Suckeyes Tattoo Investigation

[you am i]

I have never come on here and said OSU is the greatest team or anything even close to that. I stated facts.

Fact-OSU has appeared in more BCS games than anyone else.

Fact-OSU has a winning record in those games.

One thing tOSU fans are really good at is leaving out analysis about their team. While it is true all of the above is a fact, let's have a closer look......

GP1,

Although I can certainly understand why someone might have the point of view that because the Buckeyes have underperformed in the National Championship games they are in fact inferior as a football program to the top-level SEC teams over the past 5 years, to say blanketedly that the BIG 10 conference is second tier, and in the next sentence say the BIG 12 and PAC 10 are first tier, is more than a little suspect. As a conference I would certainly put the SEC as the top one over the past decade, but after that the Big 10 is at least the equal of the PAC 10 and the BIG 12. The PAC 10 has realistically had one top program in football over the past decade, USC. The rest have been very mediocre with Oregon the past two seasons being maybe the next best( with their lone BCS appearance spoiled by a Big 10 team) and the BIG 12 has had Texas and Oklahoma and everyone else, with Oklahoma having lost their last 5 bowl games. In fact their next best program is leaving them for the Big 10 this year. I actually think that Ohio State, Wisconsin, Penn State over the past ten years, and this year Michigan State, would hold thier own in either of these conferences so I do not get the second tier reference to the Big 10 if you are not also counitng the Big 12 and PAC 10 in the second tier as well.

Also, I hope you are not saying that Miami in 2002-2003 was a washed up program already when Ohio State beat them for the National Championship, because that would be laughable at best as they were clearly the best program over that 3 or 4 year period and that team in particular was arguably the best, or at least most talented of any team in either the BCS era or the decade prior. (Note- I do not think that is what you were saying as I think your meaning was that now they are down, correct?)

Lastly, I am by no means an Ohio State homer as I am a Zips fan and University of Akron Alumni first, but I would certainly root for Ohio State over anyone else they are playing as they are my home states biggest school, and in most regards best chance for a nationally competitive team. I do enjoy reading all of these posts and can appreciate everyones differing perspectives, but I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State and the Big 10 on this board. Have a great day.

+1 (minus the whole "I root for them because they are the state's biggest school" part)

Believe it or not, many OSU fans were rooting on the UA soccer team in the tourney too.

The hate doesn't go both ways even in the sports UA is superior in.

Buckzip,

Sometimes I actually intently listen to what you have to say. Other times, I see you as the typical delusional OSWho fan. This comment from you would fall into the latter category.

I'd like to introduce you to some people I know, who have done nothing since December 14th but say, "Enjoy your title in a Euro-sport that nobody cares about while we keep kicking your tails in football". And, "You guys keep talking about your soccer title because you aren't good in a REAL sport". I'm seeing a concerted effort to discredit our title that I didn't even expect.

Have you seen the footage of the OSWho player kicking Nagbe in the head this year? You don't think that's frustration and a blatant lack of sportsmanship from not being able to beat us? And did you hear the comments from their coach? You don't think that's yet another example of them displaying their arrogance and self-perceived superiority over Akron?

I can also introduce you to at least a dozen Zips fans that will tell you that when we go to road games, the games at OSWho are unquestionably the games where we get harrassed the worst by the home fans.

Although I wouldn't believe you, you could possibly try to convince someone that these are "isolated incidents". But to flat-out say that there is NO hatred towards Akron coming from OSWho is simply ridiculous and untrue.

The highlighted part is the only part I will respond to because the rest is garbage.

Yes, I saw it. I also mentioned it was BS and the coach was a complete jackass for saying the red card was harsh.

I also posted that clip on the OSU board to see what type of reaction it would get. With the exception of a couple of "who cares about soccer types", which by the way, we actually have here too, everyone attacked the OSU player. Not one defended him. I actually posted that when it was being discussed too.

My point was that your statement indicated that there is NO hate coming from OSWho towards Akron.

I see none. I can guarantee you that I know many, many, many more OSU people than you do.

I can also point you to sites to prove it. All you have is your supposed friends that act that way.

I also would bet that you started most of the crap with your supposed friends.

This remeinds me of Cincy last year. Most OSU fans were happy that Cincy was doing well. Then the Concy fans started coming to OSU sites and saying they were the best in Ohio and OSU wanted no part of them and being complete jerks. Then of coruse the OSU fans changed their tune. I feel this is you.

I have stated many times that there are bad apples everywhere. When you have as big of a fanbase as OSU does there are going to be a decent amount of jerks..

However, your thoughts that most or many are that way is completely incorrect.

Again, you indicated that hatred does not exist from OSWho's side. And you'd be incredibly naive if you think that is true.

We could debate the magnitude of the hatred all day long and not accomplish anything. That wasn't part of my response.

Its just one person's experience, but I know lots of OSU alums who are big Buckeye fans and not one "hates" Akron. In fact, they were all really happy for Akron that the soccer team winning the national championship. Can't fans, on the other hand, seemed jealous.

[Buckzip]

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Again, you indicated that hatred does not exist from OSWho's side. And you'd be incredibly naive if you think that is true.

We could debate the magnitude of the hatred all day long and not accomplish anything. That wasn't part of my response.

Hatred doesn't exist from the OSU side. You are mistaking hatred for smack and competitiveness talk.

There are always threads on here hating on OSU. Suckeyes, OSwho, Cowlumbus, etc. I have never seen anything of that nature from an OSU fan about Akron...Never. Never. Never

There are no threads on OSU boards hating on UA. Never. Here there are dozens of posters. On the OSU boards there are thousands of posters. The only Akron mention there ever is is if UA is playing a B10 school and then it is just talking about the game, or when someone like me brings up Akron for whatever reason. Again, there is no hatred towards Akron when I do that. I have never started an OSU thread here...However, if I did, I would be attacked non stop. You know this to be true.

When 2 teams play there is always smack talk. However, you and others here hate OSU 24/7/365. Don't even deny it.

So you say that some OSU people say UA sucks in football...Well guess what. UA does suck in football. I doubt anyone on this site will argue that point.

I am sure when UA and OSU play there will be talk back and forth. There always is. However, I guarantee that the amount of hatred will be much more from the vocal minority from Akron than from the majority from OSU.

Again, if you can't see the difference between smack talk, competitive talk and pure hatred, I have nothing I can say to you on the subject.

Like I said, I see hatred for OSU here all the time. I have never seen hatred for UA on an OSU site.

[Dr Z]

I have never seen hatred for UA on an OSU site.

I wonder if that would be true if the Zips were able to pull out an upset in September.

I'm sure walking out of the shoe tons of Columbus State fans would pat Zips fans on the back and say "that was a good fair game, golly gee your better than us"

I would guess the words "luck", "suspension", "looked passed", "you suck", "all time"...would hit the top of the hatred list.

It's easy to not hate somebody that you know you are better than. You almost feel sorry for them. You might even root for them in something minor.

It doesn't make you better, and it doesn't change my dislike for the program.

Just to stay on topic, here are the tattoos:

[scottditzen]

Hillarious Tattoo work!!!!

That being said....can we please lose the fixation we have for Ohio State on here? You don't have to attack other schools to empower your own.

And am I the only person here who IS glad that we're not THE big sports school in Ohio?

[Buckzip]

I have never seen hatred for UA on an OSU site.

I wonder if that would be true if the Zips were able to pull out an upset in September.

I'm sure walking out of the shoe tons of Columbus State fans would pat Zips fans on the back and say "that was a good fair game, golly gee your better than us"

I would guess the words "luck", "suspension", "looked passed", "you suck", "all time"...would hit the top of the hatred list.

It's easy to not hate somebody that you know you are better than. You almost feel sorry for them. You might even root for them in something minor.

It doesn't make you better, and it doesn't change my dislike for the program.

Just to stay on topic, here are the tattoos:

Again, you are confusing talking smack with hatred.

[InTheZone]

For the LOVE OF GOD, would you people stop using the damn quote button when you're responding to the person right above you!!!!!

[Buckzip]

For the LOVE OF GOD, would you people stop using the damn quote button when you're responding to the person right above you!!!!!

OK.

[johnnyzip84]

My ideal college football weekend is when Akron wins, and OSU and ND lose.

+ln(e)

[Dr Z]

For the LOVE OF GOD, would you people stop using the damn quote button when you're responding to the person right above you!!!!!

This is probably the fifth time I have posted this. It amazes me every time I see a thread by a few people. You guys don't see the ones I edit either.

[Buckzip]

For the LOVE OF GOD, would you people stop using the damn quote button when you're responding to the person right above you!!!!!

This is probably the fifth time I have posted this. It amazes me every time I see a thread by a few people. You guys don't see the ones I edit either.

Ok thanks again...

Lighten up Francis.

[Hilltopper]

Would somebody please move this thread to the Smack forum where it belongs.

[GP1]

I do not understand the strong hatred displayed for Ohio State.

I don't hate tOSU. I'm indifferent and unemotional about them. If you read my post, I point out how smart Tressel is in guiding his program. Nobody creates a better illusion. tOSU has good players and is obviously a better program than UofA. I also know what goes on in Columbus has little impact on the Zips. I also believe that Tressel is ducking good competition because he knows what would happen if he played really good teams ooc.....they couldn't win and the four years vs. Texas/USC showed it. I was at the USC game in Los Angeles. They didn't just lose, they were humiliated and Tressel can't allow that to happen every year. If tOSU fell apart, it would be the end of the Big Ten as there is little substance to that conference. In ten years, tOSU fans will say, "In 2011, they played two BCS teams ooc." That's the illusion. Colorado and Miami are second rate BCS programs right now and everyone in Columbus knows it and that is why they are on the schedule. Colorado couldn't win CUSA. Miami's better days are in the past.

What I hate are tOSU fans. In the past ten years, they have surpassed Notre Dame as the most obnoxious fans in college football. Mostly, I think they were always a strong second until Notre Dame fans had to admit how bad their program really is and they are in first place by default. The lengths their fans go to rationalize their program is odd. They are defensive in a way that Notre Dame fans were right before they realized there was nothing under the golden dome and Touchdown Jesus was nothing more than a mural of a Jewish guy in a white robe that happens to face towards their football stadium. I think that in many ways, the BCS failures have made them sort of an angry and defensive fan base. Their program has been rightly laughed at in recent years for BCS failures and their ooc schedule. That has to wear on fans. Hell, we saw the same sort of thing on this board with our MBB program. A couple of years ago, with the exception of a few intellectual giants, you didn't dare say a negative word about their schedule or MAC Championship failures or you were shouted down. Buckeye football fan is very similar in a paranoid way.

For the record, I hate SEC fans as well. They are all a bunch of whiners who cry for penalties on every play. I'm hesitant to crown them or anyone else the best conference. The quality of a conference isn't just about who is at the top, it is also about who is at the bottom. The SEC has Vandy at the bottom....bad team in any conference. Vandy lost to Wake...Wake is terrible. I'm a huge fan of the Big 12. I think you see a lot of SEC type players with more physicality. You also see really good QBs in the Big 12 and I love watching good QBs play. Anyone see the Missouri/Iowa game last night? The Missouri QB was great right up until he blew the game with five minutes to go (he also had a costly red zone INT in the first half). Most close college football games are lost, not won. The PAC10 is unique in college football conferences and for that reason (and great QB play) I really like it.

I caution anyone using bowl results as conclusive evidence as to how good a conference is. Use your eyes and brain while watching regular season games. Trust what you see. Use head to head match-ups in ooc play. I think the PAC 10 had a down year, yet they went 2-1 against the Big 10 ooc and could have easily gone 3-0 had Arizona State not gone Arizona State against at Wisconsin. I don't think Iowa ever rebounded from their loss to Arizona. Bill Cowher says that a team is most dangerous when they have confidence and momentum. Iowa loses confidence very easily and is shows in their body language....you saw that last night as well until Missouri handed them the game.

[InTheZone]

I agree with GP1 on just about everything except his implication t hat the SEC is not clearly the best conference. You can't ignore 5 national championships in a row and an undefeated record in BCS Title games since they began. And it's not like it's just one team dominating either. Since the BCS' inception in 1998 FIVE different teams have won national titles. In this latest run of soon to be five in a row, four different teams will have taken part. That's four different teams who have dominated college football in the last five years. In twelve years of BCS title games, seven national champions are going to have come from the SEC. It should've been 8, as Auburn went undefeated in '04 and would've smashed either of the pretenders in the title game that year if they'd been given the chance. Regardless of how bad Vandy is, the fact that so many teams are national powerhouses cannot be ignored. Even the second-tier SEC teams like Arkansas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State have their years of national prominence. Ohio State fans are about to discover the talent gap between themselves and even these second-tier teams. Believe me, Jim Tressel and the OSU athletic brass are not looking forward to this exposure.

I honestly believe that the SEC champion should be given an automatic national championship bid, because they are the best team in college football every year. That's shown by the fact that when the SEC champ is given an opportunity to play in the title game, they're undefeated. If college football went to a playoff system, an SEC team would be the national champion every year.

This is an unbiased opinion based on observable facts. I'm a Midwestern guy, I have no ties to the south. I'd love to say we play the best football and have the best athletes in this region of the country. The fact is, we don't. In fact, Ohio State and most other Midwestern schools have to go into the South to try to steal players in recruiting. How many Florida and Georgia guys do you see on Big 10 rosters? A lot. How many Ohio/Michigan/Pennsylvania guys do you see on SEC rosters? Mark Ingram is the only guy that comes to mind. Zero on most SEC teams. The Big 12 is second to the SEC, and then the PAC 10 in some years. There's a huge drop off after that. Nebraska made a great move getting into the Big 10. They're schedule just got a heckuva lot easier and they will be playing in a lot more BCS games in the coming years. Facts are facts.

[Yahtzee]

I agree with GP1 on just about everything except his implication t hat the SEC is not clearly the best conference. You can't ignore 5 national championships in a row and an undefeated record in BCS Title games since they began. And it's not like it's just one team dominating either. Since the BCS' inception in 1998 FIVE different teams have won national titles. In this latest run of soon to be five in a row, four different teams will have taken part. That's four different teams who have dominated college football in the last five years. In twelve years of BCS title games, seven national champions are going to have come from the SEC. It should've been 8, as Auburn went undefeated in '04 and would've smashed either of the pretenders in the title game that year if they'd been given the chance. Regardless of how bad Vandy is, the fact that so many teams are national powerhouses cannot be ignored. Even the second-tier SEC teams like Arkansas, South Carolina, Ole Miss, and Mississippi State have their years of national prominence. Ohio State fans are about to discover the talent gap between themselves and even these second-tier teams. Believe me, Jim Tressel and the OSU athletic brass are not looking forward to this exposure.

I honestly believe that the SEC champion should be given an automatic national championship bid, because they are the best team in college football every year. That's shown by the fact that when the SEC champ is given an opportunity to play in the title game, they're undefeated. If college football went to a playoff system, an SEC team would be the national champion every year.

This is an unbiased opinion based on observable facts. I'm a Midwestern guy, I have no ties to the south. I'd love to say we play the best football and have the best athletes in this region of the country. The fact is, we don't. In fact, Ohio State and most other Midwestern schools have to go into the South to try to steal players in recruiting. How many Florida and Georgia guys do you see on Big 10 rosters? A lot. How many Ohio/Michigan/Pennsylvania guys do you see on SEC rosters? Mark Ingram is the only guy that comes to mind. Zero on most SEC teams. The Big 12 is second to the SEC, and then the PAC 10 in some years. There's a huge drop off after that. Nebraska made a great move getting into the Big 10. They're schedule just got a heckuva lot easier and they will be playing in a lot more BCS games in the coming years. Facts are facts.

As I said above I do agree that the SEC is the best conference overall during the past 10 years, but I believe you are going a little over the top with an automaitc bid to the Championship Game every year and that they would win it every year with a playoff. That may be your opinion, but it is neither unbiased or a fact. We simply do not know without them actually playing the games. I think they would be favored many years, but just like the undefeated 2007 NFL Patriots found out, that is no guarantee of winning it all.

As to saying that the BIG 10 areas do not produce talent and that these schools only can be successful going to the south to steal players, I would ask then why does the State of Ohio rank 5th overall and Pensylvania 7th in players drafted over the past 20 years, with Ohio State 4th overall sending players to the NFL( with a large majority from the midwest), ahead of all but one SEC team, so there clearly is some talent here.

Finally, as to the shots at Tressel, that perplexes me probably the most, as even though he is fallible like everyone else (coaches or anyone else for that matter) he is a very honest and reputable man who does try to do the best for the kids in his program. I know this first hand over many years from kids I have known and mentored at YSU through the current time from coaches I know who have worked with him, be it at camps or charitable organizations. There are many coaches at the Div 1 level that are not so Universally respected as he is as far as character, and I would guess that there is much more to the current story then any of us are aware. But I would venture to say that it was probably his personal preference to suspend them for the bowl game (as he has done in the past), but the other outside influences affected the decision. I would also venture a guess that he received some personal assurances from these players that they would appologize publically, as they did, and that they will return to serve thier suspensions. I would not be surprised in the least if they all reurned next year as from what I know he does try to use mistakes as learning experiences for the parties involved.

[Yahtzee]

I also do not think Nebraska's schedule just got any easier going forward as I think they will struggle to win thier division year in and year out just like they did in the Big 12. The Big 10 did give them a break though by putting them in clearly the easier of the two divisions right now, however it is only a matter of time before Michigan rises back to National prominance again, most likely soon after Rich Rod is fired and the divisions will evan out a little. Nebraska most likely came to the Big 10 for the MONEY and larger exposure the Big 10 will give them, not because they thought it would be an easier confernence. Once the Big 10 adds another member in the next few years, likely in the northeast, their geographic coverage especially from a TV market perspective, will be enourmous. This will be even more profitable for all the members and much more so than staying in the Big 12 would have been for Nebraska.

[Buckzip]

GP1 and ITZ, thank you for those last 2 posts.

I enjoyed them so much that I had to quote them and post them on another board for others to see.

They were enjoyed by all.

Again, thank you.

[Lee Adams]

Appears Tressel has done a novel tradeoff. The suspended players get to play in the bowl game for a promise of returning for their senior seasons. Wonder if they will actually show up next year?

[InTheZone]

GP1 and ITZ, thank you for those last 2 posts.

I enjoyed them so much that I had to quote them and post them on another board for others to see.

They were enjoyed by all.

Again, thank you.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=145&F=3...6951974&P=1

Awww.... wittle Buckzip had his wittle feelings hurt in here so he had to go make himself feel better and have a little circle jerk with his Suckeye buddies.... How cute.

Seriously dude, what a sign of the weakness of your manhood. Because you were losing the argument in here, you have to take the argument to a bunch of people who will agree with you. And where are all these facts you claim no one responds to that you supposedly present? It's easy to make such a claim when no one will challenge you over there huh. And then you sit back while a bunch of Suckeye fans bash Akron. You're a weak weak man.

[Buckzip]

GP1 and ITZ, thank you for those last 2 posts.

I enjoyed them so much that I had to quote them and post them on another board for others to see.

They were enjoyed by all.

Again, thank you.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=145&F=3...6951974&P=1

Awww.... wittle Buckzip had his wittle feelings hurt in here so he had to go make himself feel better and have a little circle jerk with his Suckeye buddies.... How cute.

Seriously dude, what a sign of the weakness of your manhood. Because you were losing the argument in here, you have to take the argument to a bunch of people who will agree with you. And where are all these facts you claim no one responds to that you supposedly present? It's easy to make such a claim when no one will challenge you over there huh. And then you sit back while a bunch of Suckeye fans bash Akron. You're a weak weak man.

Posting the same thing on 2 threads. LOL at you.

I wasn't losing any arguement here. ROFLMAO at you again. I wanted others to see how ridiculous a couple of people are.

I didn't even respond to your stupidity on those posts. I was laughing too hard at how hard you try to make eveyrone think you know what you are talking about when you are clueless. There are certain people that it is best not to even try to discuss things with because they are just too ignorant to understand. You are one of those.

You know absolutely nothing about college football and it is obvious in most of your posts.

You have so much hate for OSU that nothing can or will change your mind. I actually agree about certain things, but the rest is such nonsense that it's not worth it.

Nobody bashed UA in that thread. I was expecting someone to though. And I would have responded back in kind to that poster. Nice try though. Most answered your stupid little argument and bashed you and your buddy.

Nobody said anything bad about Akron. Again, NICE TRY LOSER.

[cornbread]

Seriously dude, what a sign of the weakness of your manhood. Because you were losing the argument in here, you have to take the argument to a bunch of people who will agree with you.

Man... I think you should add "don't be such a douchebag on the internet" to your New Year's resolutions. If not, you can go to 4chan to get some of this stuff off of your chest.

[Buckzip]

Seriously dude, what a sign of the weakness of your manhood. Because you were losing the argument in here, you have to take the argument to a bunch of people who will agree with you.

Man... I think you should add "don't be such a douchebag on the internet" to your New Year's resolutions. If not, you can go to 4chan to get some of this stuff off of your chest.

Yeah, the guy is calling out my manhood on a message board. What a hypocrite.

Actually I would agree it was wrong to do if I hadn't told them I did it. I didn't try to hide anything.

Then he goes on to say that they were bashing UA. Nobody said a bad word about UA.

I think little boys feeling are hurt because he got owned...again. LOL

[you am i]

GP1 and ITZ, thank you for those last 2 posts.

I enjoyed them so much that I had to quote them and post them on another board for others to see.

They were enjoyed by all.

Again, thank you.

http://mbd.scout.com/mb.aspx?S=145&F=3...6951974&P=1

Awww.... wittle Buckzip had his wittle feelings hurt in here so he had to go make himself feel better and have a little circle jerk with his Suckeye buddies.... How cute.

Seriously dude, what a sign of the weakness of your manhood. Because you were losing the argument in here, you have to take the argument to a bunch of people who will agree with you. And where are all these facts you claim no one responds to that you supposedly present? It's easy to make such a claim when no one will challenge you over there huh. And then you sit back while a bunch of Suckeye fans bash Akron. You're a weak weak man.

Actually, you guys were asking for it.

[Dr Z]

Personal attacks should cease.