MDZip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Bulls up by 13 with a few seconds left in the half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Bulls up by 13 with a few seconds left in the half. On TV, or internet link? I'm too lazy to search lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RowdyZip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 STO, complete with terrible K-ent announcers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 STO, complete with terrible K-ent announcers. Oh yay, turned it on. I'll have to record this, might catch another: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope UB beats Can't, but in 2 or 3 OTs. They have the short turnaround and play us on Saturday. We need to not only win out, but by double digits in every game to send a message when we eventually win the MAC tourney that we're better than a 16 seed (unless we play OSU in Cleveland, then I'm all for the 16 seed because of just hwo awesome that game would be). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope UB beats Can't, but in 2 or 3 OTs. They have the short turnaround and play us on Saturday. We need to not only win out, but by double digits in every game to send a message when we eventually win the MAC tourney that we're better than a 16 seed (unless we play OSU in Cleveland, then I'm all for the 16 seed because of just hwo awesome that game would be). That one was a bit of a tossup in who was better for us as the winner. Buffalo is fighting with us for that three or four seed and overtaking Can't is a bit of a longshot for the one seed. I always root against Can't though so I was hoping the Bulls would pull it off. If anyone didn't watch, the Bulls just lost 72-69. But the Bulls' guard at the end ball-hogged his way to a bad shot at the buzzer and it was just plain stupid of him. Personally, I thought he was fouled, and the Buffalo bench probably agreed, but what an idiot move dribbling around for 8 seconds before shooting. Not to mention the fact that his defender had him on LOCK. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I hope UB beats Can't, but in 2 or 3 OTs. They have the short turnaround and play us on Saturday. We need to not only win out, but by double digits in every game to send a message when we eventually win the MAC tourney that we're better than a 16 seed (unless we play OSU in Cleveland, then I'm all for the 16 seed because of just hwo awesome that game would be). I'll take just closing out the season with one-point wins I'd like to be greedy, but those last 2 road games are gonna be a real challenge !! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Playing what if ..... If Can't had beaten Miami the other night instead of vice versa, the MAC East standings would look like this right now: 1. Can't -- 11-2 2. Zips -- 8-5 2. Miami -- 8-5 4. Buffalo -- 7-6 4. BGSU -- 7-6 4. Ohio -- 7-6 Instead of this: 1. Can't -- 10-3 2. Miami -- 9-4 3. Zips -- 8-5 4. Buffalo -- 7-6 4. BGSU -- 7-6 4. Ohio -- 7-6 There's still a chance for the Zips to grab the #3 seed, but hopes for #1 are fading. Even if Miami doesn't stumble, based on the way things looked a couple of weeks ago, the #4 seed doesn't look so bad for the Zips right now. At least the Zips control their own destiny. Win out, and they get a bye no matter what anyone else does. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 With BG, Buffalo, and OU now sitting right behind us, the possibilities are endless. Realistically now, with #1 as a long shot, we probably have about equal odds of being the #3 seed as being the #6 or #7 seed. This is why Buffalo becomes another critical game. Lose, and we're tied with them again AND they own the tiebreaker. Win, and we separate from Buffalo by two games, and I believe we're close to a lock of being no worse than #5 because of our tiebreaker advantage over BG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Playing what if ..... If Can't had beaten Miami the other night instead of vice versa, the MAC East standings would look like this right now: 1. Can't -- 11-2 2. Zips -- 8-5 2. Miami -- 8-5 4. Buffalo -- 7-6 4. BGSU -- 7-6 4. Ohio -- 7-6 Instead of this: 1. Can't -- 10-3 2. Miami -- 9-4 3. Zips -- 8-5 4. Buffalo -- 7-6 4. BGSU -- 7-6 4. Ohio -- 7-6 There's still a chance for the Zips to grab the #3 seed, but hopes for #1 are fading. Even if Miami doesn't stumble, based on the way things looked a couple of weeks ago, the #4 seed doesn't look so bad for the Zips right now. At least the Zips control their own destiny. Win out, and they get a bye no matter what anyone else does. Right now I'm not entirely sure it matters who the Zips play or when they play them as far as tournament time. This team is playing so well right now that opponent just doesn't seem to matter. Of course, a lot can change in the next two weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Would still love to see the Zips at least have the opportunity to play for the #1 seed (which means both Miami and Can't have to lose at least once more to someone other than us) because the automatic NIT bid goes with it just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Would still love to see the Zips at least have the opportunity to play for the #1 seed (which means both Miami and Can't have to lose at least once more to someone other than us) because the automatic NIT bid goes with it just in case. I know others are going to disagree with me, but the NIT, CBI, CBA, etc., etc., etc. just don't do it for me. We've been there, we've done that. The games are kind of interesting, and it is nice to have at least some post-season action, but the final 4 of the NIT doesn't have the excitement factor of even a play-in game in the big-dance. NCAA's or bust for me. I've had enough of the consilation prizes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Would still love to see the Zips at least have the opportunity to play for the #1 seed (which means both Miami and Can't have to lose at least once more to someone other than us) because the automatic NIT bid goes with it just in case. I know others are going to disagree with me, but the NIT, CBI, CBA, etc., etc., etc. just don't do it for me. We've been there, we've done that. The games are kind of interesting, and it is nice to have at least some post-season action, but the final 4 of the NIT doesn't have the excitement factor of even a play-in game in the big-dance. NCAA's or bust for me. I've had enough of the consilation prizes. While I agree I wouldn't get too excited about a bid to any of the "other" tourneys, a trip to the NIT semi-finals to watch the Zips play in MSG would actually be quite a thrill IMHO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 What a strange game that was last night. Buffalo was so dominant in the first half then came out and laid a big egg. Sure, the shots were not falling for the Bulls but one has to think that Geno simply outcoached Reggie. Bottom line, the Bulls couldn't handle the defensive intensity thak K.S.U. brought to the floor in the 2nd half. As far as the NIT and the other post season spots go I still enjoy the games no matter where they go. It wasn't too long ago that we took down a solid ACC program in Fla. St. which always looks good on the resume. Sure, the games don't have the same edge to them as the big dance but its a great tool for the coaches and teams to get some more work in before they hang up the sneakers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 While I agree I wouldn't get too excited about a bid to any of the "other" tourneys, a trip to the NIT semi-finals to watch the Zips play in MSG would actually be quite a thrill IMHO.I agree. I would absolutely go to that, even though it's on a Tuesday. To be honest, the first time I was at MSG (5 years ago), I was a little disappointed. I thought I was going to be as thrilling as being in Fenway or old Yankee stadium. I didn't know they were doing another renovation ($850 mill)? I'll email Tracy Morgan and see if I can get his court side seats for us just in case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 On the subject of lesser post-season tournaments, I tend to look at them the same way I would winning a consolation prize in the big lotto. I'd be seriously disappointed if I just missed the $50,000,000 jackpot, but would find a way to grin and bear it with accepting the $50,000 consolation prize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hip Zip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 On the subject of lesser post-season tournaments, I tend to look at them the same way I would winning a consolation prize in the big lotto. I'd be seriously disappointed if I just missed the $50,000,000 jackpot, but would find a way to grin and bear it with accepting the $50,000 consolation prize. Amen Brother ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think grouping the CBI with the NIT is unfair. The NIT has a great history and would still be a good year for the Zips if they made it. I don't see it as that bad of a consolation. The CBI is a joke and has zero atmosphere, tv coverage, or history. It really isn't even worth it for us anymore to play in such a thing, i'd almost rather turn it down as it doesnt even make us money. That being said, let's just pound out three straight wins in Cleveland and go dancing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The biggest advantage to the other post-season tournaments is the additional practices you get. The players get more coaching, which would benefit them going into next season. The CBI costs money, but think of it as buying your way around the NCAA's practice time rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RootforRoo44 Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The biggest advantage to the other post-season tournaments is the additional practices you get. The players get more coaching, which would benefit them going into next season. The CBI costs money, but think of it as buying your way around the NCAA's practice time rules. I think that it may be a factor for a few players, but the majority of them get very little from such a meaningless game. They can all get together on their own time and play a scrimmage at the Rec if they really want. It's basically the same thing. The next season is so many months after that it's just plain irrelevant, barring some perfect matchup that ends up being a great pressure filled game of course. And we all watched that CBI game last year, so i think we know how likely such a game is. It reminds me of a quote from (the hated) Jim Thome, and his thoughts when a reporter asked him about only missing a week after an injury. I can't remember specifically what he said, but it was something to the effect of "For a hitter, missing just a few days of BP is essentially the same as missing an entire month, you lose all of your rhythm and what you've worked on." As a baseball player, i can agree entirely, and as someone who also played a bit of basketball, i think it holds true there as well. It's especially the case for shooters, who may get one more game, but in the end, the offseason will erode away the positive impact on their game from that one extra contest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 The biggest advantage to the other post-season tournaments is the additional practices you get. The players get more coaching, which would benefit them going into next season. The CBI costs money, but think of it as buying your way around the NCAA's practice time rules. $50,000 (cost of buying a CBI home game) is a really expensive couple of practices. After practicing since October, a handful of additional basketball practices in March means absolutely nothing. As evident by our lethargic home loss to WGB last season, the players don't really care about the CBI. And as evident by our <1k attendance, the fans don't either. In a football bowl game, where you can practice for 4-6 weeks more than a non-qualifying team, the extra practice time makes an impact. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Would still love to see the Zips at least have the opportunity to play for the #1 seed (which means both Miami and Can't have to lose at least once more to someone other than us) because the automatic NIT bid goes with it just in case. I know others are going to disagree with me, but the NIT, CBI, CBA, etc., etc., etc. just don't do it for me. We've been there, we've done that. The games are kind of interesting, and it is nice to have at least some post-season action, but the final 4 of the NIT doesn't have the excitement factor of even a play-in game in the big-dance. NCAA's or bust for me. I've had enough of the consilation prizes. While I agree I wouldn't get too excited about a bid to any of the "other" tourneys, a trip to the NIT semi-finals to watch the Zips play in MSG would actually be quite a thrill IMHO. It's at least an opportunity to play and beat some teams that are at a higher level than most of what we schedule during the OOC part of our schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 A CBI game would give KD a chance to play Egner and Euton for 3 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted February 25, 2011 Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 A CBI game would give KD a chance to play Egner and Euton for 3 minutes. each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted February 25, 2011 Author Report Share Posted February 25, 2011 Pat Forde's column including a part lamenting the state of the MAC and his lead-in was what he thought to be one of his unexplained phenomenons: Akron 89, Bowling Green 54, Feb. 15 in Bowling Green. The Zips entered this one a game behind the Falcons in the Mid-American Conference standings. But they built a 20-point lead after 18 minutes, stretched it to 40 with eight minutes to play and coasted in. Speaking of MAC mysteries … Why does this league stink? The MAC currently is rated the No. 18 league in the land by Jeff Sagarin's computer (and 21st in the RPI). That's a fairly precipitous fall from even the modest position the Midwestern collection of colleges once held. From 2000 to '05, the MAC average was No. 11 in Sagarin's ratings. From 2006 to the present, that rank is No. 16. And this season, it's all the way down to 18 -- just behind the Summit League and just ahead of the Big West (not to be confused in the slightest with the Big East). Sagarin does not rank a single MAC school in his top 100 -- there simply isn't a single entity in the 12-team league to get overly excited about. As recently as 2007-08, the MAC had five in the Sagarin top 100. In 2002, Can't State (34) reached the Elite Eight with Antonio Gates playing power forward. In 1999, Miami (Ohio) (35) made the Sweet 16 behind Wally Szczerbiak. In 1990, Ball State (36) advanced to the Sweet 16, where the Cardinals nearly upset eventual national champion UNLV. The next season, Eastern Michigan (37) made it to that round. So this is a league with some history. But it now has become a mystery. Maybe the general population decline in the industrial centers of the upper Midwest has had an impact on recruiting. Maybe schools have felt the budgetary crunch of playing football at the highest classification and it has affected the basketball bottom line. Maybe there are too many aging facilities, mismanaged athletic departments and uninspiring coaches. Whatever the root cause, MAC basketball is floundering. And there's no reason to believe that will change anytime soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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