Another FCS/FBS Discussion Thread

[Sergeant Zip]

There are plenty of other bowls if Can't fails to get a BCS game, like the Little Caesar’s Bowl, the Famous Idaho Potato Bowl, the GoDaddy.com Bowl, the Military Bowl, the St. Petersburg Bowl and the Heart of Dallas Bowl. I didn't make any of those up.

[LZIp]

Actually its not as simple as just a couple of teams losing. But,I'd love to see K.En.T play somebody like Florida State,South Carolina,K.State,Stanford, UCLA,Oregon,Wisconsin,Nebraska,etc. etc. But I'd rather see Akron be in that position in 3-4 years. Go Flashes!

yeah..its actually that simple.

Per Espin: At the other end of the standings, No. 17 Can't State (11-1) is just one place away from earning a spot in a BCS bowl after moving up six places this week.

The Golden Flashes play No. 21 Northern Illinois in the MAC championship on Friday. If the winner of that game moves up to No. 16 and remains ahead of a conference champion from an automatic-qualifying school, it will crash the BCS party.

There is no Big East team ranked in the top 25, and there is room for Can't State to move up if No. 16 UCLA loses to No. 8 Stanford in the Pac-12 Championship on Friday and No. 18 Texas loses at No. 6 Kansas State.

[Dave in Green]

Right, UCLA and Texas both have to lose, because if Texas upsets Kansas State, they'd move ahead of Can't but Kansas State would not drop down below Can't. But it's not unreasonable to expect both UCLA and Texas to lose, as Stanford and Kansas State are both better teams. Barring an upset in those two games, Can't could be playing in the Orange Bowl if they can beat NIU. Just what would this mean to the BCS?

Worst potential BCS bowl ever? A Can't State-Ga. Tech $50M Orange Bowl fiasco

[LZIp]

What would it mean for the MAC?

This is just a quick search, so it may not be completely accurate, but it very close.

Each BCS bowl pays out 18 million. Each participating school gets 1.74 million. The article I found is a few years old, so the participating school payout may be a little higher now.

This leaves ~ 14.52 million to be split evenly among MAC SCHOOLS!

Now, I am not sure if Can't would be counted again in the distribution, but them going to a BCS bowl is going to give us 1 million dollars!

(maybe some of that can go to our rumored lowly ~30k recruiting budget)

Hate them or not, we should be rooting for them to make it.

edit: checking DiG's article..I may be wrong. However I am pretty confident the money isnt split evenly between all 60 non-aqs...

here are my sources:

http://www.aolnews.com/2007/01/05/auburns-...l-payouts-work/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_college_bowl_games

[Sergeant Zip]

I think it's pretty safe at this point to say that this season has proven that a MAC team is fully capable of making it into a BCS bowl game without feeling guilty about wishing that Can't is not the first to do it.

And what a slap in the face wakeup call that the widely hinted UA desire to land in the Big East to achieve something like this is not only totally unnecessary, but would have been a step backward based on the ongoing methodical dismemberment of the Big East.

Another slap in the face is that Can't is getting a commercial tonight on ESPNU's All-Access

[Blue & Gold]

Another slap in the face is that Can't is getting a commercial tonight on ESPNU's All-Access

Ouch. An all-expenses paid half-hour commercial on the Worldwide Leader.

[FirstBuckeye]

A K E N T invitation to a BCS bowl is worth about a million bucks to the Zips. Hate the Flashes every day for the rest of your life, but love them on Friday.

[Z.I.P.]

Would Akron like a part of $28.2 Million? That's how much the MAC stands to gain, if the Golden F.lashes go to a BCS bowl! This article says it'll be the Orange Bowl, but others are saying the Sugar Bowl, possibly vs the Gators.

edit: Woops, didn't see DiG already linked this.

[LZIp]

Would Akron like a part of $28.2 Million? That's how much the MAC stands to gain, if the Golden F.lashes go to a BCS bowl! This article says it'll be the Orange Bowl, but others are saying the Sugar Bowl, possibly vs the Gators.

edit: Woops, didn't see DiG already linked this.

I dont think that article is correct. The highest payout I can find is 18 million. And all non-AQs sure as hell dont split that payout. The Orange Bowl is sending reps to the MAC championship FWIW.

[ZachTheZip]

I dont think that article is correct. The highest payout I can find is 18 million. And all non-AQs sure as hell dont split that payout. The Orange Bowl is sending reps to the MAC championship FWIW.

The BCS money is split among all the non-BCS conferences. The participating conference gets the majority of the money, and the others each get something around $800k to split between their schools.

The 18 million figure would be the share the MAC would get with a participating team.

[Z.I.P.]

The BCS money is split among all the non-BCS conferences. The participating conference gets the majority of the money, and the others each get something around $800k to split between their schools.

The 18 million figure would be the share the MAC would get with a participating team.

When Hawaii qualified for the Sugar Bowl in 2007 (IIRC), the WAC reportedly received around $20 Mil. Of that, UH kept about 1/2, which allowed them to balance the books for a couple years. Too bad its all gone now, considering their last two FB games at Aloha Stadium drew 5-6k (Boise) and about 10-12k (UNLV).

[johnnyzip84]

Joe Dunn had the MAC's Director of Communications (Jeremy Guy?) on 1350 am this afternoon. The question regarding potential BCS-bowl payout was discussed. Mr Guy confirmed that K.E.N.T. would land the conference about $13.5 million should they "bust the BCS". Now I have NEVER rooted for K.E.N.T. in anything....not the baseball team this past season, not the Trevor Huffman hoops teams, not the Lady Flushes during their NCAA runs, not even Ben Curtis. But even I have a practical side. First, I reiterate that I think NIU will win, partly because I don't think the Flushes are at 100%. But I will be rooting for K.E.N.T. for the following reasons:

1) the money

2) the added notoriety for the conference - we've all whined about the MAC for years, so why not root for this unprecedented run of gridiron success to continue

3) like class of '82 has mentioned, it keeps the onus on the Zips to get better

4) this is the kind of thing "Joe Akron" pays attention to - now we have to be careful that he doesn't turn into "Joe K.E.N.T.", but anything that makes next year's home slate more desirable is a positive in terms of selling the program.

ps. This will probably not happen again (me rooting for K.E.N.T.), unless they happen to face OSU anytime in my lifetime.

pss. Should this landfall occur, the MAC should force UMass to make an all-in or all-out choice. I believe they would receive a full (equal) share., as would everyone else

[Sergeant Zip]

FWIW, 92.3 The Fan to carry the play-by-play for the MAC Championship Friday night. Broadcast begins at 6:45 p.m.

[ZachTheZip]

FWIW, 92.3 The Fan to carry the play-by-play for the MAC Championship Friday night. Broadcast begins at 6:45 p.m.

That's a station I think we should look into broadcasting our games from. They don't get very good reception in Akron, but they could replace the AM stations we use in the Cleveland area. They're desperate for carrying live sports, getting out-bid for every pro sport by the Clear Channel stations.

[Lee Adams]

Lets see how many more butts in the seats there are for Zips games next year after all this is done. The $$$ inherited from the success of other teams like the F.L.A.S.h.E.S and NIU is nice. But,honestly,we should be this excited if Akron is 5-6 next season. How many of you went to the MAC championshiop game and the Motor City Bowl game in 2005? THAT was exciting. But,didn't do a lot of good long term.

[skip-zip]

My thoughts remain the same. Everyone needs to ask themselves how much AKRON benefits and how much KEN+ benefits from Ken+ being in a major Bowl Game. Their benefit is infinitely greater. They could become the new media darling of lower tier teams from the midwest, if they haven't already. Does anyone really want to compete against that for years to come? I don't.

[ziptrumpet87]

My thoughts remain the same. Everyone needs to ask themselves how much AKRON benefits and how much KEN+ benefits from Ken+ being in a major Bowl Game. Their benefit is infinitely greater. They could become the new media darling of lower tier teams from the midwest, if they haven't already. Does anyone really want to compete against that for years to come? I don't.

I don't think their coach will be around much longer, so it may not matter. We have just as much potential with TB.

[johnnyzip84]

My thoughts remain the same. Everyone needs to ask themselves how much AKRON benefits and how much KEN+ benefits from Ken+ being in a major Bowl Game. Their benefit is infinitely greater. They could become the new media darling of lower tier teams from the midwest, if they haven't already. Does anyone really want to compete against that for years to come? I don't.

I suppose it all depends on who you think is better equipped for the long haul. K.E.N.T.'s short term benefit would certainly be much greater, but I like Akron's chances looking beyond a few seasons. In fact, the harder the climb for the Zips I believe will ultimately result in a stronger, more resilient program. I don't deny that none of this will happen unless TB starts to accumulate a few wins next year and a few more after that.

[LZIp]

My thoughts remain the same. Everyone needs to ask themselves how much AKRON benefits and how much KEN+ benefits from Ken+ being in a major Bowl Game. Their benefit is infinitely greater. They could become the new media darling of lower tier teams from the midwest, if they haven't already. Does anyone really want to compete against that for years to come? I don't.

Can't will more than likely go back to irrelevancy as soon as Hazell leaves, which I would be shocked if it wasnt this offseason.

[ZachTheZip]

Can't will more than likely go back to irrelevancy as soon as Hazell leaves, which I would be shocked if it wasnt this offseason.

Knowing them, they would try to replicate their success by hiring Luke Fickell.

[LZIp]

Knowing them, they would try to replicate their success by hiring Luke Fickell.

Probably, Im not sure how much faith I have in Fickell being a HC, though. He looked horrible with the Buckeyes last year.

Also, didnt we hire Ianello over Fickell?

[skip-zip]

I suppose it all depends on who you think is better equipped for the long haul. K.E.N.T.'s short term benefit would certainly be much greater, but I like Akron's chances looking beyond a few seasons. In fact, the harder the climb for the Zips I believe will ultimately result in a stronger, more resilient program. I don't deny that none of this will happen unless TB starts to accumulate a few wins next year and a few more after that.

I think you have to look at the possibility that they have put themselves in a position to be a TCU or Boise State, where a historic accomplishment vaults you into a state of notoriety for many, many years to come. It's not just a possible MAC title we're talking about here. It's potentially much bigger than that.

[skip-zip]

Knowing them, they would try to replicate their success by hiring Luke Fickell.

That is hilarious.

[K92]

I think you have to look at the possibility that they have put themselves in a position to be a TCU or Boise State, where a historic accomplishment vaults you into a state of notoriety for many, many years to come. It's not just a possible MAC title we're talking about here. It's potentially much bigger than that.

First thing they would have to do is win tomorrow.

Then wait & see what happens with the other Saturday games to see if they get the BCS invite.

Thirdly, they would need to win on the big stage.

Lastly, they would need to retain their coach long term.

At that point, Can't could be compared to Boise or TCU. My guess is that IF they get to a BCS game they will perform a whole lot more like Cincinnati or Hawaii than the other two.

Go Huskies!

[johnnyzip84]

First thing they would have to do is win tomorrow.

Then wait & see what happens with the other Saturday games to see if they get the BCS invite.

Thirdly, they would need to win on the big stage.

Lastly, they would need to retain their coach long term.

At that point, Can't could be compared to Boise or TCU. My guess is that IF they get to a BCS game they will perform a whole lot more like Cincinnati than the other two.

Go Huskies!

Good summary.

I should clarify that if the Toothless Fairy (we are talking about Portage County) came to me and said, "if NIU can completely stomp K.E.N.T. (like 65-0) tomorrow night, I'll see to it that Boise loses to Nevada and make sure all the other outcomes are favorable for a Husky BCS appearance" I would jump on that in a heartbeat!

I guess the bottom line for me is that I would like to see a MAC team in a BCS bowl. My LEAST favorite option is K.E.N.T. (by far), but I still want to see a MAC team in a BCS bowl. Even though the BCS is transforming into something else with the 4-team playoff, I'm not sure we'll see a MAC team get another opportunity to play in this type of game (whatever they call it in the future) any time soon.