zipsoutsider Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 They didn't seem what I saw at the spring game: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/college/college-gridiron-365/os-college-football-countdown-100-akron-0518-20160517-story.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 They see Akron as an 8-5 team that lost a lot of starters to graduation and by pundits opinion hasn't had great recruiting classes. I can see how an outsider might have them this low, but I feel the Zips will finish better than 8th in the MAC, which is where they have us ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 I will set the over/under at 15 minutes. How will you wager on the time Mr. Murschel spent analyzing the 2016 Zips? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 41 minutes ago, K92 said: I will set the over/under at 15 minutes. How will you wager on the time Mr. Murschel spent analyzing the 2016 Zips? You make a lousy bookie setting the number that high! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted May 18, 2016 Report Share Posted May 18, 2016 1 hour ago, ZippyRulz said: You make a lousy bookie setting the number that high! Better not quit my day job then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted May 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Yeah, I often wonder if these type of rankings do anything more than reading a few headlines and looking at stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted May 19, 2016 Report Share Posted May 19, 2016 Zips Football posted the article on their Facebook page. Unless they're using it for bulletin board material I wish they hadn't. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyRulz Posted May 28, 2016 Report Share Posted May 28, 2016 (edited) Athlon Sports has us at #98, I think I know now what the Sentinel based their research on. Lindy's: #82 just above Toledo & BG. Edited June 2, 2016 by ZippyRulz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsfan33 Posted May 30, 2016 Report Share Posted May 30, 2016 Well, this stinks! MSN doesn't have us in a bowl game. Bah Humbug to them! http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/bowl-predictions-2016-80-teams-41-games-1-national-title-showdown/ar-BBtCy8V?ocid=spartandhp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 15, 2016 Report Share Posted June 15, 2016 I was just checking out Athlon's MAC preview and saw that according to 247 Sports (I know, they don't know anything, but let's not turn this thread into another rating services debate) the top incoming freshmen are as follows: 1. Matthew Falcon, RB, Western Michigan 2. Tony Poljan, QB, Central Michigan 3. Stefan Claiborne, S, Western Michigan 4. Spencer Kanz, OL, Western Michigan 5. Armani Posey, DB, Bowling Green 6. Matt Little, QB, Western Michigan 7. Tristian Pipp, LB, Western Michigan 8. Eric Rogers, LB, Western Michigan 9. Keevon Harris, ATH, Ohio 10. Dontre Boyd, CB, Western Michigan Western with 7 of the top 10 rated freshmen? Pretty impressive for a school that blows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA1987 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 21 hours ago, K92 said: I was just checking out Athlon's MAC preview and saw that according to 247 Sports (I know, they don't know anything, but let's not turn this thread into another rating services debate) the top incoming freshmen are as follows: 1. Matthew Falcon, RB, Western Michigan 2. Tony Poljan, QB, Central Michigan 3. Stefan Claiborne, S, Western Michigan 4. Spencer Kanz, OL, Western Michigan 5. Armani Posey, DB, Bowling Green 6. Matt Little, QB, Western Michigan 7. Tristian Pipp, LB, Western Michigan 8. Eric Rogers, LB, Western Michigan 9. Keevon Harris, ATH, Ohio 10. Dontre Boyd, CB, Western Michigan Western with 7 of the top 10 rated freshmen? Pretty impressive for a school that blows. I don't know how Fleck is getting such top recruiting classes at Western. Hard work probably and he has a great Bio, but man his classes are too much. If the NCAA cares about non P5 schools, I would think someone may be interviewing Coach Fleck and some of his players to make sure this program is clean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 6 minutes ago, UA1987 said: I don't know how Fleck is getting such top recruiting classes at Western. Hard work probably and he has a great Bio, but man his classes are too much. If the NCAA cares about non P5 schools, I would think someone may be interviewing Coach Fleck and some of his players to make sure this program is clean. Matthew Falcon, their top rated recruit, is a 3* recruit who is ranked as the 442nd best player and 21st RB. It is a nice haul for a MAC team, but if WMU was trying to buy players, they could do much better than this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 17 minutes ago, UA1987 said: I don't know how Fleck is getting such top recruiting classes at Western. Everyone pooh poohed it at the time, but PJ's New Traditions have obviously resonated with recruits. http://deadspin.com/western-michigan-coach-demonstrates-new-traditions-in-1250884633 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Fleck's done a good job. But he's only winning the vaunted "Recruiting Stars" Championships. Sorta like winning the RPI Championship if you're an OU fan. Back-to-back 8-5 seasons. Won their first bowl game last season. Fleck is younger and hipper than Bowden, but the results are the same thus far. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wadszip Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Recruiting rankings matter if you are Ohio State, Alabama, LSU, FSU, or one of the handful of schools who are constantly in the top 10 in both recruiting rankings and the actual rankings. But once you get outside of that elite group (which usually gobbles up 90 or more percent of the true blue chippers), recruiting rankings are insignificant. There are really only about 50-100 truly elite players in any given recruiting class. Once you get outside of that, there isn't that great a difference between say recruit No. 101 and No. 1,000. It's all about development and coaching. Remember when J.D. Brookhart pulled in back-to-back No. 1 classes in the MAC? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 You guys are undermining Fleck. He has done a great job. That program was near RI Akron level when he took over. Bowden has done a great job as well. WMU might have the top WR taken in next year's draft. Fleck had a true freshman win not only MAC freshman of the year, but also MAC Offensive player of the year and freshman All-American. Trying to knock his recruiting efforts (or coaching) doesn't make sense to me, because he has clearly done great. His record isn't the best because he plays in the MAC West. None of you can say with a straight face that Akron would have won 7 games (or even 6) last year if it weren't for our cupcake East counterparts. I fully expect them to win the West this season, if not the whole conference and he will probably be gone, which can be seen as a good thing or bad thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 To say 2013 WMU was "near RI's level" is not true. There's 1-11, and there's RI, back-to-back 1-11. WMU beat RI's Zips 66-6 (at least that was the score in the 3rd quarter...I forget the final). They played in a bowl game in 2011. That tells me they were several talent notches above the RI Zips. Their 2015 wins included EMU, Murray State, Miami OH and Ball State, so half of their wins were against cupcakes. I think the argument that Fleck and Bowden are on relatively the same level is seen in their 2015 bowl results. Both won their first MAC bowl last year. We'll see who's best on October 15th. The scoreboard don't lie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 Fleck has lots of contacts with the people who give out the star ratings. Bowden has publicly expressed disdain for those same people. So whose recruits will end up higher rated in an arbitrary and subjective system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted June 16, 2016 Report Share Posted June 16, 2016 4 hours ago, wadszip said: There are really only about 50-100 truly elite players in any given recruiting class. Once you get outside of that, there isn't that great a difference between say recruit No. 101 and No. 1,000. If this were true, we could just draw names out of a hat when doing our recruiting work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted June 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted June 17, 2016 15 hours ago, skip-zip said: If this were true, we could just draw names out of a hat when doing our recruiting work. I ser your point, but, personality and coach ability are almost as big of a part of recruiting as talent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 On 6/16/2016 at 5:15 PM, ZachTheZip said: Fleck has lots of contacts with the people who give out the star ratings. Bowden has publicly expressed disdain for those same people. So whose recruits will end up higher rated in an arbitrary and subjective system? Whose recruits will achieve more on the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, K92 said: Whose recruits will achieve more on the field? I know!!! I know!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted November 26, 2016 Report Share Posted November 26, 2016 On June 16, 2016 at 10:47 AM, Captain Kangaroo said: Fleck's done a good job. But he's only winning the vaunted "Recruiting Stars" Championships. Sorta like winning the RPI Championship if you're an OU fan. Back-to-back 8-5 seasons. Won their first bowl game last season. Fleck is younger and hipper than Bowden, but the results are the same thus far. Now this is just hilarious!!!!! ????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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