Keith Sconiers

[Dr Z]

Sconiers Strives to be Shipshape

Sconiers has 24 receptions for 420 yards and four touchdowns after the first five games of the season.

Keith's average of 84.0 yards per game in receptions now ranks Sconiers fifth in the MAC.

[Captain Kangaroo]

He and Russell were indistinguishable last season. Sconiers has elevated his game a bit, but Russell appears to have leveled-out. Too bad Suel isn't healthy...Sconiers/Suel wouldn't be a bad #1, #2 combo.

Opportunity for Jarrod Dillard to earn some PT. He's getting better too.

[johnnyzip84]

Sconiers has improved all around, but the thing that most stands out to me is his confidence to catch in traffic AND make a play after the catch is made. He's leaps and bounds ahead of last year in this area. Russell has always seemed to be more of a deep threat with better straight line speed. In this respect, his skills are diminished by LR8's lack of arm strength. It seems like both Russell and Price have been open deep this year with the ball well underthrown. I suppose if you just let PN7 "pinch hit" for the long ball (and the deep out, the one play where PN7 truly does have NFL ability), you'd be showing your hand to the defense.

[Blue & Gold]

...Jarrod Dillard...He's getting better too.

+1. He really is!

I didn't think much of him last year - looked far too skinny & timid.

This year he's transformed into a player who really passes the eyeball test, seems more than comfortable on the field, smooth, calm & pretty fast! A really nice combo. Plus he's got good hands. His demeanor on his TD catch over the middle against VMI was spot-on, as if he'd scored 100 TD's before that one. I like him.

Good ol' A.J. Price, on the other hand, looks like it's going to take him a season to adjust.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Sconiers has improved all around, but the thing that most stands out to me is his confidence to catch in traffic AND make a play after the catch is made. He's leaps and bounds ahead of last year in this area. Russell has always seemed to be more of a deep threat with better straight line speed. In this respect, his skills are diminished by LR8's lack of arm strength. It seems like both Russell and Price have been open deep this year with the ball well underthrown. I suppose if you just let PN7 "pinch hit" for the long ball (and the deep out, the one play where PN7 truly does have NFL ability), you'd be showing your hand to the defense.

Good generalization of the QB situation as it relates to the WR's.

LR8 can evade a rush. He can get a 1st down with is feet...although he's no where near an Edelmann-type running threat. His short range passes are "ok." His arm strength is a few yards short of "ok." He gets balls swatted-down too much.

Nicely's accuracy is suspect, but not any worse than LR8 has shown thusfar. He can't make any plays with his feet. But he stands tall in the pocket, and throws a nice deep ball. A few nice deep passes would really loosen-up the defense and help Chisholm's chances of busting some big runs.

LR8 is Ianello's guy. There's no debate. But he's no better or worse than a 2010 Nicely. Just a completely different skill set.

[johnnyzip84]

Perhaps LR8 can compensate for his lack of zip by releasing the deep ball a little earlier. Up to this point, he hasn't been able to make that adjustment.

[Doug Snyder]

Sconiers has improved all around, but the thing that most stands out to me is his confidence to catch in traffic AND make a play after the catch is made. He's leaps and bounds ahead of last year in this area. Russell has always seemed to be more of a deep threat with better straight line speed. In this respect, his skills are diminished by LR8's lack of arm strength. It seems like both Russell and Price have been open deep this year with the ball well underthrown. I suppose if you just let PN7 "pinch hit" for the long ball (and the deep out, the one play where PN7 truly does have NFL ability), you'd be showing your hand to the defense.

I have been at the games and the underthrown balls were 45+ yards down field. Rather than underthrown...I think the ball was thrown a second to late. If you think we are going to get someone to make pinpoint passes 55-60 yards down field...we better be looking for the next Marino or Favre.

[Doug Snyder]

LR8 is Ianello's guy. .

PN7 is CK guy?? You have been a strong and vocal supporter even before the beginning of last season.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Sconiers has improved all around, but the thing that II have been at the games and the underthrown balls were 45+ yards down field. Rather than underthrown...I think the ball was thrown a second to late. If you think we are going to get someone to make pinpoint passes 55-60 yards down field...we better be looking for the next Marino or Favre.

It isn't asking too much to see a D-1 QB throw a nice deep ball. You don't need to be Favre or Marino. Or thread the pass through a donut hole.

LR8 hasn't thrown any decent deep pass this season. That lack of a deep threat hurts our offense.

I don't care if he's throwing late...gets too much air under the ball...throws it too short...<insert whatever deficiency here>.

He's shown no ability to stretch the defense thusfar.

[Doug Snyder]

Sconiers has improved all around, but the thing that II have been at the games and the underthrown balls were 45+ yards down field. Rather than underthrown...I think the ball was thrown a second to late. If you think we are going to get someone to make pinpoint passes 55-60 yards down field...we better be looking for the next Marino or Favre.

It isn't asking too much to see a D-1 QB throw a nice deep ball. You don't need to be Favre or Marino. Or thread the pass through a donut hole.

LR8 hasn't thrown any decent deep pass this season. That lack of a deep threat hurts our offense.

I don't care if he's throwing late...gets too much air under the ball...throws it too short...<insert whatever deficiency here>.

He's shown no ability to stretch the defense thusfar.

http://www.gozips.com/sports/fball/2011-12...ts/teamcume.htm

EMU: Longest Reception 36 yrds, Average yard per throw (including those batted down at line) 5.54

VMI: LR 41, AYPT 7.96

Cincy: LR 51, AYPT 7.10

Average yards per reception:

Sconiers........17.5

Suel..............15.9

Russell...........18.2

Team............13.1

Team LY.........10.7

We look at statistics and come up with different conclusions.

[mes102]

Not a big fan of either quarterback, but what about the first offensive play of the game vs VMI? That wasn't a deep pass?

[Captain Kangaroo]

We look at statistics and come up with different conclusions.

You look at statistics. I look at the game.

[Doug Snyder]

We look at statistics and come up with different conclusions.

You look at statistics. I look at the game.

Since you saw me at the game...I am assuming you think I spend my time hitting on the chicks at the game instead of looking at the game being played.

Trust me…not that many chicks in my section and it is doubtful they would be interested if there were. I do nod off occasionally tho

[Dr Z]

Do your receiver statistics include YAC?

[Captain Kangaroo]

Do your receiver statistics include YAC?

No. A 5 yard catch, with a 20YAC, looks like a "deep" 25 yard completion if you rely on the box score.

Yes, I know it was a rhetorical question. A damn good one.

[Z.I.P.]

Considering what we know thus far about the head coach, to go back to Nicely at this point would be an admission of failure on the part of the coach -- something very unlikely to occur, to say the least. I won't be surprised if he brings in another JC QB for next year.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Considering what we know thus far about the head coach, to go back to Nicely at this point would be an admission of failure on the part of the coach -- something very unlikely to occur, to say the least. I won't be surprised if he brings in another JC QB for next year.

Further straying off the topic of Sconiers (why not...we're actually talking some football for once?)-- I hope Ianello brings in several JUCO's next season. We need "mature/seasoned" help at a lot of key positions. IF we want to win some games in 2012. If we are committed to The Process and wins don't matter...bring in 22 freshman and redshirt 'em all.

[jupitertoo]

Considering what we know thus far about the head coach, to go back to Nicely at this point would be an admission of failure on the part of the coach -- something very unlikely to occur, to say the least. I won't be surprised if he brings in another JC QB for next year.

Further straying off the topic of Sconiers (why not...we're actually talking some football for once?)-- I hope Ianello brings in several JUCO's next season. We need "mature/seasoned" help at a lot of key positions. IF we want to win some games in 2012. If we are committed to The Process and wins don't matter...bring in 22 freshman and redshirt 'em all.

I would think it VERY likely he will bring in multiple jucos next year. The administration might have to force his hand, but it will happen.

[Doug Snyder]

Do your receiver statistics include YAC?

No. A 5 yard catch, with a 20YAC, looks like a "deep" 25 yard completion if you rely on the box score.

Yes, I know it was a rhetorical question. A damn good one.

You guys got me. Nothing gets by you two.

The really interesting thing is how they were able to exclude the YAC in last year's figures but bt are unable to do it this year.

Team TY........13.1

Team LY.........10.7

So PN7 had YPC of 10.7 last year and Moore's #s include YAC. If we make the adjustment suggested by CK (80% of yards are YAC. 5 yard pass and 20 yard run) would mean Moore is averaging only 2.6. I am not sure what impact the receivers have on the statistic...we all know they could not run routes and could not catch last year. Let's just ignore that for this analysis. So...in conclusion... PN7 wins with a 10.7 yards per completion vs Moore's 2.6. Looks like you win this one. Damn!!!!!

[Zipgrad01]

Do your receiver statistics include YAC?

No. A 5 yard catch, with a 20YAC, looks like a "deep" 25 yard completion if you rely on the box score.

Yes, I know it was a rhetorical question. A damn good one.

You guys got me. Nothing gets by you two.

The really interesting thing is how they were able to exclude the YAC in last year's figures but bt are unable to do it this year.

Team TY........13.1

Team LY.........10.7

So PN7 had YPC of 10.7 last year and Moore's #s include YAC. If we make the adjustment suggested by CK (80% of yards are YAC. 5 yard pass and 20 yard run) would mean Moore is averaging only 2.6. I am not sure what impact the receivers have on the statistic...we all know they could not run routes and could not catch last year. Let's just ignore that for this analysis. So...in conclusion... PN7 wins with a 10.7 yards per completion vs Moore's 2.6. Looks like you win this one. Damn!!!!!

Moore underthrows almost everything over 20 yards. His deep ball is horrible. I cant count how many times he has bounced a ball to a wide open receiver or allows the db to make a play on a ball that should be a sure completion. I agree with CK...stats may say one thing, but watching the game shows me that his arm is sub-par.

[johnnyzip84]

Moore underthrows almost everything over 20 yards. His deep ball is horrible. I cant count how many times he has bounced a ball to a wide open receiver or allows the db to make a play on a ball that should be a sure completion. I agree with CK...stats may say one thing, but watching the game shows me that his arm is sub-par.

Ahhh a voice of reason.

And mes102, you are correct. Moore connected on deep pass to start off the VMI game, and THAT pass was underthrown/delivered late (take your pick) or else it would have been a TD.

People are trying to turn this into a "who should start, PN7 or LR8" debate. Is it really that hard to fathom that, while neither has shown anywhere near the total package up to this point, there are certain things that one does better than the other and vice versa?

[skip-zip]

Once again, I find it amazing that some of the critics who are growing impatient with Moore after only 4 games in his college career appear to be some of the same people who were still pleading that we wait for PN to "develop" after 20 games.

[johnnyzip84]

Once again, I find it amazing that some of the critics who are growing impatient with Moore after only 4 games in his college career appear to be some of the same people who were still pleading that we wait for PN to "develop" after 20 games.

The discussion started about ONE aspect of his game, the deep ball. If you think Moore has been acceptable in that area, then we disagree. I'm not calling for a change, and actually I can only think of one poster who has recently.

I'm also on record saying that he might be able to adjust his timing on throwing the deep ball to have more success. He'd better, because his arm strength isn't going to magically increase overnight.

Not that it's a big deal of course, but his career is now through 5 games, not 4.

[Dr Z]

I think LR8 still deserves a chance to start. That being said, I am not optimistic that he is the QB that is talented enough to win us a mac championship. I know what I watch when I'm at the game . He must continue to work hard to make major improvements. I hope he does. There are plenty of QB's that turn the corner when "the game slows down for them", is LR8 one of them? Sconiers seems to be a guy that can help him through it. I hope LR8 throws 4 TDs to Sconiers this week, but I didn't bet on it. Have fun at the tailgate, should be a perfect day!

[skip-zip]

Once again, I find it amazing that some of the critics who are growing impatient with Moore after only 4 games in his college career appear to be some of the same people who were still pleading that we wait for PN to "develop" after 20 games.

The discussion started about ONE aspect of his game, the deep ball. If you think Moore has been acceptable in that area, then we disagree. I'm not calling for a change, and actually I can only think of one poster who has recently.

I'm also on record saying that he might be able to adjust his timing on throwing the deep ball to have more success. He'd better, because his arm strength isn't going to magically increase overnight.

Not that it's a big deal of course, but his career is now through 5 games, not 4.

Actually, I'd want to see a change much sooner than 20 games, if he doesn't show progress. And I actually share most people's concerns over whether he will become good enough to be our guy for 3 years. But, I am still amazed that it appears that some of his critics so early in his career are some of the same people who felt that PN "just needed more time" after 20 games. It's pretty obvious that we had nothing to lose by making the change, except an injury. The pass protection might be worse than ever right now.