PB1719 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I agree... This is the 3rd or 4th game in a row where we lost because we were out coached in the 2nd half. I don't think it's a matter of being out coached, we have no depth. Also, I agree about them attacking our biggest weakness. Coaching can't change lack of talent. I thought we had them at the half. We need more run stoppers. Fixing that only comes with recruiting. I cant see us getting much more output from such an inexperienced/ thin defense. I think Amato is doing fine. I hate to say it, but this is a rebuilding year. I do think we can pull off a couple more wins, but we are not going to do much more until we get more talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I don't think it's a matter of being out coached, we have no depth. Also, I agree about them attacking our biggest weakness. Coaching can't change lack of talent. I thought we had them at the half. We need more run stoppers. Fixing that only comes with recruiting. I cant see us getting much more output from such an inexperienced/ thin defense. I think Amato is doing fine. I hate to say it, but this is a rebuilding year. I do think we can pull off a couple more wins, but we are not going to do much more until we get more talent. When u go from 10-0 to 24-10 that is being out coached....depth is just an excuse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I don't think it's a matter of being out coached, we have no depth. Also, I agree about them attacking our biggest weakness. Coaching can't change lack of talent. I thought we had them at the half. We need more run stoppers. Fixing that only comes with recruiting. I cant see us getting much more output from such an inexperienced/ thin defense. I think Amato is doing fine. I hate to say it, but this is a rebuilding year. I do think we can pull off a couple more wins, but we are not going to do much more until we get more talent. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valpo Zip Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I feel that the problem is in homecoming. Just like the alum band was invited to perform in part of the band show, an alum coach from the recent history was invited to coach in the second half. That's the only explanation I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 I do think we can pull off a couple more wins, but we are not going to do much more until we get more talent. Talent is everything. It should be no surprise they lose games in the second half when the other team figures out how to exploit the lack of talent. I see a staff that starts games with great game plans. Once the talent is fixed, we will see more second half success. Lastly, I don't knew who said it and I don't care. Better coaching wouldn't have given us four more wins with the talent we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 When u go from 10-0 to 24-10 that is being out coached....depth is just an excuse. If you sincerely believe that your sadly mistaken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally B Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 When u go from 10-0 to 24-10 that is being out coached....depth is just an excuse. well there's 3 seconds of my life that I will never get back.... It's like playing w/ a man down in soccer. You can have all the talent you want but the odds favor your side running out of gas first. In reality we're seeing what TB can do with the scarce amount of talent we currently have. As our talent base develops so will our ability to control the play of the game for 4 quarters Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 If you sincerely believe that your sadly mistaken. Talent and depth is obviously an issue on defense. However, the offense was averaging close to 40 a game. That is not a lack of talent. Our offense had 280 yards of offense in the first half and then had a whopping 36 yards in the 2nd half and put up a big goose egg on the scoreboard. Please explain to me how that is not being out coached? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 We had a solid game plan and a good strategy with good playcalling throughout the game. Our strategy and playcalling were not the problem. But coaching is more than that. It's about psychology. Our offensive players let the fumble in the second quarter kill their spirits. After that, they weren't the same. Their body language showed it. They had given up, decided that they weren't going to win, even when they had the lead at the time. It's the coaching staff's toughest challenge. To get the players to believe in themselves even when things don't look perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mivid12 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 The majority of the time the team with better players wins. My guess is bowling green has better players, or more talent, whichever term you prefer. Perhaps it wasn't Bowdens greatest coaching job, that's subjective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 7, 2012 Report Share Posted October 7, 2012 Talent and depth is obviously an issue on defense. However, the offense was averaging close to 40 a game. That is not a lack of talent. Our offense had 280 yards of offense in the first half and then had a whopping 36 yards in the 2nd half and put up a big goose egg on the scoreboard. Please explain to me how that is not being out coached? If we had that many yards in the first half and only scored 10 points, it sounds like they were slowly figuring us out before half. Take 20 minutes to finalize how to shut down what little talent we have against a good defense and you only get 36 yards in the second half. 36 yards means you were badly out played and not so much out coached. I hope nobody takes this personally but when a fan says a team lost because they were out coached, it normally means they really don't know why the team lost in a bad way. Players win games. We don't have enough players yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Good coaching will get the most out of the talent available. Going into this game it was clear that Coach Bowden was getting more out of the talent available at UA than the previous coach. This game was a reminder that the Zips are not deep in talent. As the season wears on and players are sidelined or slowed by injuries, the deeper teams are going to look better and better compared with teams that are thinner in talent. Some of the Zips players looked like walking wounded limping onto the field, and it's a credit to their competitiveness that they had the heart to keep trying their best. BG had no shortage of bigger, fresher players to throw at the Zips. This is not the last time we will see this happen, especially in the second half when depth plays a bigger role than in the first half. I do appreciate Coach Bowden trying to take all the blame. Some of his second half coaching decisions may not have been the best. But this game was not lost on coaching decisions alone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Still pretty stunned by the loss on Saturday. I was disappointed in our inability to change our offensive game plan. Chisholm ran the ball really well....our other RBs didn't do much. I would have really liked to see Bowden run Chisholm more in the second half and taken advantage of them being set up to stop the pass. The optimism is diminishing on this season and can't see us winning the next two weeks. This season is actually really setting up to be a two win season if we can beat UMass at home in the second to last game. Bowden warned us about this but the fun we were having at the beginning of this season took over and we all had dreams of winning more....I'm sorry I don't see that happening now. The real question is how long is going to take to turn this ship around? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Being how honest TB is, it should be an interesting coaches show this week. Looking forward to his comments about the second half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Still pretty stunned by the loss on Saturday. I was disappointed in our inability to change our offensive game plan. Chisholm ran the ball really well....our other RBs didn't do much. I would have really liked to see Bowden run Chisholm more in the second half and taken advantage of them being set up to stop the pass. The optimism is diminishing on this season and can't see us winning the next two weeks. This season is actually really setting up to be a two win season if we can beat UMass at home in the second to last game. Bowden warned us about this but the fun we were having at the beginning of this season took over and we all had dreams of winning more....I'm sorry I don't see that happening now. The real question is how long is going to take to turn this ship around? There is nothing wrong with dreaming in the first season of a new coach, or being positive for that matter. At this point, no loss should be stunning. We all knew what could happen this season based upon the talent level. Like you though, I was hoping it wouldn't happen. It isn't hard to stop an offense if only one RB is running well. Stop the plays they run with that guy and as Lee Adams mentioned, drop seven back in coverage. Makes me even more convinced that having a DLine with four very good run stoppers is better than one with a bunch of pass rusher or a mix of both. Stop the run with as few players as possible (4) and force the pass. With offenses running so many WRs out on patterns and given the rules of the game that don't allow a WR to be touched without a penalty, the logical defense is to out number the WRs with defenders with a combination zone/man defense. If a player hits the QB these days, he gets a head to head penalty, so blitzing opens the door for penalty yards and something I hate even more...big plays. Give the QB nothing to throw to. Turn the ship around? Given the ship was sinking last year, I'm just happy we are no longer taking on water and the ship is actually turning. Brings me to another point. When teams like UB and Akron win the league, it is during a period when the league is down or on a downward trend. The league is much better now than in recent past, but that never lasts. I expect a downturn in the league the next few years while we are on the rise. It will play in our favor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Being how honest TB is, it should be an interesting coaches show this week. Looking forward to his comments about the second half. Did you listen to the post game interview? He said that once BG realized just how thin we were at D-line and linebacker they knew just what to do. We were playing guys that weighed less than 200lbs at D-end and 185lb line backers. Our secondary is all beat up from having to make so many tackles. The game was lost when we didn't capitalize on the scoring opportunities in the first half. The dropped TD pass and the fumble at the 1 yard line. Our only hope was to keep enough pressure on BG that they felt they had to pass to keep up with us. If we had scored 24 in the first half it would have been a different game plan from BG in the second half. Once they got the lead, they played a lot of cover 2 and were able to get good pressure on DW with just rushing 4 guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Did you listen to the post game interview?I did not. Thanks. Doesn't surprise me. If I coached Tennessee, run middle would have been sixty percent of my plays. I'm looking forward to hearing about the other side of the ball, the one he is "in charge" of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 When u go from 10-0 to 24-10 that is being out coached....depth is just an excuse. TB took the responsibility for not making the adjustments while on the other side Clawson made them. Its not like anyone is pointing a finger at TB that he is not pointing at himself. Gave up on the run when Chisholm(to his credit) was running well. With this offense its sometimes hard to slow down the game when its needed. BGSU had them figured out. TB needed to slow down the game and give his D a chance to breathe. The D is what it has been,is and will be this year. When playing good teams the offense has to score 30+ to give this team a chance to win. Yep,there is and has been little depth. Thats from day one. Injuries simply magnify the effects of lack of depth. Won't change this year. Pretty quickly its going to be time to start working in more underclassmen so they get PT to build on for next season. Thats not throwing in the towel. Thats building a program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 TB took the responsibility for not making the adjustments while on the other side Clawson made them. Its not like anyone is pointing a finger at TB that he is not pointing at himself. Gave up on the run when Chisholm(to his credit) was running well. With this offense its sometimes hard to slow down the game when its needed. BGSU had them figured out. TB needed to slow down the game and give his D a chance to breathe. Good post. Chisholm, even if you take out his longest run, averaged over five yards a carry. In the second half, the Zips only ran roughly 1/3 of the plays they ran the entire game and kept the ball for roughly 10 minutes. My guess is the first two possessions of the second half for BG crushed the Zips defense. They scored one TD and one FG. They ran the ball 13 of 16 plays on those two scoring drives with some rather long runs. Those two drives alone lasted roughly 7:30. They completely exploited the lack of depth the Zips have. After BG scored their first TD, the Zips needed to respond with a balanced offense, but instead, they were flagged for five yards on their first play and had to go straight to the pass. The penalty forced a short series and put a tired defense back on the field. It snowballed out of control from there. Confidence and momentum my friends....confidence and momentum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 TB took the responsibility for not making the adjustments...If true, that's great to hear. Then we/zips/staff will "learn" and grow as a progrUm. I'll be listening for the same on the show tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 If true, that's great to hear. Then we/zips/staff will "learn" and grow as a progrUm. I'll be listening for the same on the show tonight. Yes it's true, he said as much in his post game convo with Dunn, and then again in the official presser. "I didn't come in with a plan B, and that's my fault" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 The D is what it has been,is and will be this year. When playing good teams the offense has to score 30+ to give this team a chance to win. I think that about sums it up. This year, we SHOULD win when our opponent is held to 24 points. "Defensive Depth" should not really even be part of the discussion this week. The way our offense was completely shut down after the halftime break is very puzzling. We were able to score pretty well against FIU and Tennessee in much warmer conditions, and nobody was making excuses. It shouldn't be unusual for poeple to be questioning the coaching after this one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 The optimism is diminishing on this season and can't see us winning the next two weeks. This season is actually really setting up to be a two win season if we can beat UMass at home in the second to last game. Bowden warned us about this but the fun we were having at the beginning of this season took over and we all had dreams of winning more....I'm sorry I don't see that happening now. The real question is how long is going to take to turn this ship around? Six games left and four of them are against the current top two teams in each division (though Can't is a bit of a mirage). Better beat either UMass or CMU. If we can double our win total each year for this and the next two years, (2-10, 4-8, 8-4) I'll be happy considering the mess this program was just last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 Yes it's true, he said as much in his post game convo with Dunn, and then again in the official presser. "I didn't come in with a plan B, and that's my fault"Thanks G. That makes me excited. I love to see coaches (anybody for that matter) who can admit a mistake, learn from it and improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGCEE Posted October 8, 2012 Report Share Posted October 8, 2012 From what I can see, the team is going all out, I've been to a couple of games and watching and talking to a few of them it's obvious to me that they're giving it all they have to give. The zips are a team of a few, and going up to a team of many is going to be hard to win every time especially when the team of few is banged up as the season goes by. The two games I went to in Miami and in Tennessee they were more upbeat and had more fire maybe because they could look in one central location and see and knows that that was their fans. We talk about having better talent but base on the fan support who would want to play for a school where the fans do not support the team. I'm sure if more people comes out and rally behind the team they would dig deeper and we just might shock the world. This is the only way I can see a quality D1 player choosing to be a zip. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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