Some things to look for on Saturday

[Lee Adams]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions? 2) Is Moore 'trying' to throw the ball over the middle? Because of the number of batted balls,there didn't seem to be an much of an effort to throw short/medium over the middle in the FIU game.3)Does the game plan call for more option or moving pocket? They ran the option a few times against FIU.4) Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.5) Is the defense giving up big yards on the ground? Solich likes that game. He has no problem winning 14-10.That said, this 'looks' like a game that didn't appear to be competetive before the season started,but SHOULD be now.

[Doug Snyder]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions? 2) Is Moore 'trying' to throw the ball over the middle? Because of the number of batted balls,there didn't seem to be an much of an effort to throw short/medium over the middle in the FIU game.3)Does the game plan call for more option or moving pocket? They ran the option a few times against FIU.4) Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.5) Is the defense giving up big yards on the ground? Solich likes that game. He has no problem winning 14-10.That said, this 'looks' like a game that didn't appear to be competetive before the season started,but SHOULD be now.

We need to look for someone who knows what they are talking about and talk with them.

[mes102]

Should be closer than what people think...But apparently since I'm a generic Akron Zips fan and likes all sports at Akron and get this response a lot, I'm going to say this now:"Does anyone really care?"

[K92]

Should be closer than what people think...But apparently since I'm a generic Akron Zips fan and likes all sports at Akron and get this response a lot, I'm going to say this now:"Does anyone really care?"

Your point? Just because someone asked you that question about WBB on a MBB thread, you are going to try and stir the pot on a football thread? Yeah. I care. A lot.

[Doug Snyder]

Should be closer than what people think...But apparently since I'm a generic Akron Zips fan and likes all sports at Akron and get this response a lot, I'm going to say this now:"Does anyone really care?"

Your point? Just because someone asked you that question about WBB on a MBB thread, you are going to try and stir the pot on a football thread? Yeah. I care. A lot.

Man...it sure seems that people are in a pissed off mood today. mes103...don't worry if no one cares. Keep fighting the good fight and keep your passion. Life tastes better with a good dose of passion. And really...who would ask a student why he cared about a sport anyway?? And why would you (or anyone) care about him??Keener..I may be in the mood for a road trip tomorrow. Have any keen ideas about a place to eat lunch in Ashland?? My wife and 2 small children will be with me. Thanks

[K92]

Doug,It is pretty slim pickins for grub here in Ashland. There is Jake's, which is a pretty good steak house with a full menu. Fiesta Charra is a good Mexican spot. O'Bryan's is pretty tasty. Linder's is a bar with good food, founded by the former voice of the Golden Flashes, Tom Linder. I have gotten over that. If you want pizza we have one really good spot in Dor-Lo. What are you hungry for? There are good places in Mansfield and Wooster too.

[Blue & Gold]

Doug,It is pretty slim pickins for grub here in Ashland. There is Jake's, which is a pretty good steak house with a full menu. Fiesta Charra is a good Mexican spot. O'Bryan's is pretty tasty. Linder's is a bar with good food, founded by the former voice of the Golden Flashes, Tom Linder. I have gotten over that. If you want pizza we have one really good spot in Dor-Lo. What are you hungry for? There are good places in Mansfield and Wooster too.

Downtown Wooster has a lot of nice restaurants. It's really surprising, actually.

[Doug Snyder]

Doug,It is pretty slim pickins for grub here in Ashland. There is Jake's, which is a pretty good steak house with a full menu. Fiesta Charra is a good Mexican spot. O'Bryan's is pretty tasty. Linder's is a bar with good food, founded by the former voice of the Golden Flashes, Tom Linder. I have gotten over that. If you want pizza we have one really good spot in Dor-Lo. What are you hungry for? There are good places in Mansfield and Wooster too.

Downtown Wooster has a lot of nice restaurants. It's really surprising, actually.

Give me some names in Woster. Also...if you are in the Hartville area...give some names ther too :-) Thanks in advance. We go to the Hartville Kitchen once a week. They have the best fish dinner...would not have considered them for fish. Trying to get more fish in my diet so we go often. And my wife loves the sweet potato dish. Great place for families.

[mes102]

Should be closer than what people think...But apparently since I'm a generic Akron Zips fan and likes all sports at Akron and get this response a lot, I'm going to say this now:"Does anyone really care?"

Your point? Just because someone asked you that question about WBB on a MBB thread, you are going to try and stir the pot on a football thread? Yeah. I care. A lot.

sorry about that post...i thought i put a rolling eyes emoticon on this and try to turn my anger towards certain posters into jokes, but it didn't really work and I lost it completely when I saw your post and didn't look at mine to see I forgot the emoticon. Sorry about that...

[Doug Snyder]

Should be closer than what people think...But apparently since I'm a generic Akron Zips fan and likes all sports at Akron and get this response a lot, I'm going to say this now:"Does anyone really care?"

Your point? Just because someone asked you that question about WBB on a MBB thread, you are going to try and stir the pot on a football thread? Yeah. I care. A lot.

sorry about that post...i thought i put a rolling eyes emoticon on this and try to turn my anger towards certain posters into jokes, but it didn't really work and I lost it completely when I saw your post and didn't look at mine to see I forgot the emoticon. Sorry about that...

This is a good lesson: Sarcasm does not play well in the written form.

[Dr Z]

Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.

That's exactly how I would attack an Akron offense.

[johnnyzip84]

Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.

That's exactly how I would attack an Akron offense.

Exactly. That's why Suel's return is so key. If LR8 can get the ball to Suel and Sconiers enough, then The Chisel will have a decent day. Otherwise, the offense is in trouble.

[Dr Z]

If LR8 can get the ball to Suel and Sconiers enough, then The Chisel will have a decent day. Otherwise, the offense is in trouble.

Will he be able to see them with his current helmet? (I'm half kidding)

[Blue & Gold]

Doug,It is pretty slim pickins for grub here in Ashland. There is Jake's, which is a pretty good steak house with a full menu. Fiesta Charra is a good Mexican spot. O'Bryan's is pretty tasty. Linder's is a bar with good food, founded by the former voice of the Golden Flashes, Tom Linder. I have gotten over that. If you want pizza we have one really good spot in Dor-Lo. What are you hungry for? There are good places in Mansfield and Wooster too.

Downtown Wooster has a lot of nice restaurants. It's really surprising, actually.

Give me some names in Woster. Also...if you are in the Hartville area...give some names ther too :-) Thanks in advance. We go to the Hartville Kitchen once a week. They have the best fish dinner...would not have considered them for fish. Trying to get more fish in my diet so we go often. And my wife loves the sweet potato dish. Great place for families.

South Market BistroOlde Joal Brewing Co.I live no more than 30 seconds from the Hartville Kitchen. Nice place. Good food, friendly service, and you're right, excellent fish!But Hartville is dry, so there really aren't that many nicer restaurants in town - mostly fast food. Carlo's Trattoria has excellent stromboli.

[Lee Adams]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions? 2) Is Moore 'trying' to throw the ball over the middle? Because of the number of batted balls,there didn't seem to be an much of an effort to throw short/medium over the middle in the FIU game.3)Does the game plan call for more option or moving pocket? They ran the option a few times against FIU.4) Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.5) Is the defense giving up big yards on the ground? Solich likes that game. He has no problem winning 14-10.That said, this 'looks' like a game that didn't appear to be competetive before the season started,but SHOULD be now.

We need to look for someone who knows what they are talking about and talk with them.

Excuse me.

[Doug Snyder]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions? 2) Is Moore 'trying' to throw the ball over the middle? Because of the number of batted balls,there didn't seem to be an much of an effort to throw short/medium over the middle in the FIU game.3)Does the game plan call for more option or moving pocket? They ran the option a few times against FIU.4) Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.5) Is the defense giving up big yards on the ground? Solich likes that game. He has no problem winning 14-10.That said, this 'looks' like a game that didn't appear to be competetive before the season started,but SHOULD be now.

We need to look for someone who knows what they are talking about and talk with them.

Excuse me.

You really did not want to discuss football did you?? You wanted to discuss the failures of ICoach and Moore.Just reviewing sarcasm #1:..................YPR...........R/PCincy...........3.8..........34/36VMI.............6.4..........49/29 EMU............4.6...........32/29FIU.............3.9...........30/23 note: Moore "ran" the ball 11 times. Started as pass playSo...it does not appear an over commitment to the run. Based on the adjectives used and the tone of your writing, you are once again complaining about the type of offense we run. I totally agree that you have a right to bitch, whine and complain but it is others right be get tired of it and speak up. No?? I am really tired of the lame criticism of Moore and ICoach, the negativity and sarcasm on ZNO lately in regards to football. I agree we need to start winning. I get it...you want to use the "spread" and throw the ball all the time. I don't. I want to run the ball about 50% of the time and expand our options.

[GP1]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions?

I would be interested in knowing when they run. Is it on first down and second down mostly resulting in third and long distance? Or, are they passing on first down and running on second down like they do in the NFL (I like this strategy because if the first down pass is incomplete, it can shorten the potential third down pass). NFL offenses spend the vast majority of their practices in their third down offense because it is so hard to get a first down in the NFL and it takes three downs to get one in many cases. Since we run a pro offense, it is especially critical to convert third downs out of shorter distances.I'm going to the Wake game at Duke tomorrow and will be in a bar to watch some of the Zips after the game. Looking forward to seeing the Zips win.

[K92]

I think there are a lot of people who are just totally fed up with the all the losing and (((unfortunately))) we are snapping at each other in our posts.If the Zips are going to ever have any success with this offense, they are going to have to get the fullback and tight ends integrated into the passing game. So far, they have mostly been used for maximum pass protection. Having Suel back should really help out the wide outs. Sconiers has definitely proven his value in Marquelo's absence and now teams have to cover both of them. I am still waiting to see A.J. Price have a breakout performance and they need to get Tyler Williams into the game plan. So far, his burned redshirt has been in vain. I am not overly optimistic that the Zips will be able to put it all together on offense this week, but I would hope to see it moving in the right direction versus the Bobcats. As others have said, without a credible passing threat, teams are going to start overloading the box to stop the Chisel and dare the Zips to throw.The offensive line continues to be a concern and the injuries make for a very thin unit.The offense must play much better if we are going to see a Zips victory tomorrow.

[Dave in Green]

As always, statistical analysis can help correlate assumptions.Obviously, the Zips were in control of the VMI game with running, so you'd expect the lower percentage of passing shown in the stats. In the other games, the Zips were playing from behind for most of the time, so you'd expect a higher percentage of passes vs. runs, which also shows up in the stats.It's a fair question to ask about what percentage of passes vs. runs is reasonable to expect in games where you're playing from behind. The Zips' percentage is hovering around 50% while many people expect to see a higher percentage of passes from a team that has lots of points to make up.One mitigating factor in the first few games of the season would be Moore's inexperience at the D1 level, and the added complication of playing against tougher teams with better pass rushes and secondaries.Now that Moore has some experience and the remaining games on the schedule are against weaker teams, one might reasonably expect the Zips to pass more than 50% of the time in situations where they are trailing and need to come from behind, especially if the ground game is not reliably sustaining drives.

[Lee Adams]

Ianello mentioned in his press conference that one of the things they wanted to work on was the drop back passing game. Umm. Does that mean he hasn't been satisfied with the result he has been getting from his chosen offensive scheme so far?Anyway,see if the following continue on Saturday:1) Overcomittment to the run. Is the offense trying to run when the run isn't working? Is the offense moving the ball on the ground? Is the offensive game plan as simplistic has it has been? Is the offense leaving the defense hanging out to dry with too many short possesions? 2) Is Moore 'trying' to throw the ball over the middle? Because of the number of batted balls,there didn't seem to be an much of an effort to throw short/medium over the middle in the FIU game.3)Does the game plan call for more option or moving pocket? They ran the option a few times against FIU.4) Is OU crowding the line of scrimmage? Are they saying go ahead and throw we'll take our chances. FIU did.5) Is the defense giving up big yards on the ground? Solich likes that game. He has no problem winning 14-10.That said, this 'looks' like a game that didn't appear to be competetive before the season started,but SHOULD be now.

We need to look for someone who knows what they are talking about and talk with them.

Excuse me.

You really did not want to discuss football did you?? You wanted to discuss the failures of ICoach and Moore.Just reviewing sarcasm #1:..................YPR...........R/PCincy...........3.8..........34/36VMI.............6.4..........49/29 EMU............4.6...........32/29FIU.............3.9...........30/23 note: Moore "ran" the ball 11 times. Started as pass playSo...it does not appear an over commitment to the run. Based on the adjectives used and the tone of your writing, you are once again complaining about the type of offense we run. I totally agree that you have a right to bitch, whine and complain but it is others right be get tired of it and speak up. No?? I am really tired of the lame criticism of Moore and ICoach, the negativity and sarcasm on ZNO lately in regards to football. I agree we need to start winning. I get it...you want to use the "spread" and throw the ball all the time. I don't. I want to run the ball about 50% of the time and expand our options.

Please. If it is going to get personal I will from this point on refrain from responding to your posts.. No I was not doing any of those things you ASSUMED I was doing. I get it too. So please don't start talking down to people who may not agree with your personal views of how the football program or the world should be. If you were offended I apologize. I can assure you that this is the last discourse I will have regarding any of your posts. I hope you do me the courtesy of the same.

[Zipmeister]

As always, statistical analysis can help correlate assumptions.Obviously, the Zips were in control of the VMI game with running, so you'd expect the lower percentage of passing shown in the stats. In the other games, the Zips were playing from behind for most of the time, so you'd expect a higher percentage of passes vs. runs, which also shows up in the stats.It's a fair question to ask about what percentage of passes vs. runs is reasonable to expect in games where you're playing from behind. The Zips' percentage is hovering around 50% while many people expect to see a higher percentage of passes from a team that has lots of points to make up.One mitigating factor in the first few games of the season would be Moore's inexperience at the D1 level, and the added complication of playing against tougher teams with better pass rushes and secondaries.Now that Moore has some experience and the remaining games on the schedule are against weaker teams, one might reasonably expect the Zips to pass more than 50% of the time in situations where they are trailing and need to come from behind, especially if the ground game is not reliably sustaining drives.

I'm writing this one down and saving it.Go ZIPS

[Dave in Green]

As always, statistical analysis can help correlate assumptions. .....

I'm writing this one down and saving it.Go ZIPS

Ha! Well I wouldn't advise anyone submitting a term paper with that use of the word correlate. I was thinking about the correlation between stats and assumptions, but the proper word to use in the context of that sentence is that statistical analysis can help corroberate assumptions.

[Doug Snyder]

Please. If it is going to get personal I will from this point on refrain from responding to your posts.. No I was not doing any of those things you ASSUMED I was doing. I get it too. So please don't start talking down to people who may not agree with your personal views of how the football program or the world should be. If you were offended I apologize. I can assure you that this is the last discourse I will have regarding any of your posts. I hope you do me the courtesy of the same.

I didn't mean to be personal. I am just tired of the same thing every week. Moore can't throw deep. Moore locks on to one receiver. Moore can't see over the line. Moore can't throw over the line. Moore is inaccurate. Moore makes bad decisions. And when the facts don't support the argument...make something up (the receivers get yards after catch). iCoach is an idiot. iCoach used the wrong offense. iCoach calls the wrong plays. iCoach keeps his plays in his pants. iCoach is not respected by his players. iCoach can't recruit. and yada yada yada. What annoys me the most is the selective use of facts to crucify both. Do you remember "iCoach is an idiot for not using the most explosive player on the team (T. Williams - red shirt)" Well...he has not been that explosive. Maybe he should have kept that red shirt (hmm…I think I have seen that too). I think anything iCoach says or does will be considered wrong by the anti-iCoach crowd. I should have been direct in my post instead of using sarcasm. I was hoping to show how annoying sarcasm can be. But although you have been a vocal critic of iCoach, you are a rather small voice and are not the biggest problem. I have always respected your posts and your opinions. I am sorry for not taking the direct approach with you. I do disagree with your approach...I think we should wait until the end of season to make a rational and informed decision. That is always my approach. I believe it does not help to continue to grind iCoach down. But that is my opinion and you can have yours and do as you feel is best. But in the end...who really cares. Do you think Proenza cares that 80-90% of the posters on ZNO hate iCoach?? Look at the poll predictions over the last few weeks...40 votes?? FORTY!! Yes they are 40 interested and vocal fans but I doubt it has that much of an impact on their decision.Unless iCoach totally fails this year he will be back for year 3. It is just not financially prudent to pay the 2M it will cost to cut ties. Our best hope is iCoach succeeds. That is my hope. I will hold out hope until the end of the year. For me...last year was always irrelevant. I had 3 performance levels for this year: 7 wins would show great progress. I would be extremely happy. 5 wins would show we were making steady progress. 3 wins was the minimum. I am still holding to that initial analysis and will wait till all the votes are counted to make any real judgements.You may choose to do what you want. But I will continue to support the team and coach.Go Zips!!!

[Dr Z]

I am just tired of the same thing every week. Moore can't throw deep. Moore locks on to one receiver. Moore can't see over the line. Moore can't throw over the line. Moore is inaccurate. Moore makes bad decisions. And when the facts don't support the argument.

I go by what I see on the field, BUT if you are one of those guys that needs facts/stats whatever you like to call it, here you are:LR8 ranks 103 out of 119 QBs in college football right now. LR8 is 116 out of 119 in completion percentage!!! How can you paint a pretty picture out of that?!?We MUST improve play at the most important position to start to win games.

[GP1]

LR8 ranks 103 out of 119 QBs in college football right now. LR8 is 116 out of 119 in completion percentage!!! How can you paint a pretty picture out of that?!?We MUST improve play at the most important position to start to win games.

Good stuff Dr. Dr Z.Our top line running back is showing consistent improvement over the course of the season. A little stumble against FIU in production of total yards, but they were a much better team than us and we still hung in. He has had 131 against EMU and 134 against UC. I'm a believer in this kid from watching his effort in the tosu game and his stats as the season progresses.This tells me the running game is in place to create play action for a QB....something critical to a pro style offense. The passing game has to be in rhythm with the run game for winning. In order for the other team to take our passing more seriously, we have to complete more passes and there has to be a deep threat. We need the QB to get the ball down field and a guy who can get open down field in order to be successful. The first piece is in place with the RB....the rest needs to follow.