GOP Primary

[InTheZone]

I'm a Ron Paul man myself. Regardless, the disaster currently occupying the White House needs to go. Maybe this is a whole nother topic of discussion, but the similarities between the leadership qualities and situations between Rob Ianello and Barack Obama, as well as our nation and our football program, are quite striking when you really stop to think about them.

[GoZips]

Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Both World Wars can be traced directly to people

who held Isolationist views. Paul would bare bones the US military and end

aid to Israel. Both incredibility bad political moves.

Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a BIG stick.

I voted for Rick Santorum; a man who's views I share.

[skip-zip]

And just when I thought that political beliefs was something that all of us usually agree on.

Ok, so maybe we won't agree on the type of candidate we need to get to the White House. But at least we'll still agree that the trainwreck that's running the show right now needs to go as soon as possible.

[Doug Snyder]

I like the "young guns" Ryan, McCarthy and Cantor. But none are ready to be president at this time. I am done with guys who have no experience or track record...this has been an utter disaster. The 2 most likely candidates are Romney and Gingrich. Both have baggage that make them less attractive to the moderate independents. If Obama gets in again because the moderates don't like either and vote for Obama or don't vote...we are in BIG trouble. Obama will claim it is a mandate and the country is FUCKED. Hello Greece...hello Spain. Italy may be in bad shape but at least they are not adding anything to the national debt. They have a chance if they can get their economy moving (not very easy for the Italians). The guy I really like is John Thune...but he is not running.

I have 2 sisters who voted for Obama last time. One will vote again for Obama and the other will not. The one who will not has never voted for a republican in her life. A state trooper friend (Ohio) had always voted republican but voted for Obama last time. He thinks he has failed and likely will vote republican even thou he personally likes Obama. So this will be interesting and close.

[zen]

Is Ron Paul an "isolationist", or is it that he is a "non-interventionalist" who appears to be isolationist compared to all the interventionist politicians we have?

America! Fkkk Yeah! Go world police!

right?

[GP1]

Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Both World Wars can be traced directly to people

who held Isolationist views. Paul would bare bones the US military and end

aid to Israel. Both incredibility bad political moves.

Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a BIG stick.

I voted for Rick Santorum; a man who's views I share.

WWI had nothing to do with isolationalism and everything to do with the war prone Huns.

WWII had everything to do with a Jew hating Nazi determined to take over Europe. It also had something to do with an attack in Hawaii, but the war was started long before that.

Rick Santorum is part of the religious right and they are insane who read the Bible, but somehow can understand the central messages. He is probably now running for president for the same reasons people like Keyes ran....because they get to keep their campaign money after they drip out of the race.

Newt will talk himself into a disaster. The ticking we all hear is the time bomb that is his mouth.

Perry is like a monkey. The higher a monkey climbs up a tree, the more we see parts of the monkey we don't want to see.

I'm going with Ron Paul even though he won't win.

[K92]

I'm writing in Paul Winters.

[ksu sucks]

Ron Paul is the only candidate that represents "change".

Here's my best guess at how things will play out(barring another candidate entering the race):

Ron Paul will put up a good fight in a few of the early primaries, but ultimately the sheeple that make up the Republican base will go with Mittens. Ron Paul will run as a third party candidate(Libertarian Party?) and siphon off enough votes from Romney and hand the election to Obombya.

But I'm voting for Ron Paul regardless. This will probably be the last time I vote for years. With the exception of Justin Amash and to a lesser extent, Rand Paul, I don't trust anyone in Washington.

[GP1]

With the exception of Justin Amash and to a lesser extent,

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

[ksu sucks]

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

That's typically a good rule, but once you listen to some of his speeches on the house floor you might have to make an exception.

BTW, don't let GoZips know about this, but Justin is Arab-American(terrorist!!!111).

[yazan07]

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

That's typically a good rule, but once you listen to some of his speeches on the house floor you might have to make an exception.

BTW, don't let GoZips know about this, but Justin is Arab-American(terrorist!!!111).

Yeah God forbid an Arab-American would be allowed to be elected to office. They're all terrorists, just like Obama.

[Blue & Gold]

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

That's typically a good rule, but once you listen to some of his speeches on the house floor you might have to make an exception.

BTW, don't let GoZips know about this, but Justin is Arab-American(terrorist!!!111).

Yeah God forbid an Arab-American would be allowed to be elected to office. They're all terrorists, just like Obama.

Come on, Obama's not even an American!!!

[Doug Snyder]

With the exception of Justin Amash and to a lesser extent,

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

We will return from Bali in 2-3 years and can live anywhere we choose. We plan to return to Ohio and live in the Hartville area. Because....I like that they have a significant Mennonite population. We considered Sugar Creek but that was to remote...but a large Amish population was a plus. As a group, the Amish take little from the entitlements provided by our government and have a very low crime rate. If you grade all groups as (+) or (-) in regards to financial/moral surplus or (drain) on society...I think the Amish are definitely a plus. They make good neighbors...that is why we chose Hartville.

I know you and I seldom agree...but I am shocked that we do not agree on this issue. You admirably stand up for other oppressed groups (no need to mention the group here) but are willing to throw others in front of the bus?? I guess you really do mean it when you write" You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

[Blue & Gold]

With the exception of Justin Amash and to a lesser extent,

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

We will return from Bali in 2-3 years and can live anywhere we choose. We plan to return to Ohio and live in the Hartville area. Because....I like that they have a significant Mennonite population. We considered Sugar Creek but that was to remote...but a large Amish population was a plus. As a group, the Amish take little from the entitlements provided by our government and have a very low crime rate. If you grade all groups as (+) or (-) in regards to financial/moral surplus or (drain) on society...I think the Amish are definitely a plus. They make good neighbors...that is why we chose Hartville.

I know you and I seldom agree...but I am shocked that we do not agree on this issue. You admirably stand up for other oppressed groups (no need to mention the group here) but are willing to throw others in front of the bus?? I guess you really do mean it when you write" You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

Hartville is a really nice community. I live between Clearwater Park & the Hartville Kitchen. Half the time I don't even bother locking my front door.

[Doug Snyder]

With the exception of Justin Amash and to a lesser extent,

I'd never vote for someone with a last name that is one letter away from being Amish.

We will return from Bali in 2-3 years and can live anywhere we choose. We plan to return to Ohio and live in the Hartville area. Because....I like that they have a significant Mennonite population. We considered Sugar Creek but that was to remote...but a large Amish population was a plus. As a group, the Amish take little from the entitlements provided by our government and have a very low crime rate. If you grade all groups as (+) or (-) in regards to financial/moral surplus or (drain) on society...I think the Amish are definitely a plus. They make good neighbors...that is why we chose Hartville.

I know you and I seldom agree...but I am shocked that we do not agree on this issue. You admirably stand up for other oppressed groups (no need to mention the group here) but are willing to throw others in front of the bus?? I guess you really do mean it when you write" You want it to be one way, but it's the other way."

Hartville is a really nice community. I live between Clearwater Park & the Hartville Kitchen. Half the time I don't even bother locking my front door.

Would enjoy meeting you sometime. You are a very thoughtful and rational poster. (Other than your irrational hatred for Cleveland. )

[Blue & Gold]

Would enjoy meeting you sometime. You are a very thoughtful and rational poster. (Other than your irrational hatred for Cleveland. )

Likewise. Maybe we'll run into each other at a watch party? I want to start going to some of those.

I don't really know anyone who posts on ZNO & I'd like to be able to put some faces w/ the names.

[GP1]

I know you and I seldom agree...but I am shocked that we do not agree on this issue. You admirably stand up for other oppressed groups (no need to mention the group here) but are willing to throw others in front of the bus??

The Amish are not opprressed. They make the choice to live in a backward manner which creates generations of people who are imprisoned by the lifestyle because by the time they are in high school they are so behind their counterparts the only thing they are good for is plowing a field with a team of horses. I'm just shocked that so many of the non-Amish people are willing to lay down their hard earned money for their bad cooking and poorly made quilts. Nobody getting thrown under the buggy here.

[UAZipster0305]

Would enjoy meeting you sometime. You are a very thoughtful and rational poster. (Other than your irrational hatred for Cleveland. )

Likewise. Maybe we'll run into each other at a watch party? I want to start going to some of those.

I don't really know anyone who posts on ZNO & I'd like to be able to put some faces w/ the names.

+1

[Zip Watcher]

Seems to me this will be a cycle ripe for a feasible 3rd candidate run.

The libertarians (generally) have opinions that will resonate with much of the country, but their inability to plan and raise money because they're afraid of centralized organization or authority means they'll probably never take a good run at the WH.

If Bloomberg is ever going to make a go of it, it's probably this time through.

The sad thing to me is that Joe Voter is rarely willing to go for good results over good rhetoric. Just the way things are now.

Go Zips!

[GP1]

I don't really know anyone who posts on ZNO & I'd like to be able to put some faces w/ the names.

I've seen some of the faces and I wish I hadn't. Not pretty. They probably say the same thing about me.

[RootforRoo44]

Ron Paul is an Isolationist. Both World Wars can be traced directly to people

who held Isolationist views. Paul would bare bones the US military and end

aid to Israel. Both incredibility bad political moves.

Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a BIG stick.

I voted for Rick Santorum; a man who's views I share.

Great point.

[RootforRoo44]

And just when I thought that political beliefs was something that all of us usually agree on.

Ok, so maybe we won't agree on the type of candidate we need to get to the White House. But at least we'll still agree that the trainwreck that's running the show right now needs to go as soon as possible.

You mean the "Ianello of the White House"?

[ZippyRulz]

Is Ron Paul an "isolationist", or is it that he is a "non-interventionalist" who appears to be isolationist compared to all the interventionist politicians we have?

America! Fkkk Yeah! Go world police!

right?

Right. Somebody's got to do it. If you want to believe in American exceptionalism then the responsibility of leadership falls on us.

[ksu sucks]

Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a BIG stick.

I just read an article and it reminded me of this statement.

Bully Boy: The Neocons' Favorite President

My favorite part:

TR's mental stability was questionable, to say the least. Mark Twain, who met him twice, judged that he was "clearly insane," as Tom Woods recalls in an essay on Roosevelt in Reassessing the Presidency (John Denson, editor). In biographies of TR we learn that after an argument with his girlfriend a young Teddy Roosevelt went home and shot his neighbor's dog. When he killed his first Spaniard in Cuba he "abandoned himself to complete hysteria," as biographer Edmund Morris recounts.

As president Roosevelt would take morning rides through Rock Creek Park wildly shooting at tree branches with a pistol, oblivious to the harm he might do to the nearby private homes in the District of Columbia. He once strung a wire across the Potomac River so that he could hang on it because, he said, his wrists needed strengthening.

Yeah, that's the kind of guy our politicians should aspire to.

[Hilltopper]

Teddy Roosevelt had the right idea. Speak softly and carry a BIG stick.

I just read an article and it reminded me of this statement.

Bully Boy: The Neocons' Favorite President

My favorite part:

TR's mental stability was questionable, to say the least. Mark Twain, who met him twice, judged that he was "clearly insane," as Tom Woods recalls in an essay on Roosevelt in Reassessing the Presidency (John Denson, editor). In biographies of TR we learn that after an argument with his girlfriend a young Teddy Roosevelt went home and shot his neighbor's dog. When he killed his first Spaniard in Cuba he "abandoned himself to complete hysteria," as biographer Edmund Morris recounts.

As president Roosevelt would take morning rides through Rock Creek Park wildly shooting at tree branches with a pistol, oblivious to the harm he might do to the nearby private homes in the District of Columbia. He once strung a wire across the Potomac River so that he could hang on it because, he said, his wrists needed strengthening.

Yeah, that's the kind of guy our politicians should aspire to.

You're right. He was way ahead of his time on many topics.

Teddy Roosevelt

He is noted for his exuberant personality, range of interests and achievements, and his leadership of the Progressive Movement

Roosevelt attempted to move the Republican Party toward Progressivism, including trust busting and increased regulation of businesses. Roosevelt coined the phrase "Square Deal" to describe his domestic agenda, emphasizing that the average citizen would get a fair share under his policies. As an outdoorsman and naturalist, he promoted the conservation movement.

Roosevelt was the force behind the completion of the Panama Canal, sent the Great White Fleet on a world tour to demonstrate American power, and negotiated an end to the Russo-Japanese War, for which he won the Nobel Peace Prize.[5] Roosevelt was the first American to win the Nobel Prize in any field.

Roosevelt also dealt with union workers. In May 1902, United Mine Workers went on strike to get higher pay wages and shorter workdays. He set up a fact-finding commission that stopped the strike, and resulted in the workers getting more pay for fewer hours.

Roosevelt helped the wellbeing of people by passing laws such as The Meat Inspection Act of 1906 and The Pure Food and Drug Act. The Meat Inspection Act of 1906 banned misleading labels and preservatives that contained harmful chemicals. The Pure Food and Drug Act banned food and drugs that are impure or falsely labeled from being made, sold, and shipped. Roosevelt was also served as honorary president of the school health organization American School Hygiene Association from 1907 to 1908, and in 1909 he convened the first White House Conference on the Care of Dependent Children.[53]

About African Americans, Roosevelt said, "I have not been able to think out any solution of the terrible problem offered by the presence of the Negro on this continent, but of one thing I am sure, and that is that inasmuch as he is here and can neither be killed nor driven away, the only wise and honorable and Christian thing to do is to treat each black man and each white man strictly on his merits as a man, giving him no more and no less than he shows himself worthy to have."[86]

Roosevelt appointed numerous African Americans to federal office, such as Walter L. Cohen of New Orleans, Louisiana, a leader of the Black and Tan Republican faction whom he named register of the federal land office.[87]