Game 4- OSU

[dre22era]

7 hours ago, Spin said:

I couldn’t care less who knew. 
 

I want my alma mater’s athletics to play at a high level, but at a level it can financially be competitive in today’s college sports landscape. I don’t want to see my home-village high school football team playing St. Ed’s. That doesn’t interest me at all. I don’t want to see the Zips soccer team playing Manchester United. I’ll watch one or the other. But against each other? Not interested.

 

YMMV

From the Ohio U Game thread 

Ohio U Under Frank Solich

In 16 seasons = 11 bowl appearances, 4 Mid-American Conference East titles and a Top 25 ranking

Thats what I want and we should have by now if it wasn't for a dumb back channel coaching hire 

Winning puts fans in the seats

Winning creates Boosters

Winning Generates Revenue 

There are many Good Mid Major Programs out there that are good enough to compete with the elites. 

With all the $$$$ dumped into this program we should have been there already. 

I don't want to back out and regress the program now. 

A bad program is a bad program and a lack $$$$ is not the root cause. 

Ask Florida State

Ask Miami 

 

[TheZipCat]

On 9/29/2021 at 2:00 AM, GP1 said:

I think these games do, indeed, have a measurable impact and that impact is almost entirely in the negative. If it was positive, athletic directors, who are little more than snake oil salesmen, would not describe them as being "good for exposure".  

 

The snake oil salesmen sells snake oil as the cure for your ailments knowing the snake oil will only make you sicker. Since your condition is worse, they then are able to sell even more snake oil for your problems. This is how the Tennessee game came to be. There is nothing about that game that benefits the players, students, alumni, fans and greater Akron community. It almost exclusively benefits the athletic director's career and Tennessee. See how G5 ADs do not act in the best interest of the institutions they work for?

 

Bet everything you have that the Tennessee game will not result in a rapid influx of students from Tennessee. 

100% agree. Except the caveat is it does help the University of Akron because it helps the anemic program stay at least a little more soluble financially...so in that that in turn technically benefits the University. As you say, it objectively does nothing for students, alumni or fans.

 

On 9/29/2021 at 3:52 AM, 94zipgrad said:

I can’t believe this argument is still going on.  It is what it is, it’s the system as it is designed.  If you find yourself in the bottom 10 of FBS your probably not filling the seats in the stadium and need money games to survive.

The argument isn't over we isn't over us doing what we need to do to survive financially, it's over the contention that it helps enrollment. It does not. People have been justifying D-1 FBS football at schools like akron because of poor arguments like "it helps with advertising" or "it helps with alumni donations" or "it helps with enrollment". It's objectively not true. Yes if you're already stuck with FBS football, then yes...you have no choice but to sacrifice for the paydays...but we shouldn't pretend it's anything but that. Getting drummed by OSU during a night game DID OBJECTIVELY NOTHING for Akron other than for us to collect the paycheck. It did not help with enrollment. It did not help with rentention.

[TheZipCat]

On 9/28/2021 at 8:29 PM, dre22era said:

You have provided nothing but bullshit logic to support your claim. 

I provided COMMON SENSE in regards to advertising and marketing which everyone does. 

Unless you work in the accounting department do us all a favor and STFU 

My logic is onpoint Drey. I supported it with the actual numbers. You specifically said "enrollment" and I proved that your contention doesn't even hold water.

Clearly it's not "COMMON SENSE" because if the actual real-life numbers don't support your position...it's not true. if you can't actually prove it mathematically it's not "common sense". Newton's Laws of motion are "common sense" but they took the invention of Zero and calculus to prove actually existed.

Your version of "Common Sense" ain't worth pennies brother. I sure as hell hope there isn't an accounting department that runs on your "Common Sense" because they might as well run on fairy farts and rainbows.

Edited October 1, 2021 by TheZipCat

[dre22era]

16 minutes ago, TheZipCat said:

 I supported it with the actual numbers. 

Numbers where? 

You must be high on meth 

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Edited October 1, 2021 by dre22era

[TheZipCat]

3 hours ago, dre22era said:

Numbers where? 

You must be high on meth 

Don't write a cheque with your mouth you can't cash with your ass Dre. Because apparently your reading comprehension sucks, I'll happily recount the thread you could easily re-read yourself, as if you were a 3rd grader:

Your comment:

On 9/27/2021 at 1:46 PM, dre22era said:

...The game was not only about the money. 

The exposure alone helped the University as a whole in regards to enrollment and notoriety....

My response:
 

On 9/27/2021 at 8:23 PM, TheZipCat said:

What utter nonsense. In what UNIVERSE are you living in? Seriously...it's not the 1920s. Precisely ZERO people watched that game and went "GeE I mIgHt Go To AkRoN" like come on.  Getting drummed by OSU on not-national television does nothing for enrollment or notoriety, nor does it help with any level of advertising. Akron played a hell of a game against Tennessee in 2012, and followed that up by almost beating Michigan in 2013.

If that contention is true, that it "helps with enrollment" there should have been a bump no? At the very least maintained right? UA's enrollment in Fall 2012 was 30,000.  In Fall 2013 it was 27,000. Which was the verge of a half-decade of constant declining enrollment which in large part created the financial mess the University has been in for nearly a decade, because it was built on the debt-mirage of constant growth.  

This is the same tired, easily debunkable argument made to justify ridiculous spending by administrators who want to pad their resume. Kinda unbelievable to see people on this board still making it lit it's a serious argument.

I directly quoted the fall enrollment for two high-profile games: 1) Night Game vs Tennessee and 2) Where we almost beat Michigan. No "helped the University as a whole in regards to enrollment and notoriety" as you put it, as we saw a near-constant decrease in enrollment since those two games. Not to mention we also had other "high profile" games that we did far better in than the OSU game....did you hear that?  That's the sound of your bullshit being flushed down the toilet.

You like to throw around "common sense", but when a position demonstrably fails to conform to reality...it's called bullshit.  It's the motto of science: Nullius In Verba, see for yourself. Or, as I like to translate it: put up or shut up. You can't actually support your position with actual data, so you run to the "cOmMoN sEnSe" bullshit. Are you a graduate from UA? Because you're embarrassing us.

Edited October 2, 2021 by TheZipCat

[dre22era]

2 hours ago, TheZipCat said:

Don't write a cheque with your mouth you can't cash with your ass Dre. Because apparently your reading comprehension sucks, I'll happily recount the thread you could easily re-read yourself, as if you were a 3rd grader:

Your comment:

My response:
 

I directly quoted the fall enrollment for two high-profile games: 1) Night Game vs Tennessee and 2) Where we almost beat Michigan. No "helped the University as a whole in regards to enrollment and notoriety" as you put it, as we saw a near-constant decrease in enrollment since those two games. Not to mention we also had other "high profile" games that we did far better in than the OSU game....did you hear that?  That's the sound of your bullshit being flushed down the toilet.

You like to throw around "common sense", but when a position demonstrably fails to conform to reality...it's called bullshit.  It's the motto of science: Nullius In Verba, see for yourself. Or, as I like to translate it: put up or shut up. You can't actually support your position with actual data, so you run to the "cOmMoN sEnSe" bullshit. Are you a graduate from UA? Because you're embarrassing us.

Yes I am proud Graduate of UA who has since earned two MS Degrees and works on Capitol Hill. 
The only thing embarrassing in here is your tone deaf clueless lethargic Bullshit. 

You want no part of me cuzzo. Trust me on that. 

 

Based on your flawed logic boy look at those idiots 

 

Edited October 2, 2021 by dre22era

[John Ward]

1 hour ago, dre22era said:

Yes I am proud Graduate of UA who has since earned two MS Degrees and works on Capitol Hill. 
The only thing embarrassing in here is your tone deaf clueless lethargic Bullshit. 

You want no part of me cuzzo. Trust me on that. 

 

Based on your flawed logic boy look at those idiots 

 

Oh great ! A DC socialite has joined the thread. Don’ t disagree with them or else. Im out !!!

[Spin]

I disagree on some points in that college athletics DO promote the schools to prospective student. 

 

Would Ohio State be so popular if it weren't for the football team? That students don't subconsciously see that as a more successful school because the sports programs are successful? Or that they see themselves partying in the streets before and after (and during) the football games? And seeing the students on TV having such a good time at the games? You know it does.

 

At the same time sports have the opposite effect on prospective students when the teams perennially suck. With apologies to the other Zips programs, football is pounded into everyone's brain in this region. Soccer is growing in popularity every day, and college basketball is as well, but neither is not quite on the same level as football in the post industrial blue collar regions. 

 

Ohio State saw record enrollment figures again this year. Akron? Not so much. We had our chance with Coach Bowden, for whatever reason he changed course and here we are again. With a fragment of the budget we had, and a university in financial crisis. If only...

[TheZipCat]

17 hours ago, dre22era said:

Yes I am proud Graduate of UA who has since earned two MS Degrees and works on Capitol Hill. 
The only thing embarrassing in here is your tone deaf clueless lethargic Bullshit. 

You want no part of me cuzzo. Trust me on that. 

 

Based on your flawed logic boy look at those idiots 

 

 

Two master's degrees? Goodness I just have one and I can understand how to make a basic evidence-based-claim, this is even more embarrassing. Yeah...cool...some president of some university said something. Here's the only thing that matters: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION?

Yeah, sure they're in a marketing war against each other. Sweet. Wheres the evidence that shows Akron Football has any measurable impact on said marketing? I've already demonstrated with the actual numbers, it does not. 

(This is where, with the knowledge you gained from TWO master's degrees, you provide actual evidence and not just hearsay from some University Professor in a News article). I know Capitol Hill is filled with self aggrandizing group-think pricks who circulate their own farts around the cocktail circuit, but in the real world of science research we eviscerate those who cannot support their assertions with evidence.

Literally all I asked you to do was provide the evidence. Where is it Dre, where is it? If it's "common sense" it should be directly observable and mathematically quantifiable. IF you can't do that, you're full of crap. Perhaps you've been on Capitol Hill too long you're starting to believe spin that is created there.

Edited October 2, 2021 by TheZipCat

[TheZipCat]

9 hours ago, Spin said:

Would Ohio State be so popular if it weren't for the football team? That students don't subconsciously see that as a more successful school because the sports programs are successful? Or that they see themselves partying in the streets before and after (and during) the football games? And seeing the students on TV having such a good time at the games? You know it does.

Do we "know" it does though? Ohio State denies students entry, and those students have to go to 2nd 3rd options. Because the true test of that assertion is at non-OSU like schools, where it objectively does not. UA had its highest enrollment when it's football team was at its worst. And that's just one example. 

We only "know" something if it's demonstrable. And student "preference" or "interest" is not the same as increasing enrollment. If it's true that Akron GAINS enrollment from successful sports or merely playing in big-time games, it should be directly observable.

Edited October 2, 2021 by TheZipCat

[GP1]

I was driving home from Winston Salem today and turned on the game on XM. Ten minutes to go. Zips down by 3. A comedy of errors take place in 3 plays. I turned it off. Life is too short. 

[GP1]

39 minutes ago, GP1 said:

I was driving home from Winston Salem today and turned on the game on XM. Ten minutes to go. Zips down by 3. A comedy of errors take place in 3 plays. I turned it off. Life is too short. 

My goodness. I actually put this post in the wrong thread. I couldn't be more indifferent to what's going on with this program. Post belongs in OU thread. 

Edited October 3, 2021 by GP1

[dre22era]

3 hours ago, TheZipCat said:

 

Two master's degrees? Goodness I just have one and I can understand how to make a basic evidence-based-claim, this is even more embarrassing. Yeah...cool...some president of some university said something. Here's the only thing that matters: WHERE IS THE EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT YOUR POSITION?

Yeah, sure they're in a marketing war against each other. Sweet. Wheres the evidence that shows Akron Football has any measurable impact on said marketing? I've already demonstrated with the actual numbers, it does not. 

(This is where, with the knowledge you gained from TWO master's degrees, you provide actual evidence and not just hearsay from some University Professor in a News article). I know Capitol Hill is filled with self aggrandizing group-think pricks who circulate their own farts around the cocktail circuit, but in the real world of science research we eviscerate those who cannot support their assertions with evidence.

Literally all I asked you to do was provide the evidence. Where is it Dre, where is it? If it's "common sense" it should be directly observable and mathematically quantifiable. IF you can't do that, you're full of crap. Perhaps you've been on Capitol Hill too long you're starting to believe spin that is created there.

So you keep demanding evidence while ignoring the evidence i provide to further support my point you f-u-c-k-in idiot 

And yeah Capitol Hill is filled with self aggrandizing group-think pricks YOU probably help vote in but than again half you Ohio pricks don't show up to the polls anywhere which is why you live in a poverty stricken wars-zone. Hope you enjoyed the latest embarrassing loss today sir. 

[TheZipCat]

32 minutes ago, dre22era said:

So you keep demanding evidence while ignoring the evidence i provide to further support my point you f-u-c-k-in idiot 

And yeah Capitol Hill is filled with self aggrandizing group-think pricks YOU probably help vote in but than again half you Ohio pricks don't show up to the polls anywhere which is why you live in a poverty stricken wars-zone. Hope you enjoyed the latest embarrassing loss today sir. 

You provided no evidence. You provided only conjecture and unverifiable claims. That's. Not. Evidence.

[LZIp]

2 minutes ago, TheZipCat said:

You provided no evidence. You provided only conjecture and unverifiable claims. That's. Not. Evidence.

dre isn't worth the time, brotha.

[TheZipCat]

15 hours ago, LZIp said:

dre isn't worth the time, brotha.

As I've come to realize.