for good football, nor does it make for higher prices for bad football.

[Zipmeister]

Most of you have failed to recognize the brilliance of the new AD. By discouraging attendance with lack of marketing and (insert your own pet peeve here) he was able to limit the number of people who personally witnessed how much improvement needs to occur for the Zips to be competitive. Several posters were predicting that an additional 10,000 or so folks would today be bemoaning their decision to attend this debacle. But, with the strategy employed by TW, they are still out there ready to be sheered like sheep when they show up next week to watch the Zips take on the Gardening Weebers.

[ditchrider1]

By the way, Ianello sealed his team's fate by not going for it on 4th and 2 when the Zips were still in the game...didn't understand it then, still don't understand it now.

100% Agree. To me this was Ianello's chance to put his stamp on the program, grab his footballs and go for it. He failed and it blew up in his face in a big way. The stadium emptied and that was that.

A few things I noticed:

-Absolutely no one to throw to. Awful, unimaginative routes with nothing seemingly designed to clear space and get someone open.

-When the routes immediately broke down, no one came back or tried to get open.

-We should have been running screens and play-actions more on first down.

-I think someone mentioned we have 94 TE's on the roster...lol. How many passes did we throw to them?

-They are still using calculators at some of the concession stands...really?

-Crowd was better than last year, more into to the game to begin with.

-Defense is formidable, will make some plays this year and hopefully win us a game or two.

-Offense should just punt on first down and get the defense back on the field if they are going to be forced to run these crap plays.

-Small student turn-out.

-Nice LOUD, Syracuse turn-out.

-With this poor product on the field along with ticket/parking prices are driving away the casual fan and is starting to anger the hard-cores.

-Can't drew 16,535 for FCS Murray State in a crap stadium, we drew 15,969 for Syracuse, a FCS BCS school in a 1 year old state of the art, calculator using, Jumbo-tron flickering and sputtering stadium

Looks like another long year for Zips football...hope they can make some changes this week. If they lose to G-Webb it could be crushing for whats left of the program.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Things that went well yesterday:

1) The weather was predicted to be far worse than it actually was. By game time, it had turned into a beautiful day.

2) Say what you will about the tailgating lot prices, but eating and drinking with other fans in lot 9 was damned nice. I was feeling good about just being a part of the atmosphere before we ever got to our seats.

3) The crowd was small, it was Rubber Bowl sized, but I didn't walk away from the facility at the end of the game embarrassed by the stadium, walking through wet grass and mud to my car.

4) The defense looked respectable, stout at times, even though a perusal of the box score has me wondering.

5) The band was really good and it appeared that there were more students in their section, and on the grass, than at many games last year. Certainly MANY more than used to go to games at the Rubber Bowl.

6) The overall game day experience was very good. I'll keep on coming back just for that, regardless of the number of fans in the stands.

I suppose many of us, me included, expected that the University had decided to flip the switch on real, bigger-time, actual D-1 football when the new facilities were built. I now believe that it is possible that they took a chance to build when the opportunity presented itself, without simultaneously deciding to take the additional steps required to build an up and coming program. I also wonder if there is already so much pressure, so much competition in the college football universe, that there simply is no room for programs like Akron to "become" more substantial (read competitive) than they are now. If so, how about we schedule FCS teams out of conference and compete in the MAC, and adjust to our place in the college football universe?

In any event, I feel good this morning knowing I had some good chili, a hot dog and beer among other fans for a few hours before the game, and enjoyed a (poorly played) football game in a beautiful facility with an actual team shop outside. That's where this program is. Those who want more in 2010 are probably going to be bitterly disappointed.

[Big Zip]

I went to yesterday's game with low expectations and Coach I managed to put a product on the field that didn't even meet those expectations.

• Coach I after the game "We new they were a blitzing team" Me talking to the radio "Then why the hell didn't you keep a running back in the back field to help?"
  
• I did not see all of the "dropped" passes someone else saw. I saw a "dropped" pass by Jalil Carter and tons of poorly thrown passes.
  
  • The defense played well (even though the score didn't indicate) but I think they were on the field for like 72 plays.
    
  • Most unimaginative offense I've ever seen and I'll be surprised to see this team score more than 10 points again on average playing like they did yesterday.
    
  • I think Alex Allen is done. His one run was nice but the rest of the time he was in the game he showed he has lost a step and is very tentative running the ball.
    
  • Nate Burney is 5'6 and ran with more heart than Allen yesterday.
    
  • Nicely looks lost. He can't find open receivers. He throws balls way late...often throwing them after the player has completed his route. He threw into double coverage all day. And my personal favority 3rd and 3 he rools right has a chance to run to try to get the first down and throws it away...are you kidding me it was like he had no clue threre were only three downs.
    
  • Going for the field goal on 4th in 2 on Cuses side of the field with a chance to make a game of it? Pathetic chicken shit play calling.
    
  • Did anyone expect a coach from a school that sucked the entire time he was there to come to a program that has sucked and turn it around? I haven't liked the hire from day one and today just emphasized my thoughts. There is no excuse for the lack of preperation other than you are in over your head.
    
  • No enthusiasm from the coaching staff from the start of the game on yesterday. Coach I came lumbering out with the team and looked like he didn't want to be there.
    
  • I think this team is going to be lucky to win a division 1 game this year.
    
  • I've seen high school coaches who were better prepared than these guys and far more imaginitive.
    
  • Shawn Lemon, Bryan Wagner and Mike Thomas are some really good ball players. Marcox looked good too but the other three are all MAC type players.
    
  • Some pretty acrobatic catches by our Wide Receivers yesterday because they certainly didn't get the ball hitting them in their numbers.
    
  • Punting was so uneven...how is it there aren't 120 kids between 18-22 in our entire country that can punt good enough that all schools should have a stud?
    
  • I tried to take the family to Barley House before the game (decided not too tailgate for this game) and got there at 3:30. There was a line and open tables....told us they were understaffed. Are you fucking kidding me what a incompetent bunch of fucks running that place. We went to Brubakers where there were properly staffed decked out in their Zips gear, happy to have us and better food than I thought they would have.
    

  I could go on but I'm guessing that is enough. I have no idea how we can't get this football coaching thing right after all this years and watching other programs succeed time and time again.

[zippy5]

Didn't expect to see so many fair-weather fans abandoning ship this early. Usually it takes a few games.

[RootforRoo44]

Other than that, everything was pretty much what I expected. And unfortunately, in some cases, far worse than I even expected, including the way I felt our coach managed the game, and the attendance.

I think this is the biggest issue moving forward. I am shocked at the lack of a "buzz" (including marketing!) throughout the week for a game against a Big East team. This game would have EASILY been higher at the Rubber Bowl. The only conclusion that I can draw is the price of admission is too high for the product that is being placed on the field. I am not ready to jump off the Y Bridge after one game, but the lack of fans at the game is troublesome. I didn't renew after last season, and looking at the attendance numbers, I wasn't alone.

Too many people worry about the crowd. With as bad as this team has been, how can you expect fans to show? Win some games, and they'll be there. Obama couldn't convince 25k to come watch this mess.

Yes he could.He convinced a lot of people to buy into hype.

HAHA...+1

[jaycevs]

I guess one game to turn a program around and completely change both sides of the ball is enough to make an assessment of this coaching staff, I was unaware of that until reading these posts, but yeah I agree and the University should just make the changes now and end this nightmare of a season.

I was expecting to go undefeated this year and play Alabama or Ohio State in the national championship, but since we are out of the BCS picture there is no reason to watch. I don't understand how our players have yet to grasp a system that is completely different from what most of them have been doing for years now, and how Coach hasn't brought in enough freshman this year to plug all the holes in this team that was 3-9 last year, to catch passes, block, and win a Championship.

I also don't understand how we can only get 15000 people to watch a team picked to finish last in conference, but Can't can sell 16000 to see a team picked as a sleeper by a lot of different publications, a team that also has been picked by many to have the best d in conference this year. I think the majority of fans posting here today have hit it dead on, if only some of you would apply to be the next AD we could solve all the problems overnight, and take Ohio State to the woodshed next year. Go Zips!

[ZippyTuba11]

I guess one game to turn a program around and completely change both sides of the ball is enough to make an assessment of this coaching staff, I was unaware of that until reading these posts, but yeah I agree and the University should just make the changes now and end this nightmare of a season.

I was expecting to go undefeated this year and play Alabama or Ohio State in the national championship, but since we are out of the BCS picture there is no reason to watch. I don't understand how our players have yet to grasp a system that is completely different from what most of them have been doing for years now, and how Coach hasn't brought in enough freshman this year to plug all the holes in this team that was 3-9 last year, to catch passes, block, and win a Championship.

I also don't understand how we can only get 15000 people to watch a team picked to finish last in conference, but Can't can sell 16000 to see a team picked as a sleeper by a lot of different publications, a team that also has been picked by many to have the best d in conference this year. I think the majority of fans posting here today have hit it dead on, if only some of you would apply to be the next AD we could solve all the problems overnight, and take Ohio State to the woodshed next year. Go Zips!

+1

[ZachTheZip]

I guess one game to turn a program around and completely change both sides of the ball is enough to make an assessment of this coaching staff, I was unaware of that until reading these posts, but yeah I agree and the University should just make the changes now and end this nightmare of a season.

I was expecting to go undefeated this year and play Alabama or Ohio State in the national championship, but since we are out of the BCS picture there is no reason to watch. I don't understand how our players have yet to grasp a system that is completely different from what most of them have been doing for years now, and how Coach hasn't brought in enough freshman this year to plug all the holes in this team that was 3-9 last year, to catch passes, block, and win a Championship.

I also don't understand how we can only get 15000 people to watch a team picked to finish last in conference, but Can't can sell 16000 to see a team picked as a sleeper by a lot of different publications, a team that also has been picked by many to have the best d in conference this year. I think the majority of fans posting here today have hit it dead on, if only some of you would apply to be the next AD we could solve all the problems overnight, and take Ohio State to the woodshed next year. Go Zips!

I was expecting to not get run over with great returning talent on defense. I was expecting the offense to look more organized than a pee-wee team. I was expecting the offensive playcalling to have some balls. We won't even beat Gardner Webb if the playcalling is as unimaginative and chickensh*t as it was this week.

Is that too much to ask?

[GP1]

Lots of panic today on the board. Can't fault that. I'd be pissed as Hell is I wasted three hours plus tailgating for that mess.

All I have to go by are the numbers. If the actual game was a reflection of the statistics, it was a disaster. Three statistics stick out to me. Four actually.

1. Big Zip was right when he said some of his worst concerns came true. All I have been asking for this season is for Nicely to improve his accuracy. Accuracy is what makes a good QB. He completed 33% of his passes. That's terrible. I don't care how hard you throw it, it doesn't matter if you can't throw it close to someone. Nicely needs to stop talking about being a leader and lead with his performance.

2. 8 minute time of posession difference. Over a half quarter. Not bad actually. The game should have been closer. What you do on special teams matters. Special teams can kill you in terms of how you execute and decisions you make. Blocked kick for TD is a killer because it feels like a 10 point swing to the players. They get seven and you lose the three you believe you would have had. I read that we also deployed the pop-up kick. Pop-up kicks hand away field position in chunks. All the other team has to do is fair catch it and they get the ball around the 35.

3. Nicely had 111 yards passing. The scary number is he only had 55 net passing yards. If you can polish that turd of a statistic, then you are the best writer on the board.

4. Seven procedure penalties? Blame the coach and players for this one. Coaches get blamed because the players are stupid. They have been going over where to line up since spring practice. The players need to get their heads out of their asses and line up in the right place.

Some of you wanted smashmouth football. Well, you got it. Three freaking points. The concern here is I think Toledo was the only MAC school to score less points than us this weekend in a home beat down by Arizona.

I'm not so concerned we go our ass kicked by a bcs school. That is the norm for the MAC. My concern is the lack of offensive production. Who in the Hell are we going to beat if we can't score at least 21 points per game? The MAC is a scoring league and teams find a way to score. At some point we are going to have to match it.

If you think yesterday was bad, wait until Kentucky and Indiana get their hands on us after they have a couple of games under their belts. It is going to be freaking ugly. If you thought the stadium wasn't full enough yesterday, wait until they start 1-3 with three of those games being the Zips getting destroyed by BCS teams. Let's not change the way we schedule though....this is a great way to start the year and build momentum every season.

I'll reserve any final judgement until the end of the season. After all, we do play in the MAC and there are just as many teams willing to suck as bad as us on any given day as you will find in any other conference. My prediction was 4-6 wins. I'll stand by that. Closer to four than six. From reading the statistics, there is just nothing going on with this team.

Now let's go eat a f-ing snack.

[Buckzip]

Now let's go eat a f-ing snack.

Best thing I read all day.

[cornbread]

iCoach knows his football. Give him a chance.

Negatives:

I think you guys have covered them.

Positives:

Defense had a lot of take-aways and put pressure on the QB. Hopefully it will be a trend which will help our DBs out tremendously.

Their offense line is very good and our defense stuck with them. They gave up alot of yards but i think they were on the field a lot more than they should have been. When it counted and it was close in the 3rd quarter, our defense held 'Cuse on 3rd down, making them go 0 for 3. That is awesome sauce.

Love the new blitzing mentality. Seems like we were sending 6 when 'Cuse called a pass play. Defensive coordinator did a good job knowing their tendencies.

We didn't win, but we had our chances. iCoach has some smart people working for him. I can't wait to see what they do.

[Spin]

I suppose many of us, me included, expected that the University had decided to flip the switch on real, bigger-time, actual D-1 football when the new facilities were built. I now believe that it is possible that they took a chance to build when the opportunity presented itself, without simultaneously deciding to take the additional steps required to build an up and coming program.

I think they took the money it would take to patch up the RB for a few more years, got some sponsorship funds and other monies (one of Proenza's strong suits), and built a nice facility. I don't know if they ever intended to make the program more than it is. Other than replacing the RB, I haven't seen much from UA...

I also wonder if there is already so much pressure, so much competition in the college football universe, that there simply is no room for programs like Akron to "become" more substantial (read competitive) than they are now. If so, how about we schedule FCS teams out of conference and compete in the MAC, and adjust to our place in the college football universe?

There are schools that have played their cards right and have built competitive programs. Despite not being a BCS school.

It's possible. But they have to decide whether they really want to build, or quit embarassing themselves against the Syracuses and Indianas. I'd rather watch them play YSU and Dayton and pay $10 or $15 per than what they're monkeying with right now.

[Spin]

Didn't expect to see so many fair-weather fans abandoning ship this early. Usually it takes a few games.

This early? This is the same product we have had the past several years. Only with a higher price tag.

I'm a life long Indians fan too, but I'm not about to throw down over $100 to take the family to see that mess. They don't want to see that anyhow.

Call me whatever you want. I don't think it's worth it.

[GP1]

Now let's go eat a f-ing snack.

Best thing I read all day.

Not an exact quote, but watch Hard Knocks from last week.

[GP1]

Can we still Get Waddell? He gets it and would come in here with a vision. I'm sorry but ever since that regime left Akron the athletic department has never been the same. We may have better facilities now but those guys made the most out of what they had. As an AD, you need to work on bringing more fans in instead of squeezing more and more out of those who already care. I for one am considering sitting this season out as well and the basketball team as of late has been getting very predictable. I'm tired of this small time mentality.

What is his vision?

We would have been better off keeping Hunter around. I know people who support CCU and Hunter is well like. He isn't just a Mack 2.0.

Mike Waddell hasn't been here for over five years. Since leaving, he has been turned down for several jobs..what do those people know we don't know? All we know is he is really good at playing second fiddle to Mike Thomas. Some of you need to get over him coming back.

[GP1]

FAIL to encourage apathetic Akronites to come back to a game by GOUGING them $10 to park a car in a "Tailgate Lot."

Agreed. I had my three teenage boys waiting for me in the car, when I found out not only were tickets going to be $20 a piece, but I was also going to be charged for parking. That's $70 before we got in the door (I'm a student). Who do they think they are, the New England Patriots?

$10 is not too much to charge to attend a college football game. If you want to park for free, drive up and down the side streets looking for a spot in front of a house.

$20 is a reasonable price to pay to attend a college football game and watch a BCS team play.

When is the last time you paid to attend an NFL game? GA seats at the Big Dialer are similar to a club level seat at an NFL stadium. Those run in excess of $100ea plus parking. You saved around $400 by going to the Zips game.

Like I've said here many times now..... We are a I-AA school for many reasons. Fan attitudes about what prices should be paid to watch a D-1A game are strange at best. When I see a fan say $70 is too much to watch a D-1A football game with four other humans, I know we can never make it in D-1A.

[GP1]

I think they took the money it would take to patch up the RB for a few more years, got some sponsorship funds and other monies (one of Proenza's strong suits), and built a nice facility. I don't know if they ever intended to make the program more than it is. Other than replacing the RB, I haven't seen much from UA...

Patch up the Rubber Bowl? With what? The place was literally on the verge of being condemned. They would have spent tens of millions of dollars, which they dont' have, to fix up something they were only going to use for a few more years.

I understand the frustration with losing. Please do all of us, and most importantly....me, a favor of not bitching about prices at the new stadium. They can't base their prices upon how good they think the team is going to be and low ball everything jsut in case they suck. Somebody has to pay for Proenza's building spree and football fans are some of those people. If you don't like it, don't go, but please stop bitching about it....that goes for everyone else too.

[Dave in Green]

All I have to go by are the numbers. ..... All I have been asking for this season is for Nicely to improve his accuracy. Accuracy is what makes a good QB. He completed 33% of his passes. That's terrible. I don't care how hard you throw it, it doesn't matter if you can't throw it close to someone. .....

As someone who has been accused of focusing too much on statistics, I believe I am eminently qualified to address the issue of Nicely's 12 of 35 (34%) pass completion percentage.

Unless you actually witnessed the game, you wouldn't know that Nicely put more than 50% of the passes that he threw to his receivers into or near their hands, i.e. catchable. About a third of his statistical pass attempts were not actual pass attempts. They were passes deliberately thrown out of bounds to avoid a sack because all of the receivers were well covered and the Syracuse defensive line was pouring through the Zips offensive line.

Since intended incompletions (deliberately throwing the ball away) do not have their own statistical category, they get lumped in with unintended incompletions under pass completion percentage. Without knowing that a large percentage of the incompletions were deliberate, one cannot fairly and accurately judge the QB's actual pass accuracy performance.

The fact that Nicely threw no interceptions indicates that he was smart enough not to try to force the ball into a tight Syracuse secondary when his receivers were smothered, which was most of the time.

Nicely's performance was obviously not that good, but it was far from the Zips biggest problem last night. The QB did not have a lot of support, and he's not good enough to win games by himself.

[cms133@uakron.edu]

I harbor no ill will towards the basketball team. In fact, I may still renew my season tickets. However, I'm quickly beginning to harbor ill will towards my University and that's a bad thing. I've calmed down considerably since yesterday, but am still beyond upset with the "preparations" that this athletics department undertook.

Ah I gotcha. Sorry for calling you out, I was really pissed last night too. Misunderstanding.

[zippy5]

Didn't expect to see so many fair-weather fans abandoning ship this early. Usually it takes a few games.

This early? This is the same product we have had the past several years. Only with a higher price tag.

I'm a life long Indians fan too, but I'm not about to throw down over $100 to take the family to see that mess. They don't want to see that anyhow.

Call me whatever you want. I don't think it's worth it.

Would you be saying this if they won yesterday?