Scoring Update

[GP1]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

[Buckzip]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Let me correct you here. This team would have to improve quite a bit to be terrible.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

[Lee Adams]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

Kinda tells you the value of some of those stats doesn't it? Given that the defense stinks,is that the only reason the season has gone the way it has? They have given up over 300 points already I believe. Is it that the defense can't get the ball to the offense often enough or in better field position? When its across the board like it is with this team there are multiple problems.

[Dr Z]

We need someone to play well at the QB position.

[Captain Kangaroo]

We need someone to play well at the QB position.

Think 3-for-19 will get the job done on Saturday?How is 3-for-19 even possible?

[Doug Snyder]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

We are not. Please consider the source. In 2010 we scored 121 points through 9 games and in 2011 we scored 138. The 2010 total included 13 OT points. Obviously GP1 was not a finance or math major.

[GP1]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

We are not. Please consider the source. In 2010 we scored 121 points through 9 games and in 2011 we scored 138. The 2010 total included 13 OT points. Obviously GP1 was not a finance or math major.

There is noting inaccurate about my facts.

[Zipmeister]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

We are not. Please consider the source. In 2010 we scored 121 points through 9 games and in 2011 we scored 138. The 2010 total included 13 OT points. Obviously GP1 was not a finance or math major.

There is noting inaccurate about my facts.

get the h out of here I believe his point was that based on the same number of games we are scoring almost a whole TWO points more per game than last year. No wonder that QB rating is way up.

[Doug Snyder]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

We are not. Please consider the source. In 2010 we scored 121 points through 9 games and in 2011 we scored 138. The 2010 total included 13 OT points. Obviously GP1 was not a finance or math major.

There is noting inaccurate about my facts.

Are you saying mine are wrong?? I know you are not because mine are correct. You are just manipulating the facts to support your case. You are comparing averages of 12 games against 9 and we both know the 2 "pay" games are in the beginning and would skew the date in your comparison. Since you are wrong and we are on pace to score more...what does that mean to your analysis??

[GP1]

Last year, the Zips scored 187 points. Just when you thought it couldn't get any worse, 2011 rolls around.The Zips have 138 points this year for an average of 15.3 points per game, down from 15.5 from 2010. They have to average 16.3ppg to tie 2010.Why so bad? Football is now a game of QBs, WRs and coaches. We don't have much at all in those three categories. There is a reason we don't score points and we are terrible.

Odd...I was told Clayton Moore's passer rating is much better than what we had in 2010? How can we be scoring fewer points? We even have a better running game in 2011?

We are not. Please consider the source. In 2010 we scored 121 points through 9 games and in 2011 we scored 138. The 2010 total included 13 OT points. Obviously GP1 was not a finance or math major.

There is noting inaccurate about my facts.

Are you saying mine are wrong?? I know you are not because mine are correct. You are just manipulating the facts to support your case. You are comparing averages of 12 games against 9 and we both know the 2 "pay" games are in the beginning and would skew the date in your comparison. Since you are wrong and we are on pace to score more...what does that mean to your analysis??

The data is the data. If we continue on at our average points per game, we will not score more points than 2010. With only one home game remaining, I could see the Zips scoring less than 42 points in the last three games.

[Doug Snyder]

I believe his point was that based on the same number of games we are scoring almost a whole TWO points more per game than last year. No wonder that QB rating is way up.

No. Just wanted to correct the facts. The debate was based on us scoring less than 2010. That is not the truth.And it is 2.6 points per game increase over last year (excluding OT points)...a 20% increase. But statistics do not tell the whole story and can be manipulated. I am not suggesting that we are better than last year. Bad is bad…but let’s at least take the time to use accurate information. The whole basis of this thread is wrong.

[GP1]

The whole basis of this thread is wrong.

The basis of the thread is about average points per game and the end result if we continue at our current average points per game. If we don't average more than 16.3 ppg the remainder of the season, we won't have more points this season than last season. I don't know if you have a language barrier or not, but this isn't that difficult

[Doug Snyder]

The whole basis of this thread is wrong.

The basis of the thread is about average points per game and the end result if we continue at our current average points per game. If we don't average more than 16.3 ppg the remainder of the season, we won't have more points this season than last season. I don't know if you have a language barrier or not, but this isn't that difficult

It is statistically dishonest to use averages for 12 games vs 9 games. No language problem here. Check with bobbyake...he is great with numbers. All his comparisons are based on apples to apples (same # of games). Isn’t that difficult?? Apparently it is for some.

[Dave in Green]

@GP1 and @Doug Snyder, please forgive me for letting my moderate view of life infringe here. But I think you are both right, and this is not really worthy of a major debate at this time.It's fair to compare average scores for different numbers of games to present the speculative viewpoint that if A doesn't happen, B will occur. But it's also fair to point out what the average scores were for the same number of games.Bottom line is we won't know for sure until the season is over.The gentleman from Green moves that we table this issue until after the last game.

[Zipmeister]

@GP1 and @Doug Snyder, please forgive me for letting my moderate view of life infringe here. But I think you are both right, and this is not really worthy of a major debate at this time.It's fair to compare average scores for different numbers of games to present the speculative viewpoint that if A doesn't happen, B will occur. But it's also fair to point out what the average scores were for the same number of games.Bottom line is we won't know for sure until the season is over.The gentleman from Green moves that we table this issue until after the last game.

I think we need to resolve the "should we count overtime points" issue right away. This cannot wait til the end of the season. It will just fester if left unsettled.

[Doug Snyder]

OT points should be included. I should have also listed the totals with OT points. 1.9 points per game increase and a 14% increase over last year.

[Zipmeister]

You aren't in charge of calculated paid attendance figures at the Info are you?

[Doug Snyder]

With the ball placed on the 25, it is already within FG range. There have been occasions where many more points were scored in OT than during the regular game. The points have never had the same quality as regular game points ...IMO. But that is a personal viewpoint. I would prefer to keep score like they do in soccer. If the game ends 0-0 and they go to penalty kicks, and the score after penalty kicks is 5-3, they do not list the final score as 5-3 but 0-0 with team “A” winning on PKs. I hate that a game can end 13-13 in regulation but the final score may be 53-52 after OT. Again...just my opinion.

[Lee Adams]

@GP1 and @Doug Snyder, please forgive me for letting my moderate view of life infringe here. But I think you are both right, and this is not really worthy of a major debate at this time.It's fair to compare average scores for different numbers of games to present the speculative viewpoint that if A doesn't happen, B will occur. But it's also fair to point out what the average scores were for the same number of games.Bottom line is we won't know for sure until the season is over.The gentleman from Green moves that we table this issue until after the last game.

I think we need to resolve the "should we count overtime points" issue right away. This cannot wait til the end of the season. It will just fester if left unsettled.

LOL

[johnnyzip84]

@GP1 and @Doug Snyder, please forgive me for letting my moderate view of life infringe here. But I think you are both right, and this is not really worthy of a major debate at this time.It's fair to compare average scores for different numbers of games to present the speculative viewpoint that if A doesn't happen, B will occur. But it's also fair to point out what the average scores were for the same number of games.Bottom line is we won't know for sure until the season is over.The gentleman from Green moves that we table this issue until after the last game.

I think we need to resolve the "should we count overtime points" issue right away. This cannot wait til the end of the season. It will just fester if left unsettled.

I heard DiG is...........working overtime on that