2Ball Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 movie premiers sunday. Hopefully Zipgrad01 and The Bowden Backers will give us there review after they see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipgrad01 Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 His dad was a good coach. There is my review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted January 8, 2017 Report Share Posted January 8, 2017 For more movie info, here is the link to the movie's website Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 16 hours ago, Sergeant Zip said: For more movie info, here is the link to the movie's website It's always interesting how they reuse hype music in trailers, definitely heard that "epic" song in this trailer first. One about a mass extinction event...one about Bobby Bowden...certain interesting to someone who's seen it in both trailers about two completely different things. Certainly looks like it's worth a watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I am looking forward to this coming out on video, based on this review. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) On 1/8/2017 at 9:38 AM, Zipgrad01 said: His dad was a good coach. There is my review. You forgot the part where his kids road his coattail to achieve mild success themselves. Edited January 9, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, kreed5120 said: You forgot the part where his kids road his coattail to achieve mild success themselves. That is just an ignorant statement. Be better, Zipsnation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) 19 minutes ago, LZIp said: That is just an ignorant statement. Be better, Zipsnation. Are you trying to tell me they haven't used their dads legacy to bolster their career? In fact I've heard Terry say he uses the Bowden name to gain a footing in Florida recruiting. I wonder why the Bowden name is so big in that state? Can you please answer that for me? Edited January 9, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 1.) The haven't "used" their dad's legacy at all. The "Bowden" last name might get your foot in a door. Big deal...that's life...it's no different in politics, or corporate America or anywhere else. Terry's wins (160+) and losses are on his own merit. A Program like Akron would have been absolutely stupid to turn him down when he expressed interest in the position. 2.) You've heard Terry say he uses the "Bowden" name to gain a footing in Florida recruiting, huh? Would you rather he changed his name to Norris Neidermire, just to be fair to the other coaches recruiting Florida? 3.) You wonder why the Bowden name is so big in Florida? I'll leave that to stand alone. Bowden isn't riding any coat tails. He owns his wins and losses. If he has a banner 2017, or it goes down the toilet, it will have noting to do with his 88 year old dad. The credit or blame goes to him, just like any other coach. kreed - you, and two others on this board can out-type anyone. You guys love it, and can debate endlessly. I can't, and won't. I'm done. Go Zips. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 We can agree to disagree Captain. Tommy and Terry have been head coach for a combined 23 seasons (FBS) and have 1 conference championship to show for it. There is certainly no arguing the fact without Bobby's success at FSU the Bowden family wouldn't be treated like college football royalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 1 hour ago, Captain Kangaroo said: +1. To everything you said. 1 hour ago, kreed5120 said: We can agree to disagree Captain. Tommy and Terry have been head coach for a combined 23 seasons (FBS) and have 1 conference championship to show for it. There is certainly no arguing the fact without Bobby's success at FSU the Bowden family wouldn't be treated like college football royalty. I'd like to point out that riding coattails is something that has people who are completely unrelated, directly benefitting from the success of someone in the same party. So riding the coattails hardly applies. People can be damn good at what they do because they learned from the best. It's one thing to have worked with a great coach. It's another entirely to have lived with one. You don't think that they didn't have family father-son times where they watched/analyzed football? That doesn't mean all children become identical carbon copies of their parents, but it also doesn't mean they ride their coattails either. I bet there's plenty of us here who have many skills we got learning from our parents, being good at whatever it is they do. You don't become the SEC coach of the year because your dad was head coach of FSU. You earn that in your own right. Really, objectively, everywhere Terry has gone he has been successful. The only "blemish" is Akron. So either it's because he's overrated and not that good, or because Akron was in that deep of a whole and devoid any future, that it's hard for even a successful coach to dig back out. But seriously are Akron fans really this delusional? Take your pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) +1 to both Balsey's and the Captain's posts. 51 minutes ago, Balsy said: So either it's because he's overrated and not that good, or because Akron was in that deep of a whole and devoid any future, that it's hard for even a successful coach to dig back out. But seriously are Akron fans really this delusional? Take your pick. This is something I have thought about recently. We are still overcoming the notion of the barrel perception and it takes a little time to dig out from under that. I saw a comment, recently, about a P5 school not wanting to be the type of school that, "plays schools like Akron." I have said before, barring the onslaught of injuries that sinks us this year, we would have had another "good" season and gone to another bowl. We almost made it, with a pretty rough season. Given the loss of our front 7 on December, a good season would have been acceptable to most of us, given where we are on curve of developing as a program. It takes a couple, or even a few "good" seasons to get the depth needed to overcome the injuries we had this year. A great team has great talent, depth, and a fair amount of luck. Yes, strength and conditioning can help prevent the injuries, to an extent, but only to an extent. We had pretty bad luck with injuries. It created a QB crisis and took our defense from bad to worse for a few games. If we stink it up next year, I think there will be a lot less patience and understanding, but with the return of most of our offense, and the development of more options at QB, the development of our defense, a Pitt transfer at LB on the roster who will be eligible to play, the recruiting class, plus whatever transfers we inherit, I am optimistic that we will return to the upward trajectory. Edited January 9, 2017 by zipsoutsider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, Balsy said: +1. To everything you said. I'd like to point out that riding coattails is something that has people who are completely unrelated, directly benefitting from the success of someone in the same party. So riding the coattails hardly applies. People can be damn good at what they do because they learned from the best. It's one thing to have worked with a great coach. It's another entirely to have lived with one. You don't think that they didn't have family father-son times where they watched/analyzed football? That doesn't mean all children become identical carbon copies of their parents, but it also doesn't mean they ride their coattails either. I bet there's plenty of us here who have many skills we got learning from our parents, being good at whatever it is they do. You don't become the SEC coach of the year because your dad was head coach of FSU. You earn that in your own right. Really, objectively, everywhere Terry has gone he has been successful. The only "blemish" is Akron. So either it's because he's overrated and not that good, or because Akron was in that deep of a whole and devoid any future, that it's hard for even a successful coach to dig back out. But seriously are Akron fans really this delusional? Take your pick. If you want to give Terry Bowden a pass, which is fair, for year 1 at Akron then you must also acknowledge that Bowden benefited year 1 at Auburn (the year he won SEC COY) from the talent that was left there for him by the previous coach. His success at Auburn must be why he was fired midway through his 6th season. I don't think he is a terrible coach, but also don't think he would get the notoriety he does if not for his last name. If Akron actually starts to contend in the MAC I'll be the 1st to apologize and admit that I was wrong. In fact Terry please prove me wrong. The MAC isn't like the B1G where the odds are so heavily stacked against a Maryland or Rutgers that they really have no chance of competing. A great coach can come in and build a contender in a few years. Fleck who you so vehemently hate turned an 1-11 team to a 13-1 team in a matter of 3 seasons. Edited January 9, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 When did I say anything about Auburn? And I don't agree with your logic. You can have a completely loaded team and fail to deliver an undefeated team and unofficial national champiinship. And who sold I or anyone else is giving him a pass? Recognizing that things happen beyond human control is far from giving someone a pass. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kreed5120 Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 (edited) 12 minutes ago, zipsoutsider said: When did I say anything about Auburn? And I don't agree with your logic. You can have a completely loaded team and fail to deliver an undefeated team and unofficial national champiinship. And who sold I or anyone else is giving him a pass? Recognizing that things happen beyond human control is far from giving someone a pass. I wasn't responding to you. My response was to Balsy. I do think it is no coincidence however that his 2 best seasons at Auburn were his 1st 2 years when he was coaching some other coaches recruits. Edit: Like I've said I'd love for Bowden to prove me wrong and hopefully he will. I just have my doubts. Edited January 9, 2017 by kreed5120 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 I have to add this: It remains extremely puzzling to me if he's suddenly lost his ability to successfully coach a football team. Couldn't have happened, in my opinion. He's been far too successful, far too many times, at far too many places. But, he wouldn't be the first guy who "slipped" as they aged in their profession. Again, I will trust the leadership who hires and pays him to decide all of this. I know we probably all expected his coaching connections, recruiting connections, and his credibility as a Bowden to produce more than what it's produced, and sooner. I think next year is key, as many people have suggested. We need an answer as to whether progress was only temporarily halted with the injuries and late season collapse in 2016. If not, we will hopefully at least be searching for a solution. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipsoutsider Posted January 9, 2017 Report Share Posted January 9, 2017 33 minutes ago, kreed5120 said: I wasn't responding to you. My response was to Balsy. I do think it is no coincidence however that his 2 best seasons at Auburn were his 1st 2 years when he was coaching some other coaches recruits. Edit: Like I've said I'd love for Bowden to prove me wrong and hopefully he will. I just have my doubts. My apologies, on my phone, it looked like you were quoting me. However, you cannot ignore the loss of 13 scholarships and post season play when you factor in subsequent years at Auburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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