LZIp Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 It's all semantics. TO will be in the HoF eventually. Does it really matter that it wasn't this year? And this is coming from a guy who was a huge fan of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 Personally, outside of recognizing T.O. as the tremendous player he was, I'm indifferent to him as a player. I never cared for 49ers, Eagles, or Cowboys and still don't. I just feel it's an example of how the current system is flawed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 3 hours ago, LZIp said: Urban and OSU were promoting Nate Ebner last night. A player that Meyer did not coach and a career special teamer at that. Frankly, not trying to use anything and everything you can as leverage is negligence in my book. Its odd to me that those most critical of Bowden on here are downplaying using something to try to gain an advantage. I have no problem with Zips tweeting out about Jason Taylor or having an alumni fundraiser in honor of him around HoF weekend. In fact, we SHOULD do those things. I just think it's ridiculous that people believe some 18 year old kid would sign to play with Akron today because a guy played for Akron 20 years ago. It would be different if we had a history of producing those guys, but the only promising NFL player we've produced since is Brown and it's too early to know how his career will turn out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 42 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I have no problem with Zips tweeting out about Jason Taylor or having an alumni fundraiser in honor of him around HoF weekend. In fact, we SHOULD do those things. I just think it's ridiculous that people believe some 18 year old kid would sign to play with Akron today because a guy played for Akron 20 years ago. It would be different if we had a history of producing those guys, but the only promising NFL player we've produced since is Brown and it's too early to know how his career will turn out. It's not about Jason, per se, as much as it is a part of an entire effort projecting an image of success and legacy. Also, if you read the interview with Dre Williams, he said he didn't know who Bobby Bowden was and when his dad explained, he said he realized it was a big deal to get an offer from TB. Kids from Florida, if they didn't know who Taylor was, will hear about him now with the added press he will get for his HoF nod. It isn't going to create a magnet, but it sure can't hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, kreed5120 said: I have no problem with Zips tweeting out about Jason Taylor or having an alumni fundraiser in honor of him around HoF weekend. In fact, we SHOULD do those things. I just think it's ridiculous that people believe some 18 year old kid would sign to play with Akron today because a guy played for Akron 20 years ago. It would be different if we had a history of producing those guys, but the only promising NFL player we've produced since is Brown and it's too early to know how his career will turn out. So, let's forget the 3 Zips who have SuperBowl rings, huh? NFL careers aren't necessarily long. I'd say Dwight Smith, Domenik Hixon, and Chase Blackburn were good NFL players and made good use of their time in the league...HoF caliber or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 1 hour ago, kreed5120 said: I have no problem with Zips tweeting out about Jason Taylor or having an alumni fundraiser in honor of him around HoF weekend. In fact, we SHOULD do those things. I just think it's ridiculous that people believe some 18 year old kid would sign to play with Akron today because a guy played for Akron 20 years ago. It would be different if we had a history of producing those guys, but the only promising NFL player we've produced since is Brown and it's too early to know how his career will turn out. Nobody said him being affiliated with the program would be the sole reason a kid in S.Fla decides to sign with the Zips. But you're arguing to argue if you think it has no affect whatsoever. JT retired at the end of the 2011 season. I bet many of those kids down there grew up wearing his jersey. If a S.Fla kid is being recruited by northern school A who he has never heard of and northern school B who he has never heard of, then some familiar link to relate to can be the difference maker. I am from Ohio and didn't really know jack about Akron until I considered going there. Shit...we have documented proof with our basketball program that a player who has never even played for the Zips has an affect on recruiting! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 6, 2017 Report Share Posted February 6, 2017 15 minutes ago, Zip_ME87 said: So, let's forget the 3 Zips who have SuperBowl rings, huh? NFL careers aren't necessarily long. I'd say Dwight Smith, Domenik Hixon, and Chase Blackburn were good NFL players and made good use of their time in the league...HoF caliber or not. I concede it was unfair for me to call Smith a bust. He had a productive NFL career. Blackburn did ok for himself for being undrafted, but he was a career back up. Nothing to write home about. Hixon was the #4-#5 receiver on a SB team. Hixon had 1,492 yards and 7 TDs in his 6 NFL seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I think the issue here is not so much about how the University can use Jason Taylor's stature to help the football program as it is about how great it would be if Jason Taylor wanted to rep the Zips. So far, he hasn't shown much desire to do that. What we can do is show up in droves at the induction ceremony like Zips Superfans to show how much we love and remember him. Maybe he will rekindle some Akron love in his heart if there are some embers left. Zippy says: "Ask not what your university can do for you, ask what you can do for your university." 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 12 minutes ago, LZIp said: Nobody said him being affiliated with the program would be the sole reason a kid in S.Fla decides to sign with the Zips. But you're arguing to argue if you think it has no affect whatsoever. JT retired at the end of the 2011 season. I bet many of those kids down there grew up wearing his jersey. If a S.Fla kid is being recruited by northern school A who he has never heard of and northern school B who he has never heard of, then some familiar link to relate to can be the difference maker. I am from Ohio and didn't really know jack about Akron until I considered going there. Shit...we have documented proof with our basketball program that a player who has never even played for the Zips has an affect on recruiting! There is no evidence to show that it has helped us over the past 5-10 years, but now that he is going into the HoF suddenly the Dade County kids will be wanting to go to Akron. Good to know. I hope you are right. You do realize LBJ goes to Akron games and occasionally drops by to practices and such. When you commit to Akron, you know you'll see Lebron a few times per year. I'd buy into JT being a boost to our recruiting if he actually would stop by for a game or 2 or would attend a spring practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, K92 said: I think the issue here is not so much about how the University can use Jason Taylor's stature to help the football program as it is about how great it would be if Jason Taylor wanted to rep the Zips. So far, he hasn't shown much desire to do that. What we can do is show up in droves at the induction ceremony like Zips Superfans to show how much we love and remember him. Maybe he will rekindle some Akron love in his heart if there are some embers left. Zippy says: "Ask not what your university can do for you, ask what you can do for your university." +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scottditzen Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 14 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I concede it was unfair for me to call Smith a bust. He had a productive NFL career. Blackburn did ok for himself for being undrafted, but he was a career back up. Nothing to write home about. Hixon was the #4-#5 receiver on a SB team. Hixon had 1,492 yards and 7 TDs in his 6 NFL seasons. I grew up in NY Giants territory. I'll tell you first hand that Giants fans absolutely loved Hixon and Blackburn. Chase was elected captain by his teammates. Both guys were renown for their total effort and their commitment to the game. Both guys made stellar plays that absolutely played a big part in winning a championship. These Giant fans know by heart that Chase Blackburn and Domenik Hixon WERE AKRON ZIPS. It frankly pisses me off to read a post on an Akron forum that seems to, from my perspective, belittle their pro careers. Sometimes this forum makes me think we have the worst "fanbase" in sports. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 11 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: There is no evidence to show that it has helped us over the past 5-10 years, but now that he is going into the HoF suddenly the Dade County kids will be wanting to go to Akron. Good to know. I hope you are right. There is also no evidence of him ever being used as a recruiting tool, which is what I initially brought up. It can't ever work if it is never used. Enjoy continuing to be a pessimist though. Go Zips. Edited February 7, 2017 by LZIp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 2 minutes ago, LZIp said: There is also no evidence of him ever being used as a recruiting tool, which is what I initially brought it up. It can't ever work if it is never used. Let's not pretend we know what our coaches are and aren't saying to recruits Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, zippy5 said: Let's not pretend we know what our coaches are and aren't saying to recruits Sure! Lets not pretend to know what recruits think then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 3 minutes ago, scottditzen said: I grew up in NY Giants territory. I'll tell you first hand that Giants fans absolutely loved Hixon and Blackburn. Chase was elected captain by his teammates. Both guys were renown for their total effort and their commitment to the game. Both guys made stellar plays that absolutely played a big part in winning a championship. These Giant fans know by heart that Chase Blackburn and Domenik Hixon WERE AKRON ZIPS. It frankly pisses me off to read a post on an Akron forum that seems to, from my perspective, belittle their pro careers. Sometimes this forum makes me think we have the worst "fanbase" in sports. Thanks Scott. I love reading how much NYG fans loved our guys. The last SuperBowl I enjoyed was when the NYG with Hixon & Blackburn won it. Unfortunately, I agree with your other comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 6 minutes ago, scottditzen said: I grew up in NY Giants territory. I'll tell you first hand that Giants fans absolutely loved Hixon and Blackburn. Chase was elected captain by his teammates. Both guys were renown for their total effort and their commitment to the game. Both guys made stellar plays that absolutely played a big part in winning a championship. These Giant fans know by heart that Chase Blackburn and Domenik Hixon WERE AKRON ZIPS. It frankly pisses me off to read a post on an Akron forum that seems to, from my perspective, belittle their pro careers. Sometimes this forum makes me think we have the worst "fanbase" in sports. I think Chase and Domenik had quite a bit of Zip pride, or at least I got that feeling as a bystander. As a person from Giants country, can you confirm that? I don't think Zips fans are trying to demean these two, but I doubt if they have a lot of cachet with a 17 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, scottditzen said: I grew up in NY Giants territory. I'll tell you first hand that Giants fans absolutely loved Hixon and Blackburn. Chase was elected captain by his teammates. Both guys were renown for their total effort and their commitment to the game. Both guys made stellar plays that absolutely played a big part in winning a championship. These Giant fans know by heart that Chase Blackburn and Domenik Hixon WERE AKRON ZIPS. It frankly pisses me off to read a post on an Akron forum that seems to, from my perspective, belittle their pro careers. Sometimes this forum makes me think we have the worst "fanbase" in sports. The fact they went onto NFL careers at all is extraordinary. Only the top 1% make it and on average an NFL career lasts 3.3 years. I also appreciate they show their pride in being Zips. Stil doesn't change the fact the average 18 year old kid has never heard of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 (edited) 56 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I concede it was unfair for me to call Smith a bust. He had a productive NFL career. Blackburn did ok for himself for being undrafted, but he was a career back up. Nothing to write home about. Hixon was the #4-#5 receiver on a SB team. Hixon had 1,492 yards and 7 TDs in his 6 NFL seasons. Chase started for the world champion giants and had 2 picks in the super bowl. He was a decent NFL linebacker. Just ask giants fans what they think of him. They about had a meltdown when they released him. Hixon was damn good... he just could never stay healthy. Edited February 7, 2017 by Zipgrad01 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 21 minutes ago, LZIp said: There is also no evidence of him ever being used as a recruiting tool, which is what I initially brought up. It can't ever work if it is never used. Enjoy continuing to be a pessimist though. Go Zips. Pessimist? I'm a realist. People were jumping ship on Akron basketball after the YSU basketball game and I was the one telling people to not be hasty over 1 game. Same can be seen in the Ga So and other various early season basketball threads. Just because I'm not pleased with the current state of the football program doesn't mean I'm a pessimist. I'm just not going to sugarcoat things as I see it. We have differences of opinions. Not everyone is going to share the same opinions. I want the team to succeed as much as you do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsfan33 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 Let's not forget that JT33 also played basketball during his freshman season to help out a very, very bad team. How many guys could do that today? Very proud to be a Zip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 5 hours ago, kreed5120 said: I have no problem with Zips tweeting out about Jason Taylor or having an alumni fundraiser in honor of him around HoF weekend. In fact, we SHOULD do those things. I just think it's ridiculous that people believe some 18 year old kid would sign to play with Akron today because a guy played for Akron 20 years ago. The fact that a 12 year old kid who idolized Jason in S. Florida is now 17 years old and being recruited by the same school that produced Jason is what's important. It's irrelevant that they are not old enough to remember him playing here. When I was a kid playing basketball, I idolized Pete Maravich's NBA career. I never saw him play at LSU, and really never paid much attention to where he went to college. But if LSU would have recruited me, I would have been ecstatic that the same school that catapulted his career wanted me to play for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 I hope nobody from Ravenna is reading this thread because they're going to crush it in 2018 once they figure out how to utilize Nick Saban in their recruiting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 18 minutes ago, K92 said: I hope nobody from Ravenna is reading this thread because they're going to crush it in 2018 once they figure out how to utilize Nick Saban in their recruiting. Not to mention Josh Cribbs, Edelman, James Harrison, and Antonio Gates just to name a few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 1 minute ago, kreed5120 said: Not to mention Josh Cribbs, Edelman, James Harrison, and Antonio Gates just to name a few. Why you gotta diss Gary Pinkel, Jack Lambert and Lou Holtz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted February 7, 2017 Report Share Posted February 7, 2017 38 minutes ago, K92 said: I hope nobody from Ravenna is reading this thread because they're going to crush it in 2018 once they figure out how to utilize Nick Saban in their recruiting. Miami has been doing it forever. They talk about people who were there darn near a Century ago. Too bad their potential recruits wouldn't have been old enough to see those people while they were actually there. I actually took a look back at Miami's history for a minute as a refresher, and I accidentally found one of the most interesting football team names ever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toronto_Balmy_Beach_Beachers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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