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[Buckzip]

He was only the third best coach in the league when he couldn't handle the pressure any longer.

The road to the national title was then and still is much more difficult for an sec team coming out of the sec west than the east. Nick Saban and Les Miles were then and still are better coaches than Meyer. They win boatloads of games in more difficult conditions and handle the pressure much better. The pressure got to Meyer and he fled to an easier path and quite honestly, a greener pasture because he is breaking the bank in Columbus.

Any proof of any of this or is this just your "expert" opinion?

[GP1]

The whole "SEC Speed" thing came after Florida ran circles around OSU in the national title game. It was heavily pushed by ESPN. I do not know of any SEC fans that I talk to on a normal basis, from from what I read online, people still try to push the agenda of the SEC having some superior speed, while simultaneously taking a shot at the Midwest's lack of speed.

What SEC team plays in NC?

That was six years ago and Florida was the faster team as a point of fact. Since then, the only people continuing the conversation are tosu fans and a few sites that don't have much original to say. Just shut up about it and the silence will be bliss. There might be some minor echos, but once they realize nobody is listening, they will stop as well.

I live in SC just across the border from NC.

[GP1]

Any proof of any of this or is this just your "expert" opinion?

Expert opinion.

[Zips Win!]

Anyone on this board that brags about the SEC does so at the expense of the MAC. There are a few main culprits, but it's being done to take shots at OSU. I'll again point out that a 3-loss SEC teams sits just behind NIU in the BCS standings. I'm supposed to be happy about that? It's absurd. LSU is getting credit for what they and other SEC teams have done in the past. This year the SEC is good, but has not been dominant. And then there's Georgia. Plenty of losses, riddled with injuries, and a history of coming up small in big games. But they keep getting ranked.

Like it or not, the national perception of the MAC is that it's players who couldn't get into Big Ten schools. A stronger Big Ten is better for us. Midwest schools - Big Ten, MAC, Notre Dame - all need to perform better for us to be taken more seriously.

A simple solution to this thread would be to permanently have the posts of Legend, LZip, Buckzip and DFG all get routed to either the trash or an OSU site.

Bragging about the SEC has zero impact on the Zips or the MAC. Likewise, I have no idea how a better big-ten helps the Zips! What I want is for players to realize they can come to UA and play immediately...over shitty teams like Iowa IU and Illinois, etc... And yes, I will continue to take shots at OSU fans posting on a Zips message board. Root for them all you want..just take it elsewhere.

That 3-loss SEC along with four others in the SEC would have gone undefeated with OSU's schedule. Likewise, OSU playing any of the SEC schedules would have 3 losses. The hardest game OSU had this year was vs. Northwestern...and they went 1-7 in conference. Laughable.

My stance has been the same for 30 years. It's all about scheduling. Pick the best teams playing the hardest schedules. And if OSU would qualify, so be it. But they don't, and rarely do with the easy schedules.

Ohioans love the computer rankings for high school football. When it comes to the various computer rankings for college football, reality sets in.

The Sagarin rating has OSU 7th-where they belong. They also have that 2-loss Oregon team in the top 5 due to a harder schedule....I could go on....As for NIU, they are rated 20 something I think.....but their SOS is 134.

I love the 4-team playoff- (as long as SOS is a main factor). Too bad we don't have it this year!

[legendofzippy]

I live in an SEC state and attend at least two sec games a year. I can assure you that nobody at sec games is sitting around talking about slow midwest teams.

Do you really expect anyone to believe that? There's this thing called the internet. I guess I'd only have to ignore half of it to believe SEC fans don't brag about speed.

You, and others, have such a blinding jealously of OSU's success, that it skews your reality. It makes the first quote in your signature line quite hilarious.

Amazingly enough, it's possible for both OSU and Akron to be successful. Get over it.

[legendofzippy]

And so what? What if it is true and it isn't a negative. Stanford is big and slow. Oregon is small and fast. Big and slow won.

I think this actually argues my point. Oregon was ranked higher before that game, again because of the "fast" perception.

That's why NIU is ranked too low. Again, if that were Akron, you'd be pissed.

Sort of off the main point, but here's how ESPN views the MAC. Notice our FPI is dead last:

Conference Rankings

And here's each team:

FPI and Team Efficiencies

We're 108 and ranked lower than Purdue, one of the worst Big Ten teams in recent memory.

I really don't see how "the Big Ten sucks" helps us in any way at all.

[GP1]

Do you really expect anyone to believe that? There's this thing called the internet. I guess I'd only have to ignore half of it to believe SEC fans don't brag about speed.

You, and others, have such a blinding jealously of OSU's success, that it skews your reality. It makes the first quote in your signature line quite hilarious.

Amazingly enough, it's possible for both OSU and Akron to be successful. Get over it.

Believe it because it is true. People don't sit around their tailgate talking about slow midwestern kids. They don't run videos at SEC games about the Big Ten. They simply have their minds in a different place. They have their minds focused on their team and the success of their team. Not the success of their team as it relates to another conference. It is a subject almost exclusively obsessed upon by midwest football fans.

I'm not jealous of anything tosu is or has. I know what they are and I know what we are. In fact, if I didn't have to read your stupid posts about them on a Zips board, I'd probably never think about them very much at all until I saw a story on TV or something.

It is possible for both tosu and Akron to be successful. You'll excuse me if I could care less about tosu's success. It's not jealousy, it's indifference.

SEC fans think their league is really good. It is really good, but not as good as they think it is and certainly way off this year. Way, way, way, way down the list of reasons why their league is good is "We are faster than Big Ten players."

Please step away from the internet and enjoy college football.

[zippy5]

I think this actually argues my point. Oregon was ranked higher before that game, again because of the "fast" perception.

That's why NIU is ranked too low. Again, if that were Akron, you'd be pissed.

Sort of off the main point, but here's how ESPN views the MAC. Notice our FPI is dead last:

Conference Rankings

And here's each team:

FPI and Team Efficiencies

We're 108 and ranked lower than Purdue, one of the worst Big Ten teams in recent memory.

I really don't see how "the Big Ten sucks" helps us in any way at all.

NIU is ranked low because they play in the MAC.

[skip-zip]

The whole "SEC Speed" thing came after Florida ran circles around OSU in the national title game. It was heavily pushed by ESPN. I do not know of any SEC fans that I talk to on a normal basis, from from what I read online, people still try to push the agenda of the SEC having some superior speed, while simultaneously taking a shot at the Midwest's lack of speed.

During this current era of SEC dominance, what really gets talked about is the superior speed of the INTERIOR people, and that OSWho vs. Florida game just happened to be one of the first, and most glaring examples.

At the other more skilled positions, sure, plenty of teams have speed.

Don't forget. There's been a lot written about the population shift in America over the last few decades as a contributing factor to better athletes being from the South. I'm sure there's some truth to that. Look no further than Michigan and OSWho. Only 1 title each for these two schools since the 60s?

[skip-zip]

NIU is ranked low because they play in the MAC.

As I said earlier, they got screwed by not having a good enough "name" to be ranked decently in the pre-season polls. If they were, they'd legitimately have a crack at the NC game, if the pollsters are indeed placing a premium on "unbeaten".

I once saw someone on here (please identify yourself) suggest that we should NOT have preseason polls. I couldn't agree more. It gives an unfair advantage to certain teams, right out of the blocks, before they have done anything to prove their value.

Take OSWho for example. I believe they were ranked #2 in preseason? And they've been leapfrogged 4 times this year, and still have the inside track on a NC Game bid? Would that have happened if they didn't have such a superior position before they even played a game?

It would be the equivalent to a race car driver being given the poll position, based on his name, without running any qualifying heats.

[Buckzip]

Expert opinion.

Kind of what I thought. LOL

[Buckzip]

Believe it because it is true. People don't sit around their tailgate talking about slow midwestern kids. They don't run videos at SEC games about the Big Ten. They simply have their minds in a different place. They have their minds focused on their team and the success of their team. Not the success of their team as it relates to another conference. It is a subject almost exclusively obsessed upon by midwest football fans.

I'm not jealous of anything tosu is or has. I know what they are and I know what we are. In fact, if I didn't have to read your stupid posts about them on a Zips board, I'd probably never think about them very much at all until I saw a story on TV or something.

It is possible for both tosu and Akron to be successful. You'll excuse me if I could care less about tosu's success. It's not jealousy, it's indifference.

SEC fans think their league is really good. It is really good, but not as good as they think it is and certainly way off this year. Way, way, way, way down the list of reasons why their league is good is "We are faster than Big Ten players."

Please step away from the internet and enjoy college football.

I was called out for saying basically the same thing last night about the secheats.

[zippy5]

As I said earlier, they got screwed by not having a good enough "name" to be ranked decently in the pre-season polls. If they were, they'd legitimately have a crack at the NC game, if the pollsters are indeed placing a premium on "unbeaten".

I once saw someone on here (please identify yourself) suggest that we should NOT have preseason polls. I couldn't agree more. It gives an unfair advantage to certain teams, right out of the blocks, before they have done anything to prove their value.

Take OSWho for example. I believe they were ranked #2 in preseason? And they've been leapfrogged 4 times this year, and still have the inside track on a NC Game bid? Would that have happened if they didn't have such a superior position before they even played a game?

It would be the equivalent to a race car driver being given the poll position, based on his name, without running any qualifying heats.

Not a good enough name, conference affiliation, either or, we are in agreement. They aren't ranked 14th because of some Midwestern inferiority complex. I'm 100% in agreement on no preseason polls.

[Dr Z]

SEC fans think their league is really good. It is really good, but not as good as they think it is and certainly way off this year. Way, way, way, way down the list of reasons why their league is good is "We are faster than Big Ten players."

I think it's between 3 and 8 on the list.

PS the MAC had as many players as the L10 did in this years first round of the NFL draft (and MAC went higher). SEC had 12 times more. A lot of teams in that league put an emphasis on speed.

[GP1]

What I want is for players to realize they can come to UA and play immediately...over shitty teams like Iowa IU and Illinois, etc...

It's funny you bring this up. I thought about something similar this year and it relates to a now freshman WR at Purdue you know about.

I was sitting at the Wake vs. NC State game this year and looking over the program, I saw a couple starters for NC State were from Ohio. Solid contributors too and one was a redshirt freshman. It got me thinking. For a kid from Ohio, the scenario is usually this. Rejected by tosu, look at another Big Ten school then the MAC. What is the difference between Purdue, Indiana, Iowa, Illinois and NC State, Virginia, GA Tech and other warm weather ACC schools? The warm weather schools are clearly the better selection because of the warm weather and hot southern girls. No reason to wear a parka down here. It makes no sense to me that a kid would select West Lafayette, Blomington or Champaigne over Raleigh, Atlanta or Charlottesville.

I don't think it is realistic to believe many kids are going to select the mac over a BCS school as a primary choice for a kid with talent to play in a BCS conference. The play right away card is tempting; however, if all kids who could play right away went to a mac school, soon there would be enough good upperclassmen that they could never cut in line and would have to wait their turn. With the coaching turnover rates at bad BCS schools, the play right away card can be dealt out quite a bit by those schools also. The play right away card is for bad programs. I hope in the next couple of years, the Zips are past that point and into a normal recruiting cycle.

To me, the question for these kids should be: Warm weather vs. cold weather. There isn't much difference between the Big Ten and ACC. Why not live in better weather?

[GP1]

I was called out for saying basically the same thing last night about the secheats.

The word "fan" is short for fanatic. Why would you argue with a fanatic? Ignore them. Enjoy life.

[Buckzip]

The word "fan" is short for fanatic. Why would you argue with a fanatic? Ignore them. Enjoy life.

I do ignore them. Isn't it obvious?

I just get a good laugh over it though.

Their are a couple real fruit loops here. It makes this place fun.

[LZIp]

A simple solution to this thread would be to permanently have the posts of Legend, LZip, Buckzip and DFG all get routed to either the trash or an OSU site.

baha. How dare we have a discussion on the current state of college football on this forum? I've enjoyed it. Whether I agree with some posters or not, there have been a lot of solid points brought up.

[GP1]

PS the MAC had as many players as the L10 did in this years first round of the NFL draft (and MAC went higher). SEC had 12 times more. A lot of teams in that league put an emphasis on speed.

That's all well and good. I do agree the sec is faster than the Big Ten and I think that although it is down this year, it is still the best conference in college football. I'll trust my eyes on that one. Unlike tosu and Big Ten fans, I'm not obsessed about that fact.

Big Ten fans might wonder how I watch a Big Ten game without worrying about what the sec fans think of Big Ten speed...I use my eyes. Like the mac, I know what it is and when a game is good, I watch. When it is bad, I find something else to do with my time. Sometimes, I just like watching football. Case in point. Earlier this year, my wife and I flew to Chicago to meet friends from Pittsburgh for a weekend. Didn't have much to do Saturday so we took the train up to Northwestern to watch them play Minnesota. 11 AM CST start...Captain Kangaroo would have had a stroke. We got tickets on the 50 for $25 per person. Had a great day watching college football and not once did anyone around us at our seat or at the bar before the game talk about the SEC. Somehow, tosu fans can't talk about college football for five minutes without becoming paranoid about what sec fans think about their speed.

I think this is what has happened to tosu fans. They worry so much about what other people think of their program and the Big Ten that they have trouble fully enjoying football. If they could just drop the self induced paranoia, they might be less of a bunch of a-holes. Maybe they would swear less often as well. Personally, I wish they would all just go away and worry about something else like the war on Christmas.

[GP1]

Their are a couple real fruit loops here. It makes this place fun.

Part of the charm of living in the south is the southern fruit loop. Most are good people with a streak of crazy in them that makes them fun to be around. Frequently, they come from an entire family of southern crazy and those are the most fun to be around.

[LZIp]

Part of the charm of living in the south is the southern fruit loop. Most are good people with a streak of crazy in them that makes them fun to be around. Frequently, they come from an entire family of southern crazy and those are the most fun to be around.

Just like the 'Bama fan who killed somebody at her watch party because they didn't seem upset about losing to Auburn. haha. Ton of crazies in the south.

[GP1]

Just like the 'Bama fan who killed somebody at her watch party because they didn't seem upset about losing to Auburn. haha. Ton of crazies in the south.

I didn't mean murderous crazy. More like the family that likes to go to an Atlantic island and drink lots and lots of booze together. The cast of characters usually involves:

The Husband: Nice, guy who tuned his wife out years ago...probably the day after they got married.

The Housewife: Nice woman who sits inside all day with the blinds drawn drinking brown liquor. Worries that her son might be gay.

The First Son: Went to same college as father and was in same fraternity. Married woman his mother wanted him to. Has secret gay lover.

The First Daughter: Went to same college as where parents met. Majored in Education. Married college sweetheart. Basically living her mother's life. Having regular sex with the tennis instructor at the country club just like the other five women on her tennis team.

Sibling Three: Largely ignored for its entire life. Knows older brother is gay but doesn't want to mention it because it is a sin. Knows sister is banging tennis instructor, and could care less. Hopes parents don't spend all of the inheritance.

Put all of these personalities together and it makes for a great cocktail party.

[Buckzip]

baha. How dare we have a discussion on the current state of college football on this forum? I've enjoyed it. Whether I agree with some posters or not, there have been a lot of solid points brought up.

What's funny is those posters listed aren't eve the ones that start the crap. LOL. Some people are so clueless that it is absolutely hilarious.

[Buckzip]

Just like the 'Bama fan who killed somebody at her watch party because they didn't seem upset about losing to Auburn. haha. Ton of crazies in the south.

There are crazies in every fan base.

Hell, look, at this fanbase. There is only 15 of us and there are a couple crazies.

Imagine the fan bases that sell out the 100,000 and up stadiums every week.

[Buckzip]

Part of the charm of living in the south is the southern fruit loop. Most are good people with a streak of crazy in them that makes them fun to be around. Frequently, they come from an entire family of southern crazy and those are the most fun to be around.

I love my Georgia Walmart rednecks.

I could just go hang out at Walmart and be entertained on a Saturday night.