Dave in Green Posted December 3, 2014 Report Share Posted December 3, 2014 Skip, I was referencing the fact that it's public information that Tree has been charged with a violation of the student code of conduct. The level of severity of the violation is not public knowledge. We know from past experience with violations of the student code of conduct that punishment can range from missing a few games to missing a whole season. If Tree were to be reinstated on the team in the near future, it would indicate that the violation was not as severe as some have speculated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I have it on good information that, should Tree continue to meet certain conditions, he could and probably will rejoin the team at some point this season. Don't move on yet. He'd be a huge addition, and a fresh body, for a late season push.I think someone gave you bad information. Move on folks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 If they don't make a decision fairly soon it really won't matter what they decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 4, 2014 Report Share Posted December 4, 2014 I think someone gave you bad information. Move on folks. If you know something you can't tell, then I understand your reluctance to provide supporting evidence. If you're just speculating, welcome to the club. In either case, telling other Zips fans to just forget it and "move on" accomplishes nothing other than to antagonize other Zips fans who care about both Tree and the Zips team. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think someone gave you bad information. Move on folks. I think you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm a former UA athlete and still know a lot of people within the athletic department. I think some of the older posters will testify to the fact that I've given good information in the past. I'm hearing what I say from people directly within the athletic department. Not necessarily the decision makers, but people who know what's going on. If you have a better source, then either say so or shut up. Don't come on here with that ambiguous crap. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm a former UA athlete and still know a lot of people within the athletic department. I think some of the older posters will testify to the fact that I've given good information in the past. I'm hearing what I say from people directly within the athletic department. Not necessarily the decision makers, but people who know what's going on. If you have a better source, then either say so or shut up. Don't come on here with that ambiguous crap.I guess I'll shut up, per your request, because I'm not here to engage in a source war. The end result of all of this will clear that up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I think you have no clue what you're talking about. I'm a former UA athlete and still know a lot of people within the athletic department. I think some of the older posters will testify to the fact that I've given good information in the past. I'm hearing what I say from people directly within the athletic department. Not necessarily the decision makers, but people who know what's going on. If you have a better source, then either say so or shut up. Don't come on here with that ambiguous crap.I don't mean to direct this at you, but I really get a kick out of the number of people who come on here thinking that their link to inside information at the U of A is certainly better than someone else's. Or, that someone else can't possibly be right. For the most part, I think all of us on here fall into one or more of the following categories: Athletes, former athletes, friends of athletes, friends of staff,regular special event attendees, boosters, doing businesses with the athletic dept, sponsors, or maybe even people who actually work there. Who knows. Most people here wouldn't know anything about my connections there unless I occasionally divulge them, and I fall into most of these categories. Heck, most of us don't even know each other outside of this forum in order to be able to question someone's level of association. So, how can someone angrily insist that someone else doesn't have good information? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can confirm that multiple sources are predicting that there's either a fair chance or little chance that Tree will return to the team. I will decide which ones to believe at the end of the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I guess I'll shut up, per your requestGood. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can confirm that multiple sources are predicting that there's either a fair chance or little chance that Tree will return to the team. I will decide which ones to believe at the end of the season. LOL...that's usually the way it works, Dave. There's been plenty of times in the past where I was even sure that I knew what was going on, and was surprised at what actually happened in the end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lance99 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I don't mean to direct this at you, but I really get a kick out of the number of people who come on here thinking that their link to inside information at the U of A is certainly better than someone else's. Or, that someone else can't possibly be right. For the most part, I think all of us on here fall into one or more of the following categories: Athletes, former athletes, friends of athletes, friends of staff,regular special event attendees, boosters, doing businesses with the athletic dept, sponsors, or maybe even people who actually work there. Who knows. Most people here wouldn't know anything about my connections there unless I occasionally divulge them, and I fall into most of these categories. Heck, most of us don't even know each other outside of this forum in order to be able to question someone's level of association. So, how can someone angrily insist that someone else doesn't have good information?I fall into none of these. I am a strait-up fan of the school of the city I grew up in.(seems be rare on this site) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Good.Lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZip0510 Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 I can confirm that multiple sources are predicting that there's either a fair chance or little chance that Tree will return to the team. I will decide which ones to believe at the end of the season. Check your PM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 5, 2014 Report Share Posted December 5, 2014 Thanks for the PM. I understand your concern about fans building their hopes up and then having them dashed. Just going by the publicly available information and ignoring all input from private sources, I'm inclined to believe that the odds are against Tree returning. I think it's the kind of situation where it's best to prepare for the worst and hope for the best. At some point official word will come down on a final disposition and everyone will be able to get out of the holding pattern and move on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sportsjunkie330 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 Good.you should also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Zip Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I know nothing as to what actually happened and have no sources regarding if he will be back. If he was not arrested and is not charged with anything it is pretty disappointing that the University has decided to hang him out to dry. Seems to me JT Barret at OSU was in an altercation with his ex-girlfriend, nobody was arrested and OSU has elected to not do anything at this point. Hell at FSU there were investigations and Winston was actually arrested for stealing crab legs and he got next to nothing. If we are going to become this moral authority University who chooses to be judge jury and executioner where the actual Law doesn't step it is going to make recruiting pretty tough. We've all had a good laugh at Can't State in the past but I think they might be closer to a solid answer than Akron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I don't think it will have any effect on recruiting whatsoever.1. Shop lifting and domestic violence should never be put in an equivocation.2. Two instances of domestic violence are not inherently equivocal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I have no inside information on this situation, but in my opinion, the university needs to deal with this situation the same as they would for any Akron student. No special or harsher treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I think we might be about to get our example of how Akron handles these situations, compared to other "bigger" schools.I'm sure everyone now knows about the OSWho QBs domestic issue with his pregnant girlfriend. Besides the fact that she provided details that he "choked her and threw her across the room" (I don't recall any details coming out of the Tree situation), the two situations seem to mirror each other. The police were called, the police responded, there is a report, and neither party chose to press charges at the time of the incident. Akron chose to put the player immediately on indefinite suspension, and referred the matter for student conduct review. I have yet to hear that any action has been taken in the several days that have followed the OSWho case. It'll be interesting to see what happens vs. the action that Akron has taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 12, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 OSU has the (fortunate?) situation of Barrett being injured, so it doesn't really matter until next August what they decide. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 OSU has the (fortunate?) situation of Barrett being injured, so it doesn't really matter until next August what they decide.Yes, that would be another interesting, and different, variable.But, if a program was going to discipline a player, and possibly put them on "indefinite suspension" because of a situation like this, would it matter if they are injured or not? Would our handling of the Tree situation been any different if he was injured? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I have no inside information on this situation, but in my opinion, the university needs to deal with this situation the same as they would for any Akron student. No special or harsher treatment.I agree with one exception. As part of their athletic scholarship, student athletes may sign agreements requiring that they adhere to a higher standard of personal conduct than other students at the same school. If this is the case at UA, then scholarship athletes may face different treatment than non-athlete students by virtue of what they signed up for. Maybe an ex-UA scholarship athlete reading this would like to comment on what differences there might be. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted December 12, 2014 Report Share Posted December 12, 2014 I agree with one exception. As part of their athletic scholarship, student athletes may sign agreements requiring that they adhere to a higher standard of personal conduct than other students at the same school. If this is the case at UA, then scholarship athletes may face different treatment than non-athlete students by virtue of what they signed up for. Maybe an ex-UA scholarship athlete reading this would like to comment on what differences there might be.This is true and I think we already stated in another thread that Akron is kind of like the BYU of the east. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm on my phone & can't post the link, but per Marla Ridenour on Ohio.com, Tree is no longer enrolled at UA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted December 13, 2014 Report Share Posted December 13, 2014 I'm on my phone & can't post the link, but per Marla Ridenour on Ohio.com, Tree is no longer enrolled at UA.http://www.ohio.com/sports/zips/marla-ridenour-zips-basketball-coach-keith-dambrot-feels-refreshed-to-move-past-team-s-off-court-issues-1.549213 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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