Tree Treadwell Thread

[akronzips71]

Then why is there no arrest?

Because SHE does not want to press charges

or

They don't have enough evidence of criminality.

Low level stuff does not go to a Grand Jury. Arrests get made on the scene or they almost never happen.

[akronzips71]

And on that topic, am I the only person here who does not ASSUME that Tree is guilty of something?

Is Akron still in the United States of America?

Don't we still have Innocent until Proven Guilty, much less arrested?

[mes102]

1 ) I apologize for anything I've said or may say in the future that may be damaging to anyone else.

2 ) There's always fine lines between being invited to hang out and going too far(this is not a speculation, it's just a generic term off for anything in life).

3 ) I'd rather have UA and the athletic department take action than to be immoral about the situation. All I can base my opinions off of is by looking at past history. And past history tells me that Ms. King would be kicked off the team if she did anything wrong. Look at friday night's game for example. A women's basketball player was suspended for that game due to "violation of team rules". In fact, Coach Kest didn't even allow her to be on the bench. It was probably something like a missed class or something. The women's basketball program holds themselves accountable for everything. So that's why I do not agree with you that there is more to this than what you think there is...

[akronzips71]

1 ) I apologize for anything I've said or may say in the future that may be damaging to anyone else.

2 ) There's always fine lines between being invited to hang out and going too far(this is not a speculation, it's just a generic term off for anything in life).

3 ) I'd rather have UA and the athletic department take action than to be immoral about the situation. All I can base my opinions off of is by looking at past history. And past history tells me that Ms. King would be kicked off the team if she did anything wrong. Look at friday night's game for example. A women's basketball player was suspended for that game due to "violation of team rules". In fact, Coach Kest didn't even allow her to be on the bench. It was probably something like a missed class or something. The women's basketball program holds themselves accountable for everything. So that's why I do not agree with you that there is more to this than what you think there is...

It sounds like you are saying there is something sexual involved. That is almost certainly not the case since they released her name. Victims of sexual assaults are never identified.

As to the rest of it, this reminds me of back when Tree was suspended over the incident in the bar. The same thing was going on here, OH WOE IS ME HE IS GOING TO PRISON HIS LIFE IS OVER.

And if you care to look it up, I was the one who was saying: IT WAS A BAR FIGHT, NO ONE IS GOING TO JAIL.

I do not know what happened here. I do know he was not arrested, and it seems that UA MAY have overreacted. And I say this because there was no arrest, so what? He is suspended pending investigation of an allegation of something that the Police, who always arrest for domestic violence where there is an injury, did NOT make an arrest for?

how about, absent an arrest, we keep the status quo until a determination is made, and only then impose penalties? Why is that oo much to ask in the United States of America?

[zippy5]

And on that topic, am I the only person here who does not ASSUME that Tree is guilty of something?

Is Akron still in the United States of America?

Don't we still have Innocent until Proven Guilty, much less arrested?

Have you been living under a rock since the beginning of football season?

[akronzips71]

Have you been living under a rock since the beginning of football season?

I wish I was, that is too painful to think about.

BUT, what does that have to do with any of this?

[zippy5]

Domestic violence has been a sensitive issue lately and every instance hasn't been met with an innocent until proven guilty approach when it comes to sports.

[akronzips71]

Domestic violence has been a sensitive issue lately and every instance hasn't been met with an innocent until proven guilty approach when it comes to sports.

You are absolutely correct.

First of all, you assume this is a DV incident. Just because it involves a man and a woman, does not make it that. Maybe they were arguing over a bad debt. This has not been revealed.

Second, THAT is a double standard. A 6' D1 Female BB star could kick my butt in a minute. I know Tree is quite a bit bigger, but the point is, very often in these situations the woman gives as good as she gets. She is probably no shrinking violet and probably smacked him right back (or first). Which may well be why no arrest was made.

Suspend them both, or suspend neither, at least until the issue is resolved by an impartial person. Wrong to just punish him.

[mes102]

I am not saying that at all. "Going too far" can be a lot of things, just not sexual. I'm not going to name them all, because 1) You should know them, and 2) I don't want to put multiple rumors/theories out there. You seemed to be very focused on that though with all your posts.

[Dave in Green]

Calm down, akronzips71. The police report clearly states "Investigation Pending." Whether or not police file charges after their investigation is completed, a violation of the student conduct code may still have been committed. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But this appears to be a serious charge not to be taken lightly. I expect a thorough investigation by both the police and UA, with both parties and witnesses given opportunities to present their sides. We have so little actual information available to us that none of us can come to any intelligent conclusions. Speculation is counterproductive when it just ends up with two sides each trying to throw the worst possible scenario at the other.

[Balsy]

It takes two to tango.

He gets into a spat with his GF and HE gets suspended.

What about her? After 30 years as a Law Enforcement Officer I can state without hesitation that more often than not they are BOTH responsible, but we ALWAYS blame the man.

First off: I've never laid my hands on someone I was dating in a confrontational manner. Words are always THE only way to deal with things, and if you need to "blow off steam" walk away.

Second off: Be smart. Of course the man is always going to get blamed, don't lay hands on the other person...remove yourself from the situation. Be smart.

Third off: Sina King and Demetrius Dreadwell are/were dating? What?????????

[mes102]

The dating rumor is irrelevant and is false. It's assumptions being made...

[akronzips71]

Calm down, akronzips71. The police report clearly states "Investigation Pending." Whether or not police file charges after their investigation is completed, a violation of the student conduct code may still have been committed. Everyone is innocent until proven guilty. But this appears to be a serious charge not to be taken lightly. I expect a thorough investigation by both the police and UA, with both parties and witnesses given opportunities to present their sides. We have so little actual information available to us that none of us can come to any intelligent conclusions. Speculation is counterproductive when it just ends up with two sides each trying to throw the worst possible scenario at the other.

I guess I am the only here who is going to stand up for Tree at all. He was been punished prior to any determination being made, that is my complaint. "Investigation pending" is a nice way of saying that no arrest is going to be made, in all likelihood. Today is Monday, if she has not filed a complaint of criminal charges serious enough to warrant an arrest at this point, I doubt she is going to. He MAY have violated the code of student conduct, but isn't he entitled to a hearing before he is punished?

[akronzips71]

First off: I've never laid my hands on someone I was dating in a confrontational manner. Words are always THE only way to deal with things, and if you need to "blow off steam" walk away.

Second off: Be smart. Of course the man is always going to get blamed, don't lay hands on the other person...remove yourself from the situation. Be smart.

Third off: Sina King and Demetrius Dreadwell are/were dating? What?????????

Thank you. Everyone else here seems to assume they were dating.

[akronzips71]

The dating rumor is irrelevant and is false. It's assumptions being made...

Thank you, we can agree on something after all.

So once again, I do not know what this is all about, it appears there was some kind of physical confrontation. 4 AM, both drunk, she might very well have taken a shot at him and got one back in return.

That would be called cross complaints, and both get arrested or neither gets arrested.

My point is NEVER discount the ability of a woman to hit a man. It happens all the time. One of those dirty little secrets hidden by the double standard agenda.

[GP1]

You are absolutely correct.

First of all, you assume this is a DV incident. Just because it involves a man and a woman, does not make it that. Maybe they were arguing over a bad debt. This has not been revealed.

Second, THAT is a double standard. A 6' D1 Female BB star could kick my butt in a minute. I know Tree is quite a bit bigger, but the point is, very often in these situations the woman gives as good as she gets. She is probably no shrinking violet and probably smacked him right back (or first). Which may well be why no arrest was made.

Suspend them both, or suspend neither, at least until the issue is resolved by an impartial person. Wrong to just punish him.

Please stop. Your first point would be true if the police didn't have photos of injury.

At my age, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't have trouble with a six foot tall woman. Tree would kick my ass up and down the street. He is a large well trained guy and this girl couldn't hold her own against him.

She has done nothing to be suspended.

Steve Spurrier has a zero tolerance policy for violence against women and has used it twice while at SC. Has not used it in several years because players know he means business. Time for Tree to be shown the door.

[mes102]

My point though is that if she did do something wrong, she WILL be suspended by the team. There's no doubt about that. Even if she didn't do anything wrong, the fact that if she put herself in a situation for this to happen, she would not have played Saturday afternoon. Coach Kest would have said it was because of "violation of team rules" just like the student-athlete the previous night. It was the night between game days, and Coach Kest wouldn't let that slide. If she plays tomorrow morning, that tells you all you need to know about your assumptions. From past history, Coach Kest doesn't tolerate that and there would be no way she plays if she had any role in the way you described. It might be better for you to stop throwing multiple theories out there.

[LZIp]

You seriously need to stop zips 71. You're embarassing all of Zipsnation.

[akronzips71]

You all need to stop throwing him under the bus without even knowing anything at all about what happened.

[Balsy]

My point is NEVER discount the ability of a woman to hit a man. It happens all the time. One of those dirty little secrets hidden by the double standard agenda.

Please reference my point above. Domestic violence does go both ways, people do not have the right to lay hands on each other in a confrontational manner. The best solution when someone is being physically confrontational with you, is to get yourself out of the situation. Do not engage in the confrontation. Period. An argument, or confrontation, or whatever should never escalate to violence. If your partner strikes you (male or female) you shouldn't be concerned about engaging back, you should be more concerned with terminating the relationship instead. Violence of any kind is absolutely unacceptable.

You are making far too many wild assumptions, please (for your own sake) reflect upon what other members have said here and reconsider your position on this issue.

[zippy5]

You all need to stop throwing him under the bus without even knowing anything at all about what happened.

No one's actually done that

[akronzips71]

No one's actually done that

EVERYONE is doing that, especially the poster who said it is time to show him the door.

[akronzips71]

Please reference my point above. Domestic violence does go both ways, people do not have the right to lay hands on each other in a confrontational manner. The best solution when someone is being physically confrontational with you, is to get yourself out of the situation. Do not engage in the confrontation. Period. An argument, or confrontation, or whatever should never escalate to violence. If your partner strikes you (male or female) you shouldn't be concerned about engaging back, you should be more concerned with terminating the relationship instead. Violence of any kind is absolutely unacceptable.

You are making far too many wild assumptions, please (for your own sake) reflect upon what other members have said here and reconsider your position on this issue.

Yes, it goes both ways. No one should put their hands on someone else.

No one has been arrested, does that tell you anything?

And it seems that it may NOT have been a case of DV

So who is making all the assumptions.

Stop throwing him under the bus without knowing the facts.

When the facts come out, I may be the first to say he is wrong get rid of him.

But we are NOT there yet.

[K92]

. . .AND THE VIDEO FEED SUCKS!

Hopefully, that made you smile at least a little, 71. Calm down or you're going to have a coronary, dude.

[Dave in Green]

Look, if Tree is found guilty of the worst, we will be unanimous in wanting to show him the door. If after a thorough investigation things turn out to be not as bad as initial reports make it look, there may be some disagreement on the best way to deal with it. But the best way to deal with it right now is for everyone to avoid rushing to conclusions based on imagined assumptions in the absence of all the facts. Let's all support Tree's right to a fair hearing and hope for the best for all parties involved.