taxpayer Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 The bball season is still aways away but College Sports Madness recently began their annual predictions/previews.... A few familiar faces: #140 Ball State #131 Valparaiso #120 Dayton #116 Drake #110 Miami of Ohio Where will the Zips be? Link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 The bball season is still aways away but College Sports Madness recently began their annual predictions/previews.... A few familiar faces: #140 Ball State #131 Valparaiso #120 Dayton #116 Drake #110 Miami of Ohio Where will the Zips be? Link The correct link. Does this mean we're in the Top 102? Yippee! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 Where will the Zips be?Tim Carroll said we'll be in the top 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derrt Posted August 2, 2011 Report Share Posted August 2, 2011 maybe 75 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
72 Roo Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 maybe 75 I like your truth. Top 75 sounds good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 maybe 75 I like your truth. Top 75 sounds good! Or number 145 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Amazing ... This is the BEST group of talent ever to suit up at Akron and we have people projecting the Zips at 75th best and even not in the top 144. You folks even Zips fans? The 2011-12 Zips will delight all of us. Wait and see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Amazing ... This is the BEST group of talent ever to suit up at Akron and we have people projecting the Zips at 75th best and even not in the top 144. You folks even Zips fans? The 2011-12 Zips will delight all of us. Wait and see. So are you willing to go as far as we're this year's Butler? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Amazing ... This is the BEST group of talent ever to suit up at Akron and we have people projecting the Zips at 75th best and even not in the top 144. You folks even Zips fans? The 2011-12 Zips will delight all of us. Wait and see. GoZips....I dig your enthusiasm. I know you're still hoping this is a Top-16 team. I wish for that as well... in my dreams. These numbers don't matter much. We still need to win games. But, I think most people are just being realistic. Personally, after losing 4 very experienced players last year, I'll be thrilled if we are anywhere in the Top 100. That alone would be an acknowledgement that people think we could have the potential to replace those guys with our incoming players. A national championship caliber team this season would be beyond anything I could possibly imagine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 There's a pretty big gap between number 145 and Top-16. Just a guess here, but I'll bet most people reading this thread believe that the current edition of the Zips will finish the season somewhere between numbers 16 and 145. Splitting the difference right down the middle would put the Zips at about number 80. Optimists will see the Zips somewhere between 16 and 80 while pessimists will see them between 80 and 145. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Ones guess depends on one's access to information about the team. The more you know, the more accurate your guess can be. Also, its not about where these publications rate us, but where we finish. And I say we'll finish ranked somewhere between #25 and #15. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Ones guess depends on one's access to information about the team. The more you know, the more accurate your guess can be. Also, its not about where these publications rate us, but where we finish. And I say we'll finish ranked somewhere between #25 and #15. Check out Zach on the bandwagon early! Welcome aboard! B) B) Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Ones guess depends on one's access to information about the team. The more you know, the more accurate your guess can be. Also, its not about where these publications rate us, but where we finish. And I say we'll finish ranked somewhere between #25 and #15. Whoa! Looks like another one ready to join GoZips in the "national championship contender" category. GoZips...what was that line again? "Anything short of Top 16 will be a disappointment"? What alcoholic beverage do both of you guys prefer? I want to start drinking what you guys are drinking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 It's a looong way from being a top-16 team to being a national championship contender. I would argue that there's a bigger gap between #1 and #16 ranking than there is between last year's Zips squad and the #16 ranking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Not that I think it is a reflection of the type of team we have, but knowing the way the writers of these lists tend to work, it wouldn't entirely surprise me if we don't even make the top 144. These types of lists tend to take into account two main things, how you did the previous season, and how much you lost. While the Zips had another 20 win season and an NCAA birth, they were a 15 seed in the big dance and didn't even have a first round bye in the conference tournament. Plus we have a lot of roster turnover including losing our entire starting backcourt. I don't expect it, and I don't think it would be a reflection of how good this team is going to be, but it wouldn't completely shock me if we don't make the list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Not that I think it is a reflection of the type of team we have, but knowing the way the writers of these lists tend to work, it wouldn't entirely surprise me if we don't even make the top 144. These types of lists tend to take into account two main things, how you did the previous season, and how much you lost. While the Zips had another 20 win season and an NCAA birth, they were a 15 seed in the big dance and didn't even have a first round bye in the conference tournament. Plus we have a lot of roster turnover including losing our entire starting backcourt. I don't expect it, and I don't think it would be a reflection of how good this team is going to be, but it wouldn't completely shock me if we don't make the list. So it wouldn't surprise you for the zips to be rated worse than BSU & Miami? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 It's a looong way from being a top-16 team to being a national championship contender. I would argue that there's a bigger gap between #1 and #16 ranking than there is between last year's Zips squad and the #16 ranking. A Top 16 team would absolutely be a title contender. That would be a #4 seed. Are you saying that Akron becoming a Top-16 team is easier than a #4 beating a #1 seed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quickzips Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Not that I think it is a reflection of the type of team we have, but knowing the way the writers of these lists tend to work, it wouldn't entirely surprise me if we don't even make the top 144. These types of lists tend to take into account two main things, how you did the previous season, and how much you lost. While the Zips had another 20 win season and an NCAA birth, they were a 15 seed in the big dance and didn't even have a first round bye in the conference tournament. Plus we have a lot of roster turnover including losing our entire starting backcourt. I don't expect it, and I don't think it would be a reflection of how good this team is going to be, but it wouldn't completely shock me if we don't make the list. So it wouldn't surprise you for the zips to be rated worse than BSU & Miami? Not based on what I've seen in the past out of some of these "rankings". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The best ranking number for a Zips team in recent years that I can find is from the 2004-2005 season, when the Zips finished with an RPI rating of 60. So, for me, that's the magic number that needs to be beaten to qualify the current edition of the team as the strongest in recent years. So, after the Zips finished last season with an RPI of 101, do the optimists believe that a better-than-60 RPI is a lock for 2011-2012? Would the pessimists bet against it? Obviously, all the numbers can be thrown out the window if the Zips underperform during the regular season, then catch fire in the MAC and NCAA tournaments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 For what it is worth department. These folks have Miami as number three in the MAC. Now, one might be inclined to put Akron and Cant as the one and two teams. That would be my view. However, Ball State is ranked fourth. Which frankly is logically the second best team in the west. I say this because Western Michigan returns all five of their starters from a team that went 21-13 last season. Now how is Ball State going to leap frog WMU? Could these folks put WMU as one of the two top teams in the MAC? Perhaps they rank Cant as number one. All this leaves the Zips as the odd team out. How sweet that would be. Naw, coaches know darn well that Akron can not sneak up on anyone. Maybe these writers are stupid, lazy or both. We will soon know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 The best ranking number for a Zips team in recent years that I can find is from the 2004-2005 season, when the Zips finished with an RPI rating of 60. So, for me, that's the magic number that needs to be beaten to qualify the current edition of the team as the strongest in recent years. So, after the Zips finished last season with an RPI of 101, do the optimists believe that a better-than-60 RPI is a lock for 2011-2012? Would the pessimists bet against it? Obviously, all the numbers can be thrown out the window if the Zips underperform during the regular season, then catch fire in the MAC and NCAA tournaments. I'll be looking at two things... 1) Can the new guys come along fast enough to replace the players we lost, therefore giving us the possibility that we could equal or exceed last year's national standing? I would be happy if that happened. 2) Can those new guys completely exceed expectations, and come along really fast, and possibly make us a much better team than last year? We're in Canada this summer because we haven't been challenged in recent years with this much personnel loss at the same time. So, it's a big task if we wish to get well under that #100 mark. KD should be a National Coach of the Year candidate if he can make that happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Well, down to 101 and still no Akron. Can they really be ranking an NCAA team 145 or worse? I think we probably have to rank higher than Coastal Carolina. But you never know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I'm fairly impressed by the insight of the writer (Joel Welser). From his detailed comments about Miami and Ball State, it actually sounds as if he's spent more than a few minutes looking into the teams. It's important to note that Welser still ranks Miami 3rd in the MAC after losing Ballard, Winbush and McHenry. That's arguably a comparable loss of talent to what the Zips suffered, and the Zips certainly ranked higher than Miami at the end of last season. I wouldn't be surprised if last season's MAC regular season champs (Can't) and MAC tourney champs (Zips) are ranked right next to each other somewhere in the 90s. I expect the order will be dictated by just how impressed Welser is with the Zips transfers and first-year college players, who some of our forum members have seen in practice and appear to be impressed with. I'm really more interested in what Welser has to say about the new Zips players than where he ranks us in the top 144. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I'm fairly impressed by the insight of the writer (Joel Welser). From his detailed comments about Miami and Ball State, it actually sounds as if he's spent more than a few minutes looking into the teams. It's important to note that Welser still ranks Miami 3rd in the MAC after losing Ballard, Winbush and McHenry. That's arguably a comparable loss of talent to what the Zips suffered, and the Zips certainly ranked higher than Miami at the end of last season. I wouldn't be surprised if last season's MAC regular season champs (Can't) and MAC tourney champs (Zips) are ranked right next to each other somewhere in the 90s. I expect the order will be dictated by just how impressed Welser is with the Zips transfers and first-year college players, who some of our forum members have seen in practice and appear to be impressed with. I'm really more interested in what Welser has to say about the new Zips players than where he ranks us in the top 144. Interesting comparison. If you look at Miami and Akron playing in an overtime game in the MAC tourney, the fact that they were almost identical in RPI at the end of the year, and that their personnel losses were somewhat equally comparable, where does that put Akron in relations to Miami's present 110 ranking? That probably leaves our additions vs. Miami's additions as the only variable in which to consider. So, if he puts us in the top 100, obviously he feels more highly of our additions. If we end up out of the Top 144, then we know he feels otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 I've never seen so much speculation and discussion regarding something so worthless and irrelevant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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