Zip_ME87 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) 9 minutes ago, skip-zip said: I never watched an Akron soccer game when Ken Lolla was here Yes, thankful we won today and didn't have the scenario that you're talking about. But, I was just addressing why you think the committee would suddenly give a Top 4 seed to a team that's never been in the mix before, and is coming out of the MAC. I'd be shocked if that happens. All I meant is that it would be deserved if WMU's RPI rank is 4 or higher. I agree that they might still not get a top 4 seed but could be difficult to skip over depending upon who the other potential top 4 seeds are. Looking at current RPI, it's not likely that WMU's will be 4 or better. So, this is probably a moot discussion anyway. As you stated, I don't see an "unknown" MAC Tourney Champion getting a top 4 seed [without a top 4 RPI]. In my original response, I should have qualified what I meant by "deserved"...only if RPI 4 or better. 1 Wake Forest 2 North Carolina 3 Duke 4 Indiana 5 Louisville 6 Clemson 7 Western Michigan 8 Notre Dame 9 Michigan State 10 Virginia 11 Stanford 12 Akron Edited November 10, 2017 by Zip_ME87 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 (edited) I think it will be extremely difficult for the NCAA Tournament Committee to give all 4 top seeds to 1 conference. Depending upon how the final RPI plays out, I could see #3 or #4 being skipped for the next highest RPI ranked team not in the same conference [i.e., likely skipping an ACC team for a B1G team]. Edited November 11, 2017 by Zip_ME87 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 Maybe we all ought to just focus on winning on Sunday...and keep on winning after that It would be nice to get several more home games, after not having the MAC tournament here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted November 10, 2017 Report Share Posted November 10, 2017 If Gaucho Dan's formula is correct [matches the NCAA"s], then RPI is bogus in that I do not see how Stanford could be ranked ahead of Akron. Akron's strength of schedule and opponents strength of schedule are both better than Stanford's. SOS is significantly better. (1 additional loss seems to be the difference.) 11 Stanford Record 15-2-1 RPI 0.6154 SOS 71 OSS 21 12 Akron Record 15-3-1 RPI 0.6116 SOS 46 OSS 18 Reference: http://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/search/label/RPI Rank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Beacon sent a stringer to Kalamazoo https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/university-of-akron/university-of-akron-mens-soccer-skye-harters-last-second-goal-sparks-zips-to-2-1-ot-win-over-siu-edwardsville-in-mac-tournament-semifinal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 6 minutes ago, TennZip said: Beacon sent a stringer to Kalamazoo Noooooooo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip_ME87 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 9 minutes ago, TennZip said: Beacon sent a stringer to Kalamazoo https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/university-of-akron/university-of-akron-mens-soccer-skye-harters-last-second-goal-sparks-zips-to-2-1-ot-win-over-siu-edwardsville-in-mac-tournament-semifinal This was right on and has been so worrisome this season... “We talked about this all year with this group,” Embick said. “One of the things I emphasized to them was despite how well we’ve played and the wins we’ve gotten, we haven’t found our way back into games when we’ve given up the first goal. “At some point, we’re going to be down and we have to come from behind and do what we do. Today was a perfect opportunity and perfect example of what we preach to them.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 58 minutes ago, TennZip said: Beacon sent a stringer to Kalamazoo https://www.ohio.com/akron/sports/university-of-akron/university-of-akron-mens-soccer-skye-harters-last-second-goal-sparks-zips-to-2-1-ot-win-over-siu-edwardsville-in-mac-tournament-semifinal Brad has been writing some good stuff (when they publish it) all season (when he’s there). Understands the game well. Writes up alot of high school matches as well. But skip is right...”Nooooooo!” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBZipfan Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 hours ago, Zip_ME87 said: If Gaucho Dan's formula is correct [matches the NCAA"s], then RPI is bogus in that I do not see how Stanford could be ranked ahead of Akron. Akron's strength of schedule and opponents strength of schedule are both better than Stanford's. SOS is significantly better. (1 additional loss seems to be the difference.) 11 Stanford Record 15-2-1 RPI 0.6154 SOS 71 OSS 21 12 Akron Record 15-3-1 RPI 0.6116 SOS 46 OSS 18 Reference: http://rpiupdatemenssoccer.blogspot.com/search/label/RPI Rank The extra loss is the difference. Akron's winning percentage is 15.5/19 = 0.819, Stanford's is 15.5/18 = 0.861. A team's winning percentage is 1/4 of RPI, so the RPI difference from this is (1/4)(0.8611-0.8158)=0.0113. The actual RPI difference is much smaller, 0.6154-0.6116=0.0038. This is due to Akron's better strength of schedule. An Akron win over WMU will push them above Stanford (whose season is over). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malonepioneer12 Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 MarkS, assuming Akron beats WMU, what is the highest Akron could get in the RPI? Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SBZipfan Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 (edited) I believe the highest possible RPI rank for Akron is #7. If the Zips beat WMU, I calculate their final RPI (including the max bonus of 0.0065 for a road win over a top team) as 0.6278. WMU's RPI, currently 0.6302, will drop with the loss to 0.6269 (or lower if there is a penalty for a home loss, which I don't know). Clemson is #6 at 0.6356, and their season is done. These calculations do not include shifts of SOS and OSS due to games played by opponents and opponents' opponents (too many possible cases to run through), but these should be minor effects. So that leaves Akron at #7. (This also assumes Wake beats Virginia in the ACC final; if Virginia wins, they will be above Akron also, and bump them down to #8. So root for Wake!) Edited November 11, 2017 by MarkS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fknbuflobo Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Will the MAC Final be streamed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 15 minutes ago, fknbuflobo said: Will the MAC Final be streamed? ESPN3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 http://wmubroncos.com/news/2017/11/10/mens-soccer-headed-to-mac-championship.aspx zips fans...get there early if you are traveling to the "zoo" sounds like they are expecting a record crowd head coach Chad Wiseman: "The table is set for yet another top 10 showdown at the WMU Soccer Complex on Sunday, this time with a championship on the line. I expect the atmosphere to be incredible. Our University and community will be out in full force, it will be a game you won't want to miss." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TennZip Posted November 11, 2017 Author Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 https://weather.com/weather/hourbyhour/l/USMI0442:1:US the weather looks awful for Kalamazoo light freezing rain....from midnight to 8 am high of 38 , low of 35 from 1pm to 3pm...with 40% chance of showers going to be a very sloppy field Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 18 minutes ago, TennZip said: ead coach Chad Wiseman: "The table is set for yet another top 10 showdown at the WMU Soccer Complex on Sunday, this time with a championship on the line. I expect the atmosphere to be incredible. Our University and community will be out in full force, it will be a game you won't want to miss." That's code for...... "We're going to make it look like thousands of people will be there, because we're begging you to come and support us". They only drew 200 for their final home game this year, and only 500 yesterday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 hour ago, TennZip said: going to be a very sloppy field Surprised yesterday how good the pitch seemed to be....usually WMU's is terribly sloopy....I remember a few seasons back when they allegedly watered it down and made it sloppy just to try to slow down our Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Hey! Wouldn't it be great if The U had a viewing party in the JAR using the new video scoreboard for fans to watch the match together??? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 We put a coating of water on our field before every game. The Zips should be used to it by now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fknbuflobo Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 1 minute ago, ZipsVoice said: Hey! Wouldn't it be great if The U had a viewing party in the JAR using the new video scoreboard for fans to watch the match together??? Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, Hilltopper said: We put a coating of water on our field before every game. The Zips should be used to it by now. Wasn't our AD the AD at Marquette when we played there on an iced-over field? It's a crappy tactic that increases the chance for injuries, even if it's done in the name of home-field advantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 minutes ago, Hilltopper said: We put a coating of water on our field before every game. The Zips should be used to it by now. It wasn't a coating...it was a frickin' flood they put down. Looked like the football field up there a few weeks ago! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fknbuflobo Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 3 hours ago, TennZip said: ESPN3 My cable provider does not carry ESPN3. They carry every other ESPN On TV, but not ESPN 3. Are there any watch parties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 Just now, fknbuflobo said: My cable provider does not carry ESPN3. They carry every other ESPN On TV, but not ESPN 3. It's strictly an internet channel... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsVoice Posted November 11, 2017 Report Share Posted November 11, 2017 2 minutes ago, fknbuflobo said: Are there any watch parties? We can meet at Panera's and watch my laptop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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