NCAA approves paying college athletes

[zipsbandman]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/201...ng_money_f.htmlGame over for the MAC.....

[Doug Snyder]

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/201...ng_money_f.htmlGame over for the MAC.....

Not only the MAC...all programs running in the red will go much further in the red. If the UofA was to pay all athletes an additional 2K, my guess is that it would be close to 500K further in the red. My problem has always been how that shortfall is funded. At many schools the students will cough up the difference. What I think the net effect will be is to make the gap between “haves” and “have nots” greater. I don't see all schools adding the 2K.On a separate theoretical thought... To be completely fair, shouldn't students who get a free education (scholarship) have to report the cost of those benefits to the IRS ...or the students who do not get them get a tax deduction?? If they were recorded as benefits, then maybe they would be eligible for the W/C that GP1 is clamoring for. Just a thought.....

[ZachTheZip]

So how does this work for partial-scholarship players, which make up the majority of student-athletes in the NCAA? Should someone with 10% of a full scholarship get $2k to spend? What about walk-ons? Every male student in the university would be walking on to the football team if it means getting $2k.

[Zip_ME87]

So how does this work for partial-scholarship players, which make up the majority of student-athletes in the NCAA? Should someone with 10% of a full scholarship get $2k to spend? What about walk-ons? Every male student in the university would be walking on to the football team if it means getting $2k.

Do you really think much thought went into this. It's another ill-conceived plan in a great country that's lost its way.

[Dave in Green]

Zach, as I mentioned in another thread on another subject, follow the money. No one cares about giving more money to student athletes who don't generate money. Put aside any idealism in your heart and think of the world in the crassest of terms. This is all about money. College football generates more money than all the other sports put together. Stud football players make winning football teams. Winning football teams generate more money. Feed the stud football players with all the steak they can eat and let the rest of the student athletes eat cake -- qu'ils mangent de la brioche.

[UAZipster0305]

The real problem here is that D-1A football and basketball serve as minor leagues for the NFL and W/NBA. There isn't a lot of money in any of the other olympic NCAA sports. Soccer and hockey aren't popular enough in the US and MLB has it's own minor league system. If D-1A football and basketball were removed from the NCAA and transitioned to minor league professional sports, you'd see a return of the student-athlete and the original intentions and dignity of the NCAA would be restored. But it will never happen.I think the MAC is now officially screwed, but I also believe the NCAA is going to have a lot of logistical problems with this. They just crossed a threshold that was formerly black and white and now introduces every shade of gray and colors. IMO this is analogous to the Catholic church no longer saying life begins at conception but at some random time afterwards. This really is Pandora's box for the NCAA.

[ZachTheZip]

Zach, as I mentioned in another thread on another subject, follow the money. No one cares about giving more money to student athletes who don't generate money. Put aside any idealism in your heart and think of the world in the crassest of terms. This is all about money. College football generates more money than all the other sports put together. Stud football players make winning football teams. Winning football teams generate more money. Feed the stud football players with all the steak they can eat and let the rest of the student athletes eat cake -- qu'ils mangent de la brioche.

It's not idealism. It's a question. How will this work? So the NCAA passed something ground-breaking without figuring out how to implement it.

[MDZip]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let students choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

[UAZipster0305]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

[johnnyzip84]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

Yeah, but you can always saunter down to the ORIGINAL Primanti's whenever you get a hankering for fries and slaw on your sandwich

[GP1]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

I wore shorts, a t-shirt and flip-flops out to dinner last night. It's a little cool today so I'll probably replace the t-shirt with a sweatshirt tonight.

[GP1]

On a separate theoretical thought... To be completely fair, shouldn't students who get a free education (scholarship) have to report the cost of those benefits to the IRS ...or the students who do not get them get a tax deduction?? If they were recorded as benefits, then maybe they would be eligible for the W/C that GP1 is clamoring for.

I'm not an accountant, but I believe grants in aid are not taxable. This $2,000 will not be taxable...probably.I'm against this $2,000 payment and for a player having a job and cashing in on his celebrity. That would be taxable income.

[GP1]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships.

When we get done with this, we can put signs above the lockerroom doors reading, "Whites Only...and Only If Your Parents Have Money".I'm not interested in turning on the TV and watching LSU vs Alabama with DIII talent. Sorry....I enjoy modernity.

[UAZipster0305]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

Yeah, but you can always saunter down to the ORIGINAL Primanti's whenever you get a hankering for fries and slaw on your sandwich

I'm living in Scranton now though. :/ No more Primanti's for me for a while.

[UAZipster0305]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

I wore shorts, a t-shirt and flip-flops out to dinner last night. It's a little cool today so I'll probably replace the t-shirt with a sweatshirt tonight.

I knew there was a reason I didn't like you!

[johnnyzip84]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let student choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

Piss away, MDZip. Welcome to the club. I have spent all day studying in an area of the country where it has already started snowing!

Yeah, but you can always saunter down to the ORIGINAL Primanti's whenever you get a hankering for fries and slaw on your sandwich

I'm living in Scranton now though. :/ No more Primanti's for me for a while.

Bummer. I'll skip the Dunder Mifflin jokes.

[Lee Adams]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. Athletics is only tangential to the misson of college anyway. Anyone who still wanted to play and could make the team would be able do so. Yes, I know it takes time but that's a choice you make. It also might keep people out of college who would have no business being there otherwise. The professional leagues can be like baseball and make their own minor league setup and people who want to make sports a career can also elect to do so. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships. Let students choose a school based on its merits and not how fast it can get them to the pros. Its time to end the charade. Plus I'm in a pissy mood tonight.

This another way for the big athletic programs like OSU et al to separate themselves from everyone else. Those schools can go play in their own back yardand not have deal with the MAC's of the world. Create another super division and let those guys beat up on each other while they throw more money at the kids they want in their programs.Wasn't there a time back in the dark ages when schools started playing football that athletic scholarships weren't given? Of course kids were still being paid to play. It was the $100.00 handshake.The idea that professional football and hoops should have their own minor league systems has been kicked around for years. It will continue to get kicked as long as those sports can get away with not having to spend the money to develop players. You can't make it lucrative for some kid to go school for a couple of years then leave to become a professional. Hockey and baseball develop their players who don't attend college.

[GP1]

Game over for the MAC.....

The league has been around since 1948. It's been over for a long time. Nobody wants to admit that is the case, but it is the reality.When the BCS schools get their own division, it could be the best day ever for the MAC.

[MDZip]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships.

When we get done with this, we can put signs above the lockerroom doors reading, "Whites Only...and Only If Your Parents Have Money".I'm not interested in turning on the TV and watching LSU vs Alabama with DIII talent. Sorry....I enjoy modernity.

Sorry, throwing the bullshit flag on you here. Millions of college students somehow manage to make it through with combinations of loans, work, etc. And believe it or not, a lot of those students are black and they somehow do it too. The percentage who are helped by athletic scholarships is miniscule compared to that number. Throwing the race card in doesn't help your argument, especially if you just want that for your own entertainment.

[zippy5]

i had primanti's at the pitt/uconn game wednesday. mmm.

[Spin]

There are two problems with college giving up scholarships and football and basketball minor leagues.And they both involve MONEY.#1 The handful colleges that make the decisions and the BCS conferences, make money in truckloads. They're not going to give that up.#2 The NFL and NBA would have to spend money on a minor league system, and they don't want to. Why buy the cow when you can get the milk for free? As my girlfriend use to say.Imagine if there were no minor league baseball. No Akron Aeros. No Lake County Captains or Mahoning Valley Scrappers or Lake Erie Crushers. Imagine Akron U getting all of that money and attendance. Canal Park being on campus with Zip games drawing 3300 fans per game. Imagine the talent level of the teams!!!Or all of the people at Lake Erie Monsters games going to CSU and Akron hockey games. Imagine the talent level of college hockey.

[Spin]

When the BCS schools get their own division, it could be the best day ever for the MAC.

+1"I see dead programs. Walking around like regular programs. They only see what they want to see. They don't know they're dead."

[GP1]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships.

When we get done with this, we can put signs above the lockerroom doors reading, "Whites Only...and Only If Your Parents Have Money".I'm not interested in turning on the TV and watching LSU vs Alabama with DIII talent. Sorry....I enjoy modernity.

Sorry, throwing the bullshit flag on you here. Millions of college students somehow manage to make it through with combinations of loans, work, etc. And believe it or not, a lot of those students are black and they somehow do it too. The percentage who are helped by athletic scholarships is miniscule compared to that number. Throwing the race card in doesn't help your argument, especially if you just want that for your own entertainment.

If you want the quality of D-1A football to remain where it is today, scholarships have to stay where they are. If you want to go to college football games where almost everyone looks like you, go to Mt. Union games. Everyone sits around those games patting themselves on the back on top of their high horse about the DIII players being "true student athletes". I don't need my world view boosted with a football game...I'd rather have good entertainment watching top level athletes compete.

[Lee Adams]

Here's a radical idea. Eliminate athletic scholarships entirely. There is enough money being made to do that. Div III somehow manages to have fun sporting events without scholarships.

When we get done with this, we can put signs above the lockerroom doors reading, "Whites Only...and Only If Your Parents Have Money".I'm not interested in turning on the TV and watching LSU vs Alabama with DIII talent. Sorry....I enjoy modernity.

Sorry, throwing the bullshit flag on you here. Millions of college students somehow manage to make it through with combinations of loans, work, etc. And believe it or not, a lot of those students are black and they somehow do it too. The percentage who are helped by athletic scholarships is miniscule compared to that number. Throwing the race card in doesn't help your argument, especially if you just want that for your own entertainment.

If you want the quality of D-1A football to remain where it is today, scholarships have to stay where they are. If you want to go to college football games where almost everyone looks like you, go to Mt. Union games. Everyone sits around those games patting themselves on the back on top of their high horse about the DIII players being "true student athletes". I don't need my world view boosted with a football game...I'd rather have good entertainment watching top level athletes compete.

The other side of that might be that watching competetive games on a consistent basis at whatever level the team is playing may be more enjoyable than what we have now. I have lived in places where there are only D-II or D-III programs. Fans still go to the games. Sure they watch the big boys on TV like we all do. the MAC and conferences at that lvel can't compete at the highest level now. So do we want to watch those sacrifice games at the beginning of every season as we do now with little if any hope of ever competting at that level consistently? Or do we want to stop spending millions of dollars with the the impossible belief that 'some day' teams like those in the MAC or Sunbelt etc. will be able to stand toe to toe with the Russkys(thanks Slim) and win?

[GP1]

The other side of that might be that watching competetive games on a consistent basis at whatever level the team is playing may be more enjoyable than what we have now. I have lived in places where there are only D-II or D-III programs. Fans still go to the games. Sure they watch the big boys on TV like we all do. the MAC and conferences at that lvel can't compete at the highest level now. So do we want to watch those sacrifice games at the beginning of every season as we do now with little if any hope of ever competting at that level consistently? Or do we want to stop spending millions of dollars with the the impossible belief that 'some day' teams like those in the MAC or Sunbelt etc. will be able to stand toe to toe with the Russkys(thanks Slim) and win?

Good post. I am of the belief that we should compete at a level where we have a realistic shot at winning against "like" schools.Some like to talk about paying players as a destruction of the "integrity of the game". Is paying players really worse for the integrity of the game than the month of "rent-a-win" games we all have to watch and participate in at the beginning of every season? I don't think so. Not only are they bad football, but they steal money away from hard working people who are forced to buy the rent-a-win tickets in order to get to see real games later in the season.