FBS/FCS Debate

[Wally B]

We'll agree that those are SOLID FCS attendance numbers. Spin, why is it that apparently we're the only two who can actually read and digest numbers and facts as they apply to this program?

Oh no,.... we grasp what you're saying here. Our three worst years garnered us the attention of a good FCS team. So at our worst, we should move back down just so we look good.....

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

Oh no,.... we grasp what you're saying here. Our three worst years garnered us the attention of a good FCS team. So at our worst, we should move back down just so we look good.....

Of all the posters on this thread, you are the one who is the most antagonistic, wallabee. Why is that? Are you capable of carrying on a discussion, even arguing, without being condescending and A-hole-ish?

And, to the point, if you read my posts, you will see that I argue that we have failed for 25+ years. The last three have simply crystallized that failure, but make no mistake that there is no denying that this program has never consistently achieved at the FBS level, as an Independent, nor in the MAC.

[Zips Win!]

And that's what this is really about, isn't it? I see this recurring theme over and over -- people tying their manhood to the results of their school's football team. They can't face up to the taunts of their friends questioning the ability of their college football team. So they want their football team to drop down and play against elementary school girls so they can run up a great winning record and restore your manhood. Grow your own pair.

Love it!

Finally, off the fence - you took a side, made a point, short and sweet.

+1

[Spin]

OK, I get it now. The general home attendance trend of this season was downward throughout the year as the losses mounted. Generally with a winning team, after accounting for variables like weather, special events, etc., more fans tend to show up for games against bigger name opponents in any sport at any school.

EDIT: Forgot to mention that the Bowling Green game was a small upward blip in the otherwise downward attendance trend because it celebrated homecoming.

Or you could look at it that Morgan drew the biggest crowd because it was a winnable game. And it didn't matter that it was a n FCS school, we could be competitive, and people wanted to watch it.

But either way you look at it, attendance will increase with more wins. And nobody stays away because the opponent is FCS. Just as they don't stay away from Canal PArk because the opponent is only AA,

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

I cannot believe that one of the lame-ass moderators moved what was one of the largest post-count football threads in months to this lightly-visited dark corner of ZN.org. To whichever of you idiots moved the thread, and didn't even keep it listed where it belongs, in the football area, SCREW YOU.

If a poster cannot maintain a solid discussion on this site without having to blow smoke up asses about this program, it's not worth posting on. Shame on you, you lame, sorry, coward. You didn't like the thread, maybe didn't like my posts, so you just stuck it in a place where nobody will even see it. Whichever moderator it was, kiss my ass!

[ZachTheZip]

But either way you look at it, attendance will increase with more wins. And nobody stays away because the opponent is FCS. Just as they don't stay away from Canal PArk because the opponent is only AA,

You don't think people stay away from Canal park because the Aeroes are AA? Then why don't they match the Indians in attendance, or at least sell out all their seats in such a small stadium? They obviously win way more often than the Indians do.

Do you see people walking around wearing Aeros gear, or calling into sports talk shows to talk about teh Aeroes for any reason other than to say that the Indians should call a player up?

[ZachTheZip]

I cannot believe that one of the lame-ass moderators moved what was one of the largest post-count football threads in months to this lightly-visited dark corner of ZN.org. To whichever of you idiots moved the thread, and didn't even keep it listed where it belongs, in the football area, SCREW YOU.

If a poster cannot maintain a solid discussion on this site without having to blow smoke up asses about this program, it's not worth posting on. Shame on you, you lame, sorry, coward. You didn't like the thread, maybe didn't like my posts, so you just stuck it in a place where nobody will even see it. Whichever moderator it was, kiss my ass!

It's hard to discuss something with an idiot who only listens to what few facts support his own moronic argument while ignoring everything else, and who's communication skills devolve into a string of curses when people refuse to dumb themselves down to that level.

[K92]

I cannot believe that one of the lame-ass moderators moved what was one of the largest post-count football threads in months to this lightly-visited dark corner of ZN.org. To whichever of you idiots moved the thread, and didn't even keep it listed where it belongs, in the football area, SCREW YOU.

If a poster cannot maintain a solid discussion on this site without having to blow smoke up asses about this program, it's not worth posting on. Shame on you, you lame, sorry, coward. You didn't like the thread, maybe didn't like my posts, so you just stuck it in a place where nobody will even see it. Whichever moderator it was, kiss my ass!

[Spin]

I cannot believe that one of the lame-ass moderators moved what was one of the largest post-count football threads in months to this lightly-visited dark corner of ZN.org. To whichever of you idiots moved the thread, and didn't even keep it listed where it belongs, in the football area, SCREW YOU.

If a poster cannot maintain a solid discussion on this site without having to blow smoke up asses about this program, it's not worth posting on. Shame on you, you lame, sorry, coward. You didn't like the thread, maybe didn't like my posts, so you just stuck it in a place where nobody will even see it. Whichever moderator it was, kiss my ass!

Sorry to see ya go.

It is pretty sad that some people who have no interest (or lost interest) in a topic can control what everyone else discusses. Guess we better tow the company line 'round here from now on.

Don't nobody mention arena locations...

[K92]

Moving this thread to the off topic folder doesn't hide it from anyone. When you use the "View new posts" button it brings up all threads that have been added to since your last visit, even those from the off topic folder. As a matter of fact, I see 2 threads in the OT folder with more views than this one at first glance.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

It's hard to discuss something with an idiot who only listens to what few facts support his own moronic argument while ignoring everything else, and who's communication skills devolve into a string of curses when people refuse to dumb themselves down to that level.

Hey Zach, unless you are a moderator, I wasn't talking to you. I would happily discuss and argue with you, if only some pathetic moderator didn't feel the need to move threads like this into the shadows. Whichever mod made the move didn't have the courtesy to link to it from the football section, nor to explain why it was being moved. That's bullshit and you know it.

@Keener, same to you. You two have been participating, arguing, disagreeing, in the thread, and I appreciated your comments even when I disagreed with them. The point isn't whether we agree, the point is that this was the most active thread in the football section and there was absolutely no reason to move it.

It sure looks like discussion that argues anything other than "stay the course" isn't welcome on ZN. That's shitty.

[Dave in Green]

Some of the more interesting threads on ZN.o have been in OT. Everyone who wants to read this thread and participate in it will find it. It's really no big deal.

[MDZip]

I'd love to see home and home series against Cincinnati, Pitt, WV. Even Army. But how do we get there?

In the last several years we have had a home and home with both Cinci and Army, and have a home and home scheduled with Pitt in 2014 and 2015 (assuming it actually occurs), so it is not only possible but probable with some of the lower level BCS schools (did a 2-1 with Syracuse as well - also found it interesting their coach was hired to coach the Buffalo Bills after 4 OK years after the Zips helped run off their previous coach).

[MDZip]

We can't give up yet - we just have to win the MAC and beat out the five champions from the other conferences and we are in a major bowl game.

Also, the highest-rated champion from the Group of Five conferences (Big East, Conference USA, Mid-American, Mountain West and Sun Belt) will earn a berth in either in one of the six major bowls; except they will never be eligible for the Sugar or Rose bowls.

[GP1]

Article

Looks like this thread didn't matter because before too long, the BCS schools will have to drop down to DIII if they pay their players. Maybe if they pay coaches less, they could pay players.

BTW, Jim Delany is an idiot.

[Dave in Green]

Money creates its own slippery slope. The more money, the slipperier the slope. To eliminate the fight over who gets how big a cut, in which attorneys always come out on top, simply make a rule that all money generated by college sports must be donated to legitimate charities and not used for selfish interests. Let the fight over money be confined to professional sports. Otherwise, the college battle for money will eventually move down to a high school battle for money, and then on down to pee-wee football. Draw a line somewhere and make it stick.

[GP1]

Money creates its own slippery slope. The more money, the slipperier the slope.

There are universities putting out quarter of billion dollar bonds to fund stadium renovations that will cost taxpayers far more than a quarter of a billion dollars. There are coaches being paid millions of dollars. Coaches are being paid millions in endorsement money. Universities are being paid millions in endorsement money. There are hundreds of millions being made on TV revenue from networks such as ESPN and having their own TV networks. Entire towns bank on the revenues generated by home football games. The NCAA runs almost entirely on the money generated by the NCAA Tournament. Athletic directors are unwisely using public funds to build up their resumes so they can move on to other schools and make more money and unwisely use the public funds in that state. Conferences are jockeying for position to move from one conference to the next for money reasons. Many universities use winning programs to generate money for their Foundations. Universities build stadiums that sit half empty on game day because they have ADs who tell them the only way to compete is to spend money on "facilities upgrades".

Don't you think we are a little past the "slippery slope" argument?

[Zipmeister]

AHA. Money IS the problem.

Easy fix...take money out of the equation.

Only use volunteer coaches, all game tickets are free, get equipment companies to donate equipment (or eliminate equipment so the game isn't so brutal), free concessions, free parking, no scholarships for anybody, etc.

[GP1]

AHA. Money IS the problem.

Easy fix...take money out of the equation.

Only use volunteer coaches, all game tickets are free, get equipment companies to donate equipment (or eliminate equipment so the game isn't so brutal), free concessions, free parking, no scholarships for anybody, etc.

Money was never the problem. Greed was the problem. Money is just a product of greed. Greedy athletic directors. Greedy coaches. Greedy networks. The list goes on...

Greed caused the survival problem we have now. Schools now have to sell their souls in order to pay for the stadiums, athletic directors and coaches. Schools have put themselves in a position that it is impossible to take enormous amounts of dollars out of athletics or it will collapse under its own weight. Too big to fail at this point.

[Zipmeister]

My bad. I thought your post mentioned money.

There are universities putting out quarter of billion dollar bonds to fund stadium renovations that will cost taxpayers far more than a quarter of a billion dollars. There are coaches being paid millions of dollars. Coaches are being paid millions in endorsement money. Universities are being paid millions in endorsement money. There are hundreds of millions being made on TV revenue from networks such as ESPN and having their own TV networks. Entire towns bank on the revenues generated by home football games. The NCAA runs almost entirely on the money generated by the NCAA Tournament. Athletic directors are unwisely using public funds to build up their resumes so they can move on to other schools and make more money and unwisely use the public funds in that state. Conferences are jockeying for position to move from one conference to the next for money reasons. Many universities use winning programs to generate money for their Foundations. Universities build stadiums that sit half empty on game day because they have ADs who tell them the only way to compete is to spend money on "facilities upgrades".

[Blue & Gold]

1 Timothy 6:10

How 1 Timothy 6:10 is often misquoted: "Money is the root of all evil."

What 1 Timothy 6:10 actually says: "The love of money is a root of all kinds of evil."

"For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil. Some people, eager for money, have wandered from the faith and pierced themselves with many griefs."

[GP1]

My bad. I thought your post mentioned money.

Diagram the sentences. The subject of a sentence is usually what it is about. Those with the greed are the subjects.

Try harder.

[Dave in Green]

Money is power. Power corrupts.

[Zipmeister]

Diagram the sentences. The subject of a sentence is usually what it is about. Those with the greed are the subjects.

Try harder.

OK, I guess it was your bad. Following your suggestion, I diagrammed each sentence in your post. I note that neither the noun "greed" nor any derivative of "greed" appears in any of the sentences. From the tone of your post one can deduce that you hold the subjects of most of your sentences in low regard, but one cannot definitively conclude that they are greedy. One could just as correctly (or incorrectly) conclude that there is some other derogatory aspect associated with the subjects; e.g., that they are stupid. In any event, your post makes it clear that the problem is money. Take away the money and they have little reason to be greedy.

GO ZIPS

[Sergeant Zip]

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