johnnyzip84 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I figure it was time for this pool. Hopefully I set it up correctly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 ESPN, and most of the athletic directors in the MAC for that matter, are more interested in themselves than the MAC schools. It makes no sense to me for us to participate in something that does not serve our best interests. The next deal the MAC makes with ESPN will probably be worse than the current. There are now plenty of national sports networks on the air. The MAC should be looking for another network or a deal with a regional network I could watch at home on Direct TV. Our thinking is completely in the past. We have met the enemy and we are us. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ziptrumpet87 Posted March 1, 2014 Report Share Posted March 1, 2014 I don't mind it as much as when it is an away game. Guess someone has to get screwed to have a game. How much do we make off these games anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted August 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It doesn't look like MACtion will be ending any time soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Someone explain to me how that's a good deal. For Akron it may be (because our attendance has sucked the past couple of years). But would the TV revenue (split amongst the teams) ever equal the lost revenue from ticket sales for being a weekday game? Thoughts... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Someone explain to me how that's a good deal. For Akron it may be (because our attendance has sucked the past couple of years). But would the TV revenue (split amongst the teams) ever equal the lost revenue from ticket sales for being a weekday game? Thoughts...Sure wouldn't seem like it. They said the old deal was $1M per year. Lets says it got upped to $1.2M. When the MAC shortly returns to 12 members that would be $100K per school per year. If the average ticket price sold over for those games was even $10, you'd only have to get 500 more fans at another couple of games instead of those Tuesday/Wednesday games if you get scheduled with two of them at home like the Zips did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 It doesn't look like MACtion will be ending any time soon.My favorite part of this ESPN piece......The Mid-American Conference and ESPN have agreed to a new 13-year media rights deal through 2026-27, an industry source told ESPN.Really? An industry source told ESPN about ESPNs deal with the MAC! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Sure wouldn't seem like it. They said the old deal was $1M per year. Lets says it got upped to $1.2M. When the MAC shortly returns to 12 members that would be $100K per school per year. If the average ticket price sold over for those games was even $10, you'd only have to get 500 more fans at another couple of games instead of those Tuesday/Wednesday games if you get scheduled with two of them at home like the Zips did.The old MAC deal was locked in at a stupidly low payout by the previous MAC commissioner. I'm pretty sure that's why he was replaced, in fact.If the new deal isn't worth at least $15 million annually, the MAC is getting short-changed. The AAC's deal is $20 million, the MWC's deal is worth $18 million, and C-USA's is $14 million per year. The MAC in its current state is between the MWC and C-USA in terms of football quality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Maybe it isnt all bad...http://www.ubbullrun.com/2014/8/18/5763436/within-two-weeks-mid-american-conference-and-espn-television-deal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 As I have stated before, I am a selfish fan. #Maction games are fantastic when I am not attending in person. If I am attending, I prefer the game to kick on Saturday night. Weekday night games are not only tailgater unfriendly, but are not attendance friendly in general and I think an empty stadium looks terrible on television. My 2 cents.One thing that would make #Maction games better to view on television is a competent announcing team that is well versed on the conference instead of a couple of d-list rum dum rookies who work off a cheat sheet all night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 As I have stated before, I am a selfish fan. #Maction games are fantastic when I am not attending in person. If I am attending, I prefer the game to kick on Saturday night. Weekday night games are not only tailgater unfriendly, but are not attendance friendly in general and I think an empty stadium looks terrible on television. My 2 cents.One thing that would make #Maction games better to view on television is a competent announcing team that is well versed on the conference instead of a couple of d-list rum dum rookies who work off a cheat sheet all night.I understand what you are saying, but I doubt we could ever get the attendance bump on a Saturday evening to make up for a potential 1-2 million a year ESPN deal per school. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I understand what you are saying, but I doubt we could ever get the attendance bump on a Saturday evening to make up for a potential 1-2 million a year ESPN deal per school.1-2 million dollars or 6 Saturday night home games? No brainer. How can you put a price tag on fun? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 The old MAC deal was locked in at a stupidly low payout by the previous MAC commissioner. I'm pretty sure that's why he was replaced, in fact.If the new deal isn't worth at least $15 million annually, the MAC is getting short-changed. The AAC's deal is $20 million, the MWC's deal is worth $18 million, and C-USA's is $14 million per year. The MAC in its current state is between the MWC and C-USA in terms of football quality.Good post Zach.I mention above the next deal will be worse than the current deal. Even if there is more money, I am right.If you are right, and you probably will be proven right, the MAC should be making at the high end. ESPN is desperate for content on Tuesday and Wednesday nights in the fall. The MAC helps them fill that void. Another factor you are not taking into consideration is how much ESPN is making off of the 3 hour Saturday night program advertising our games are making for them. They use our games to promote the Saturday line-up. Basically, the MAC games are an advertisement disguised as a football game.These week night games are nothing more than money grabs at the cost of the long term health of the league. Since ADs and commissioners are more than willing to make the schools they "represent" suffer at the cost of their resume building, this should not be unexpected.Remember guys, the enemy is not ESPN. The enemy is the group of ADs, Presidents and commissions employed by MAC schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 1-2 million dollars or 6 Saturday night home games? No brainer. How can you put a price tag on fun? I agree. There has to be some fun for the fans. Week night games are like having your balls put in a vice for three hours. Eventually, the pain is so bad that you black out before the end of the three hours. Not fun.I'm completely for foregoing the money for these games and passing the costs of the "building process" along to the taxpayers. It's basically what they are doing anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 It looks like each school will only get $650k per year. I now agree with Keener. That amount of money simply isnt worth destroying the game day experience for the players and the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Incredibly disappointing. Not even a decent premium fro locking into the deal for such a long term. Only half what the MAC is worth, and it gives even more distribution rights to ESPN. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Incredibly disappointing. Not even a decent premium fro locking into the deal for such a long term. Only half what the MAC is worth, and it gives even more distribution rights to ESPN.Could you disclose your valuation method please? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 To play the devil's advocate here: Compare these weekday games to what we currently have. We have an average "attendance" around 12,560 across 6 games. Maybe one of those is televised nationally (over the past two years I can only remember 1 game being on National Television. And out of our entire slate of games (12) we'd have 2 nationally/somewhat nationally (regional television) games aired. This deal easily gives us more National Attention than we ever have before (better this year than previous years because we are looking to make some noise...especially come November). Now 2 of those games would be held at our stadium. 650k / 2 games held at home = 325 k per game. Assuming the average ticket price is actually $15 (Most GA tickets at the window on game day are 20-25...my season ticket average is that). You'd have to sell (325k/20) 16,250 more tickets to equal the television payout. Assuming we share in ticket revenues over all games (I honestly have no idea how/if the MAC does this)...(take that 650k/4 games) you'd be around 162.5k per game. 162.5k/20 = 8250 additional tickets. I honestly doubt that the attendance between a weekday evening game differs that much from the TV revenue gained by this deal, to cover the difference.A lot of us here are concerned about the financial sustainability of the MAC. Unfortunately, there it is folks...making deals like this. What the MAC needs to do, is to take care of business whenever it has the national spotlight (entertaining games, giving BIG schools a run for their money...beating BIG schools") and then maybe we can make more demands/get better times. Until then, enjoy the two nationally televised away games that you probably would have had to watch on crappy/shoddy internet streaming. Hopefully this deal means that Akron can purchase better video equipment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 I think the best part of this deal is the MBB coverage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Apparently there is no contact, says University of Akron General Counsel. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Good investigative reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why is the Can't Stater public record requesting UA on the issue of the MAC ESPN contract. Couldn't they just as easily public record request Can't State?In a side note: It is the almighty Akron Beacon Journal that should be breaking this. Not the Can't Stater. What an epic fail ABJ. LAZY reporting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-mann17 Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Apparently there is no contact, says University of Akron General Counsel.Correct, there would be no contract between Akron University and the MAC nor would there be one between Akron University and ESPN.There is no such entity as Akron University. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Correct, there would be no contract between Akron University and the MAC nor would there be one between Akron University and ESPN.There is no such entity as Akron University.I was about to point that out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Why is the Can't Stater public record requesting UA on the issue of the MAC ESPN contract. Couldn't they just as easily public record request Can't State? ...They made the request to Can't on Sept. 10 and to UA on Sept. 12 after not receiving a response from Can't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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