Don't Get Too Excited...

[ToledoRockets]

I have been reading your other posts about next year and about new stadiums, etc.. I think you guys need to keep it realistic.First of all, congrats on winning the MAC. But one MAC Championship does not make a "program". You guys need to learn how to win consistently and pack the stadium that you have before you start getting too big for your britches.A lot of Toledo fans talk the same unrealistic stuff...bigger stadium, BCS teams, another conference...We have the top program in the MAC. Toledo is the program by which all other programs measure themselves. We are the first MAC school to ever host a Big-10 school. We hold the MAC records for season and single game attendance. We are battling for the MAC title year-in and year-out and going to bowls nearly every year and still holding a top-3 MAC standard for attendance. Yet, we are not in a position to be building a 30,000+ seat stadium.Toledo is in a position to have the most expensive season and single game ticket prices in the MAC, by far, and still fill the stadium because we have a 26,000 seat stadium. You guys need something like what we have: #1 stadium in the conference, on campus, 26,000+ seats, largest press box in the country for any level of football. You create a demand. We have NEVER had an empty luxury suite and it is 10,000 a year for each suite. We put a great team on the field every year, not just once in a lifetime.It is good to dream but you have to be realistic. If you bite off more than you can chew, you create a black hole of debt and unmet expectations. Learn to win. Learn to get good crowds with what you have. A bigger stadium at Akron will be a joke. You MUST be happy to be winning MAC titles and anything bigger is an added bonus.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I have been reading your other posts about next year and about new stadiums, etc.. I think you guys need to keep it realistic.First of all, congrats on winning the MAC. But one MAC Championship does not make a "program". You guys need to learn how to win consistently and pack the stadium that you have before you start getting too big for your britches.A lot of Toledo fans talk the same unrealistic stuff...bigger stadium, BCS teams, another conference...We have the top program in the MAC. Toledo is the program by which all other programs measure themselves. We are the first MAC school to ever host a Big-10 school. We hold the MAC records for season and single game attendance. We are battling for the MAC title year-in and year-out and going to bowls nearly every year and still holding a top-3 MAC standard for attendance. Yet, we are not in a position to be building a 30,000+ seat stadium.Toledo is in a position to have the most expensive season and single game ticket prices in the MAC, by far, and still fill the stadium because we have a 26,000 seat stadium. You guys need something like what we have: #1 stadium in the conference, on campus, 26,000+ seats, largest press box in the country for any level of football. You create a demand. We have NEVER had an empty luxury suite and it is 10,000 a year for each suite. We put a great team on the field every year, not just once in a lifetime.It is good to dream but you have to be realistic. If you bite off more than you can chew, you create a black hole of debt and unmet expectations. Learn to win. Learn to get good crowds with what you have. A bigger stadium at Akron will be a joke. You MUST be happy to be winning MAC titles and anything bigger is an added bonus.

The "old Akron"...the one everyone lumped in with Can't...is dead. Deal with it. Fear the Roo.

[Buckzip]

Sounds a little like someone is getting nervous. Funny, I never knew that Toledo was the school everyone aspired to be. Thanks for filling us all in with your arrogance.Toldeo is at the peak of where they will ever be. Akron is just starting.You can enjoy the ride with us, or watch us from below. Your choice.

[LosAngelesZipFan]

The Toledo guy makes some good points, but I don't think it should limit our thinking. Please understand that for those of us hardy souls that have supported the Zips in various ways, these are extremely exciting times so forgive us for letting our enthusiasm run wild a bit. Toledo is a very solid program, certainly one of the top in the MAC. For one, I think UA should immediately emulate your scheduling. And I think it would be great for the MAC to get an Akron and Toledo rivalry going.If, and it is a HUGE if, Akron really got in gear and got NEOhio charged up and behind the program, the U would definitely out grow the MAC in a way Toledo has not been able to. That is what we are really aspiring to do, and you can't blame us from dreaming about it and possibly demonstrating the support that would need to be in place to make it a reality.None of this takes anything away from Toledo and the fine program that has been built there. I have now read a bunch of posts from Rocket fans essentially bad-mouthing Akron in one way or another. I think the seeds are there for a good rivalry, but I must say it is confusing why a Rocket fan would need to go out of there way to talk smack here...

[xu9697]

The Toledo fan is a little full of himself. What he does not understand is that building a new stadium does not just relate to this year (only in part). It is more about the campus improvement and what an ON-CAMPUS stadium would mean. Once he understands that, he'll be fine.

[JP Morgan]

Didn't I see this same post about a month ago after we won the MACC?

It is good to dream but you have to be realistic. If you bite off more than you can chew, you create a black hole of debt and unmet expectations. Learn to win. Learn to get good crowds with what you have. A bigger stadium at Akron will be a joke. You MUST be happy to be winning MAC titles and anything bigger is an added bonus.

Thanks for bringing us back to reality The "joke" is on you man......Akron is moving up and you better be scared......real scared. I appreciate you giving us a model for success.........but we'll follow our own course thank you.

[danalleman]

I think he has fieldhouse envy. Hate it or love it, the underdog's on top. :macc:

[GP1]

Toledo is the program everyone wants to be? Until last season, Marshall was the team in the MAC everyone wanted to be. Now, everyone in the MAC wantst to be Akron.

[niu007]

I have been reading your other posts about next year and about new stadiums, etc..  I think you guys need to keep it realistic.First of all, congrats on winning the MAC.  But one MAC Championship does not make a "program".  You guys need to learn how to win consistently and pack the stadium that you have before you start getting too big for your britches.A lot of Toledo fans talk the same unrealistic stuff...bigger stadium, BCS teams, another conference...We have the top program in the MAC.  Toledo is the program by which all other programs measure themselves.  We are the first MAC school to ever host a Big-10 school.  We hold the MAC records for season and single game attendance.  We are battling for the MAC title year-in and year-out and going to bowls nearly every year and still holding a top-3 MAC standard for attendance.  Yet, we are not in a position to be building a 30,000+ seat stadium.Toledo is in a position to have the most expensive season and single game ticket prices in the MAC, by far, and still fill the stadium because we have a 26,000 seat stadium.  You guys need something like what we have:  #1 stadium in the conference, on campus, 26,000+ seats, largest press box in the country for any level of football.  You create a demand.  We have NEVER had an empty luxury suite and it is 10,000 a year for each suite.  We put a great team on the field every year, not just once in a lifetime.It is good to dream but you have to be realistic.  If you bite off more than you can chew, you create a black hole of debt and unmet expectations.  Learn to win.  Learn to get good crowds with what you have.  A bigger stadium at Akron will be a joke.  You MUST be happy to be winning MAC titles and anything bigger is an added bonus.

The "old Akron"...the one everyone lumped in with Can't...is dead. Deal with it. Fear the Roo.

We hear this kind of stuff from Toledo fans on our board all the time. We're nowhere close to what high and mighty Toledo has done.

[Quickzips]

Thanks for the advice, we will keep that in mind. I have to wonder though, why you are even checking here in the first place let alone posting? Ohh and by the way, what do you think of the pipedream talk of Toledo running to the Big Least in the next two years?

[Zips fan]

Akron does have more potential to bring in fans than Toledo. Toledo has been successful and their stadium is the perfect size for their university, city, and surrounding population. They fill their stadium and people must get tickets before games rather than walk up and expect tickets to be available. The University of Akron does need to be careful not to overbuild something that we can not fill, but Northeast Ohio does have a larger population base. The city of Akron and city of Toledo are similiar in size as well as universities themselves; however, Akron does have a huge advantage on surrounding population base. Toledo must compete with BGSU for neighboring fans, as well as Columbus State and UM. Akron competes with Can't who has a horrible tradition and Columbus State. The ability to have fans from Canton, Cleveland, and Youngstown is simply not an option for Toledo. A winning Akron program has the potential to be Northeast Ohio's team. Yes, Toledo is a successful program that hit a homerun with a 26,000 seat stadium. Matches the interest of the area and allow the program to sell out. I think that Akron has the ability to be a bigger draw. I feel that a 30,000 seat stadium that includes loges is a smart start. We do need to plan a stadium for growth when that occurs. Build something we can fill now or at least 90% capacity and expansion should occur when we can show a need for 30,000+.

[GP1]

ToledoRockets did make one good point and that is the average ticket price is up at Toledo because of a small stadium. Supply and demand at work. If Akron builds a 30,000 seat stadium and they sell out, they can raise the ticket price and ask for more money for the foundation for really good seats. More money for the school and program is a good thing.

[ToledoRockets]

You guys crack me up. I guess that is why it is Crackron.I said this a long time ago that you guys should be proud of the improvements made, but don't get ahead of yourselves. That is exactly what happened to WMU back in the late 90's. One good year and they thought they were going to light the world on fire. Their fans started talking about big time schools going to their stadium, they dumped so much money into their football program that it killed their athletic department and they had to cut a bunch of sports. It was a flush in the pan year.Next year is going to be a rough one...at Penn State (L)at NCSU or BC Game (L)vs IAA (W)Miami (L)BGSU (L)Ohio (W)Can't State (W)Buffalo (W)my guess on crossovers:NIU (L)Toledo (L)Eastern Michigan (W)That puts you guys at 5-7 (4-4). Avg home attendance in 2006? with a BC game you'll average 16,000, without, 13,000.If the Toledo game is a crossover, it will be at Toledo for sure.

[Quickzips]

Yeah, you crack us up too. Akron losing to BG this year? The only legit talent they MIGHT return would be Omar. Until they figure out how to play D they are gonna struggle to beat people next year even with him. Miami? Well it is about time that we've broken through and gotten the W over them. They lose a lot of talent this year too. NIU couldn't beat us once this year, what makes them beat us next year? Toledo I'll hold judgement on until I see your new QB play in some games (and don't give me this crap that Getsy did just fine filing in for Frye and it shows that you can replace your star QB, We had plenty of struggles this year with Luke at QB). Penn State may be vulnerable next year with a lot of graduating seniors and a swelled head after their turn around this year. NC State if that game were to happen doesn't scare me that much. BC would be a tough game but if it is in Akron then that closes the gap there. By the way? What is your assessment of what Toledo is worth? You guys really moving to the BE here?

[GP1]

Next year is going to be a rough one...at Penn State (L)at NCSU or BC Game (L)vs IAA (W)Miami (L)BGSU (L)Ohio (W)Can't State (W)Buffalo (W)my guess on crossovers:NIU (L)Toledo (L)Eastern Michigan (W)That puts you guys at 5-7 (4-4). Avg home attendance in 2006? with a BC game you'll average 16,000, without, 13,000.If the Toledo game is a crossover, it will be at Toledo for sure.

If this is our schedule next year, the Zips win seven easy. I think they beat Miami and BUGS. They split with NIU and Toledo. That's eight wins, but an upset will give them seven with a 6-2 MAC East record. The MAC East will be soft next year. Early prediction is we'll see everyone in Detroit for the MACC and with the crowd we took to Detroit, Alabama won't be that bad in December.In ToledoRockets usually moronic way, he provides locations for NIU and Toledo game. I doubt this schedule happens though. Akron was screwed with road games to Miami and BUGS this year and I would like to think the league wouldn't do that again. I also don't think they will have us play NIU for a fourth time in three years next year. Toledo is a possibility and probably at Toledo for a Tuesday or Wednesday game. The more logical choice is CMU on the road since they came to Akron last year. Look out for CMU next year! They seem to be getting their ducks in a row.As far as attendance, ToledoRockets once again proves he is a truely stupid person. Akron averaged more than 13,000 this season with a team that at times didn't give the fans much to cheer about. The Zips will do much better next year drawing people to games.Maybe ToledoRockets is stupid from looking up at NIU and Akron for the past few weeks and he is a little dizzy. My advice would be to get used to lookinig up at Akron who you may want to start referring to as Daddy from now on.

[ToledoRockets]

Obviously this guy does not know how things work. Forst of all, the MAC did not "screw" you guys with road games at Miami and BGSU. They are in your division so, obviously, next year those will be home games. You see, in your division, you play home and away match-ups.Secondly, the East is ALWAYS weak. That is the only reason you guys played in the MAC Championship game in the first place.As far as attendance goes, you guys had a MUST win game at home versus your arch-rival and you still can't get more than 5-6,000 fans to come and watch. Your fan support and attendance are terrible. You had NIU at home opener and got a whopping 15,000. You follow that win up with a staggering 10,000 for CMU. Your 22-0 loss to lowly Army brought in 12,000. You then bring in Ohio and pack the stands with 7,500 and your arch-rival total was 8,900. WOW! I am not sure what kind of math they teach at Crackron, but that is an average of 10,700.You talk about beating Miami next year when you got crushed by them this year. You talk about easy wins over Buffalo and you beat them 13-6 this year.All this talk about BCS games and 40,000 seat stadiums is a joke.If Toledo plays Akron, it will likely be an ESPN game because it will pit the preseason West Champion vs. the Defending MAC Champion. It will NOT be at Akron because they want there to be people in the stands. That game at Toledo will draw a sellout. That game at Akron will be 18,000 if you are lucky.You guys are so new to actually winning anything, you do not even know how things work at this level.

[AK-Zips]

Obviously this guy does not know how things work. Forst of all, the MAC did not "screw" you guys with road games at Miami and BGSU. They are in your division so, obviously, next year those will be home games. You see, in your division, you play home and away match-ups.Secondly, the East is ALWAYS weak. That is the only reason you guys played in the MAC Championship game in the first place.As far as attendance goes, you guys had a MUST win game at home versus your arch-rival and you still can't get more than 5-6,000 fans to come and watch. Your fan support and attendance are terrible. You had NIU at home opener and got a whopping 15,000. You follow that win up with a staggering 10,000 for CMU. Your 22-0 loss to lowly Army brought in 12,000. You then bring in Ohio and pack the stands with 7,500 and your arch-rival total was 8,900. WOW! I am not sure what kind of math they teach at Crackron, but that is an average of 10,700.You talk about beating Miami next year when you got crushed by them this year. You talk about easy wins over Buffalo and you beat them 13-6 this year.All this talk about BCS games and 40,000 seat stadiums is a joke.If Toledo plays Akron, it will likely be an ESPN game because it will pit the preseason West Champion vs. the Defending MAC Champion. It will NOT be at Akron because they want there to be people in the stands. That game at Toledo will draw a sellout. That game at Akron will be 18,000 if you are lucky.You guys are so new to actually winning anything, you do not even know how things work at this level.

So are you jealous of us winning three MAC titles this fall to your how many, or are you just upset about your small penis?By the way... we are the football :macc: and you certainly are NOT! Enjoy looking the trophy that we hold now!

[GoZips]

Its time to set a couple of points straight.TwoLeeDew Sprocket your facts are wrong. Akron lost to Army 20-0.Attendance of the Can't State game on Thanksgiving morning (kudosto ESPN for this rediculous time slot) was mitigated by the fact that the game was played in a raging blizzard. That nearly 9,000 soulsbraved that weather is IMPRESSIVE. Got that?It is estimated that about 15,000 Zips fans made the trip to the MotorCity Bowl. A distance of 180 miles. TwoLeeDew is a mere 55 milesfrom Detroit. TwoLeeDew never put 15,000 of their fans in Ford Fieldseats for the MCB. Never. Don't bullship us.TwoLeeDew from the "strong" west division finished second to NorthernIllinois by virtue of LOSING to NIU 35-17 at home. Not in DeKalb, in thebroken Glass Bowl. 35-17 is generally considered an ass kicking. In fact,losing 35-17 at home is an ass kicking in anybody's book, even yours.Lowly, unworthy, undermanned, out gunned Zippys BEAT (as in defeated)mighty western division chanpion Northern Illinois not once, but TWICEto earn their trip to the Motor City Bowl.What is your facking problem? The suggestion that you suffer from aninfantile penis may be on the mark.Fear the Roo ... !!!

[GP1]

Obviously this guy does not know how things work. Forst of all, the MAC did not "screw" you guys with road games at Miami and BGSU. They are in your division so, obviously, next year those will be home games. You see, in your division, you play home and away match-ups.Secondly, the East is ALWAYS weak. That is the only reason you guys played in the MAC Championship game in the first place.As far as attendance goes, you guys had a MUST win game at home versus your arch-rival and you still can't get more than 5-6,000 fans to come and watch. Your fan support and attendance are terrible. You had NIU at home opener and got a whopping 15,000. You follow that win up with a staggering 10,000 for CMU. Your 22-0 loss to lowly Army brought in 12,000. You then bring in Ohio and pack the stands with 7,500 and your arch-rival total was 8,900. WOW! I am not sure what kind of math they teach at Crackron, but that is an average of 10,700.You talk about beating Miami next year when you got crushed by them this year. You talk about easy wins over Buffalo and you beat them 13-6 this year.All this talk about BCS games and 40,000 seat stadiums is a joke.If Toledo plays Akron, it will likely be an ESPN game because it will pit the preseason West Champion vs. the Defending MAC Champion. It will NOT be at Akron because they want there to be people in the stands. That game at Toledo will draw a sellout. That game at Akron will be 18,000 if you are lucky.You guys are so new to actually winning anything, you do not even know how things work at this level.

Look Einstein, we all know how scheduling works and teams playing at alternating fields. I know how you think football was invented at Toledo, but those of us here in Akron aren't your little students to teach lessons. My point was BUGS could have been scheduled at Akron this season. Do we have an advantage next year, of course. Look, the MAC offices hate Akron and if you ask anyone in the Athletic Department, they will tell you the same thing. Now that Akron has proven it can take a large crowd to a bowl game, they should ease up on giving us the shaft. I'd love to continue to win just to stick it up the ass of the Commissioner.I wonder if you thought the MAC East was weak when Marshall and Miami were winning it year after year?All that matters is what happens on the field, and this I know for sure. Akron beat that overrated team (NIU) from the overrated Division (MAC West) twice this season. We have a trophy in our building to prove it. Don't think for one second that we all sit over here scared of the MAC West. The "C" in MAC West stands for chokers. Maybe Toledo Tom could win a hot dog eating contest and bring a championship trophy home. 2005 isn't over yet. How long do you think his whistle would last if it was made of butter?Since you are all knowing about how "things at this level work", how are the rest of your athletic programs doing? In the fall alone, we won the MAC East football, the MAC Championship game in football, went to the final eight in the European football and our gals won the MAC Cross Country Championship. I think Akron is operating at a pretty high level, can you say the same thing? Or are you just going to go on and on about how many people go to UT games? If you ask me, I'm glad we don't operate at your low level. Fear the Roo bitch.

[ToledoRockets]

First of all, show me where there was an estimated 15,000 people from Akron that went to that game. The official attendance for the game was 45,000. If you guys had 8,000 fans I would be shocked.If you had ever been to the MCB before, you would know that Toledo has been the biggest draw for that game. Last year, there were over 20,000 Toledo fans at that game. The ENTIRE home side was in blue and gold. The official attendance for that game is the current MCB record of over 52,000.You guys also drew a pathetic crowd for the MAC Championship game! Toledo brought over 18,000 fans to the MAC Championship game in 2004. Again, the entire home side was blue and gold.Watching the crowd shots on TV this year, there were random crowds of gold and blue at the MCB and the MAC Championship game.Make all the excuses you want about Thnanksgiving morning and bad weather. Your excuses are your own. Other than saying you lost to Army 22-0 instead of 20-0, it is impossible to find anything inaccurate in my posts. You guys just do not want to hear the truth. You want to live in lala land. Since you can't point to anything I have said as inaccurate, you resort to name calling and giving me the high school comebacks.Facts are the facts. Yes, you won a watered down MAC Championship. I am saying that it takes more than one decent season to start talking about being a great program and 40,000 fans a game and BCS teams, etc. You guys are 13-11 over the last two years and 53-72 over the last 10 years. You couldn't sell out your own stadium unless Youngstown State came to town and brought their fans. As a matter of fact, your average attendance this year, your only MAC Championship year ever, was your worst year for attendance since 1999!

[msopher]

Why do you idiots continue to acknowledge ToledoRockets posts? Please ignore him. He's a jackass, plain and simple.

[Hilltopper]

Troll!!!!! :macc:

[Buckzip]

Toledo troll. Why are you even here?Go back to scUM south, and hang out in your own place.Maybe you are just a little jealous...

[Ryno aka Menace]

where do you guys get 45K in attendance ESPN has it as this...A crowd of 50,616 attended the game in Ford Field, where the Super Bowl will be played in less than six weekshttp://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/recap?gameId=253602006and if you look at any picture of the game it looks like the entire stadium is blue and gold with 2 sections of memphis fans!!

[zipboy]

Ryno, 50K was paid attendance, 45K was who showed up through the turnstiles. The UA sold 9850 ticket the total allotment from bowl officials. Other fans had to buy their tickets at Ford Field. Since 45K showed up, Memphis brough maybe 2K, I estimate our crowd at 15-20K and the other 22-27K to be local fans.All in all a great showing of support. It remains to be seen how we travel to bowls in the south, but I have to imagine that the MCB would clamor to get us back next year.