Cinci game

[Lee Adams]

I have one burning question.What is the point of burning red shirts when you are down 49-0 at half of the 3rd game of your toughest 3 game streak of the season? What does that gain your team when you have been outscored 131 - 3 at that point? I'm serious, can someone please explain how this would help the team???

Trying to send a message to the rest of the team that if they don't perform better they will lose their jobs to freshmen? Dunno, Rifle. I am grasping at straws. Looks like RI pressed the panic button.

Good enough for me.Second question. Now I was listening to the game on the radio, but did Nicely do that bad? Seemed like he had quite a few dropped passes and his INT was because he got blind sided. Was he really doing that bad that Moore was needed to come back in? Frenchie can be a huge homer so sometimes things are sugar coated quite a bit, anybody watch the game?

You touched on a good point. The media,including the 2 guys on 1350 and the Beacon need to start calling this for what it is. You can question what the coach is doing without resorting to personal attacks. Time to start.

[Dave in Green]

Moore was 16 of 30 for 213 yards with 3 interceptions and 2 touchdowns.Nicely was 1 of 6 for 7 yards and 1 interception.Pick your poison.

[akron football]

Moore was 16 of 30 for 213 yards with 3 interceptions and 2 touchdowns.Nicely was 1 of 6 for 7 yards and 1 interception.Pick your poison.

the 1 for 6 would have been 5 for 6 if the recievers catch the ball don't even try to spin this thing. The buckeye game should have been 2 for 3, temple 6 for 7 with all the drops. They need to find recievers that can catch. Moore can't hold Nicely's jock strap. he's a Div2 QB at best!!

[ZachTheZip]

I have to believe Ianello doesn't really have any idea why the team is playing this badly.

There you have it. He and his staff (and the players that have bought in) truly and honestly believe that they're "this close" to flipping on the switch and winning. They think that the practices are going great, and that they're doing everything outside of showing up on gameday that you need to do to win. They really are confused as to why it's not working.What they fail to see is that the problem is systemic. They don't make the connection that if you're getting killed in games, you're probably not doing everything right in other areas.

[Zipmeister]

I don't thing my last post deserved to be removed. I didn't say ball sacks, I said scrotum.

Zipmeister, I think you're losing it. Your scrotum comment was in another thread.

No. I made that comment in the thread where everyone is calling for the head of icoach.......oh wait...my bad........they are doing that in every thread.

[Dr Z]

Now I was listening to the game on the radio, but did Nicely do that bad?

I know nothing, but I would be surprised if PN7 did not transfer.

[ZipsAlum92]

There was nothing positive about the Cinci game. Ianello can try to spin it any way he wants, but bottom line is that they got thumped badly. Sure, they managed to put a few points on the board, but it wasn't until the third quarter when Cinci was putting in kids that probably won't see the field the rest of the season. Meanwhile, Akron was burning red shirts and doing nothing to improve themselves for the rest of the season.

[Captain Kangaroo]

I have one burning question.What is the point of burning red shirts when you are down 49-0 at half of the 3rd game of your toughest 3 game streak of the season? What does that gain your team when you have been outscored 131 - 3 at that point? I'm serious, can someone please explain how this would help the team???

Because the upper-classmen were sucking hiney and the Freshman are better?Ianello is trying to get better, and people are complaining? If he DIDN'T burn some redshirts, I'd have been pissed. It was the first time in his UA career he got fed up, and veered from his 5 Year Master Plan.

[ZachTheZip]

I have one burning question.What is the point of burning red shirts when you are down 49-0 at half of the 3rd game of your toughest 3 game streak of the season? What does that gain your team when you have been outscored 131 - 3 at that point? I'm serious, can someone please explain how this would help the team???

Because the upper-classmen were sucking hiney and the Freshman are better?Ianello is trying to get better, and people are complaining? If he DIDN'T burn some redshirts, I'd have been pissed. It was the first time in his UA career he got fed up, and veered from his 5 Year Master Plan.

CK has it right. Why keep inneffective upperclassmen on the field when you have someone who might possibly be better sitting on the bench? It's not like they could have done worse so why not see what you have.If Ianello really is a good recruiter, then the redshirts probably should have been on the field to begin with.

[Blue & Gold]

ABJ article on the Cincy abominationFunniest RI quote: "There are some things we have to tweak,..."

[Buckzip]

What redshirts were burned? I only noiticed Switzer.

[akron football]

Ianello needs to eat some crow and make PN7 the starter or this season is over!

[Big Zip]

I think Ianello will keep Moore if only to see him play against lesser teams. If he stinks the joint up against VMI then I am sure he will put PN7 back in.

[Roo]

Moore was 16 of 30 for 213 yards with 3 interceptions and 2 touchdowns.Nicely was 1 of 6 for 7 yards and 1 interception.Pick your poison.

the 1 for 6 would have been 5 for 6 if the recievers catch the ball don't even try to spin this thing. The buckeye game should have been 2 for 3, temple 6 for 7 with all the drops. They need to find recievers that can catch. Moore can't hold Nicely's jock strap. he's a Div2 QB at best!!

lol...yes. It's the OL. Oh wait, it's the WRs. Oh shoot, got it wrong again...it's the bad coaching. Whatever excuse there is, you PN7 apologists give it for Nicely. But none of those problems exist when Moore is the QB right?Comical.

[akronzips71]

As I stated before, the OL can NOT protect a pocket QB. Moore needs a different, more fluid offense to have any chance of success.

[Dave in Green]

Ianello needs to eat some crow and make PN7 the starter or this season is over!

You must have missed my direct question to you in one of the other threads as you never responded to it, so I'll copy and paste it here:So, akron football, could you please expand a little on how you've reached the irrevocable conclusion that Nicely is clearly superior to Moore.You say that the only reason Nicely can't get more completions is because the receivers drop his passes. Would this not apply equally to receivers dropping Moore's passes?Or, if receivers are catching passes from Moore and dropping similar passes from Nicely, what's the reason? Is it that Moore's throws are weak and Nicely's are too hot for them to handle? Is it that they like Moore and want to catch his passes and don't like Nicely and deliberately drop his passes?Seriously. I'm open to hearing your rationale for posting all the one-liners about Nicely = good, Moore = bad.I'm really open to any thoughtful arguments.

[akronzips71]

Dave, we don't always agree, but in this case...I don't see PN7 being better, and if we had Manning (either) on the field it would not help. This is a ship with no captain.

[insidereddy]

PSA- this is not an attack of anyone, just a reminderFirst off, this team isnt that far off from being good. I know a few people that are around and involved with team. Being a former D-1 FB player I know how hard it is to go to work everyday and punish your body and to show up on saturdays and get whooped. Its not fun and it never seems rewarding at the time for obvious reasons. Its even worse to know a bunch a "ignorant wanna be football players "are trashing you when you put your heart and soul into what you are doing, this is just a reminder that NONE of you know whats going on in these kids heads and coaches minds.

[Zipsrifle]

I have one burning question.What is the point of burning red shirts when you are down 49-0 at half of the 3rd game of your toughest 3 game streak of the season? What does that gain your team when you have been outscored 131 - 3 at that point? I'm serious, can someone please explain how this would help the team???

Because the upper-classmen were sucking hiney and the Freshman are better?Ianello is trying to get better, and people are complaining? If he DIDN'T burn some redshirts, I'd have been pissed. It was the first time in his UA career he got fed up, and veered from his 5 Year Master Plan.

I guess my logic was that you are way, way down at half and really have no chance of winning the game. Also, it is the end of your toughest 3 game stretch of the season and next week you have what should be your best chance for a victory all year. Why not wait and start these guys next week or at least what happens next week and burn the red shirt THEN if things aren't working out. It seemed like an act of desperation, going against (AHEM) "Well thought out plans" in a moment of panic. the ONLY benefit I can find is that the decision was made at half that these guys were going to start the rest of the year and we better get these guys some time against "high" level competition as this might be the last chance this season. I'm not against burning a red shirt, it just didn't seem like a rational time to do it, the game was over.

[UA Fan]

DISGRACEFULL!!! How can TW and Dr Proenza let this go on? Again one has to wonder what if we had spent the 80+million we spent on the Info and the Stile fieldhouse and built an arena instead...........

TW is one thing, but Dr Proenza seems like he does not care.

That's what disappoints me the most. At this point, he needs to show his face to what Zips fans there are and make a statement of some sort. In fact, he should be standing at the Infocision entrance this Saturday personally thanking all those who show up. Hiding is not leadership.

[Big Zip]

Was reminded last night I have a golf outing I'm playing in next Saturday. Have to say I was planning on going to the game, but after the debacle we've had with these guys I'm okay with playing in the golf outing. I'm going to try to give away my tickets, but can't imagine I'll be able to do it.

[UAZipster0305]

DISGRACEFULL!!! How can TW and Dr Proenza let this go on? Again one has to wonder what if we had spent the 80+million we spent on the Info and the Stile fieldhouse and built an arena instead...........

TW is one thing, but Dr Proenza seems like he does not care.

That's what disappoints me the most. At this point, he needs to show his face to what Zips fans there are and make a statement of some sort. In fact, he should be standing at the Infocision entrance this Saturday personally thanking all those who show up. Hiding is not leadership.

Just because he isn't visibly micromanaging doesn't mean he isn't leading. We have LP to thank for the new stadium and support of the football program. LP could have killed the football program before the new stadium was built, and I believe there was talk of this because of the lack of our success at the D-1A level and the cost of a new stadium. That didn't happen though. We have LP to thank for a greatly increased overall support of the Department of Athletics and all the facilities enhancements that have happened as a result. I guarantee LP was instrumental in keeping Coach Porter here long term...and Coach Dambrot.Until LP comes out publicly and says TW is running the ship (which won't happen), you have no right to question his leadership. Things like this debacle are handled behind closed doors, and that's still leadership...in fact, I would say it is the most crucial kind of leadership. Being a leader when everything is going well is easy.

[Doug Snyder]

DISGRACEFULL!!! How can TW and Dr Proenza let this go on? Again one has to wonder what if we had spent the 80+million we spent on the Info and the Stile fieldhouse and built an arena instead...........

TW is one thing, but Dr Proenza seems like he does not care.

That's what disappoints me the most. At this point, he needs to show his face to what Zips fans there are and make a statement of some sort. In fact, he should be standing at the Infocision entrance this Saturday personally thanking all those who show up. Hiding is not leadership.

Just because he isn't visibly micromanaging doesn't mean he isn't leading. We have LP to thank for the new stadium and support of the football program. LP could have killed the football program before the new stadium was built, and I believe there was talk of this because of the lack of our success at the D-1A level and the cost of a new stadium. That didn't happen though. We have LP to thank for a greatly increased overall support of the Department of Athletics and all the facilities enhancements that have happened as a result. I guarantee LP was instrumental in keeping Coach Porter here long term...and Coach Dambrot.Until LP comes out publicly and says TW is running the ship (which won't happen), you have no right to question his leadership. Things like this debacle are handled behind closed doors, and that's still leadership...in fact, I would say it is the most crucial kind of leadership. Being a leader when everything is going well is easy.

Well said (or written)

[Dr Z]

First off, this team isnt that far off from being good.

"Far" & "good" are relative terms, so technically I guess you are probably correct. I may have my sights set too high.

[skip-zip]

Ianello needs to eat some crow and make PN7 the starter or this season is over!

You must have missed my direct question to you in one of the other threads as you never responded to it, so I'll copy and paste it here:So, akron football, could you please expand a little on how you've reached the irrevocable conclusion that Nicely is clearly superior to Moore.You say that the only reason Nicely can't get more completions is because the receivers drop his passes. Would this not apply equally to receivers dropping Moore's passes?Or, if receivers are catching passes from Moore and dropping similar passes from Nicely, what's the reason? Is it that Moore's throws are weak and Nicely's are too hot for them to handle? Is it that they like Moore and want to catch his passes and don't like Nicely and deliberately drop his passes?Seriously. I'm open to hearing your rationale for posting all the one-liners about Nicely = good, Moore = bad.I'm really open to any thoughtful arguments.

Dave,That's been going on for two seasons. It's not going to change. Roo makes some good comments too, but I want to address what you've been saying specifically. I think you said last week that Moore wasn't ready to try to carry a bad team on his shoulders. I really think I was seeing a lot of that on Saturday. The over-scrambling got him in trouble a couple of times. Plus, I think he still needs to learn that the timing on those out patterns is just not going to be the same on a Saturday against a Cincinnati defense as they were on a Wednesday against an Akron defense. I think he might be trying to do too much right now, and pulling him out of the game for a couple of series might have been a good decision by the coaches to settle him down a bit. On the flip side, what do you do as a QB when you realize you are on a bad team, and you are a player who is used to winning? I like seeing the fight in him, and that he is trying to make things happen, even thought the OL and WR issues might be worse than ever. Maybe what we saw in the 4th Q. on Saturday can be a good starting point, for both the QB and everyone else, who all need to be accountable to make things work as the team hopefully grows. The next few games against lesser opponents could be a continuation of that Cincinnati 4th Q. If that doesn't start to turn around, then I hope we start to look at other options. Especially at the QB spot, I don't want to see another 2-year long experiment that fails. What I hope to see next Saturday is a team that comes out ready to show what they've learned. I want a repeat of the Morgan State game from two years ago, and not the GW game from last year. That would restore a little bit of my confidence that we might be headed somewhere positive.