kreed5120

UCSB job has already been filled. http://www.azdesertswarm.com/basketball/2017/3/30/15120176/arizona-basketball-joe-pasternack-leaving-wildcats-to-be-head-coach-at-uc-santa-barbara-recruiting

I was just typing this exact thing.

I'm kind of torn on Groce. He went 34-30 in the MAC regular season, but somehow still managed to win 3 NCAAT games. He then goes to Illinois and makes 1 NCAAT appearance in 5 years in a conference that routinely receives 5-8 bids. Given his underwhelming performance at Illinois, he might need to go to someplace like Akron for 2-3 years to prove himself before he gets another chance at one of those larger schools.

So outside of Georgetown we appear to be the best opening still available.

I get it you feel he is a poor recruiter, I don't. Lets agree to disagree and move on.

Does anyone have a listing of what jobs still remain open?

I'm not sure if you remember the backlash that cutting the baseball program caused, but dropping the football team to FCS would be that x1000. One could argue whether it is the right thing to do financially or not, but at the end of the day the administration that tries to do it can kiss their jobs goodbye.

I don't know the back stories on all these guys. Just that they were highly touted coming out of high school. I'm not sure who recruited every single player that came in and out of OSU nor do I really care. I don't have this magical map that you somehow apparently do that shows who was assigned to what state. So you're saying it is just a coincidence they quit landing these guys after Boals left? Good to know. Edit: As Z-Pouch stated I'll just agree to disagree.

It actually appears it was 4 guys who transferred out of that 5 guy class. The one I missed initially was Mickey Mitchell. All were top 120 players coming out of high school. Daniel Giddens transferred to Alabama Austin Grandstaff transferred to Oklahoma A.J. Harris transferred to New Mexico State Mickey Mitchell transferred to UCSB http://ohiostate.247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/Commits Edit: As I stated before Boals signed a 4 year $1.875M (469k/year) contract at Stony Brook and I honestly don't see us paying him, or anyone for that matter, $600k starting out which is probably what it would take to get him here.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but when you transfer you have to sit out a year.

And some of the best guys he recruited are no longer on the team because they transferred to other P5 programs and in the case of a guys like D'Angelo Russell they left early to play in the NBA.

IDK what your problem is. You are the one that stated their problem was recruiting and claimed it started under Boals. I stated they recruited great under Boals and backed it up with facts (them having 4 top 10 recruiting classes). They had a terrific recruiting class in 2015, however, 60% of that class transferred. I don't know the story of why nor do I really care. Their 2016 class was underwhelming and their 2017 class appears to be shaping up to be equally as bad. OSU program has obviously been regressing over the last 2 years by missing the tournament and I never stated otherwise. I don't see how me disputing a balatant alternative fact on your part is me defending OSU. Their program is going downhill and based off their incoming class it doesn't appear to be turning itself around anytime soon.

I'm not going to pretend to know how influential he was on the recruiting trail, but it was evident OSU was consistently bringing in top 10 classes with him there and with him gone their recruiting classes have fallen off quite a bit. It may me coincidence or it may not be. The original point I was disputing was someone tried stating OSU recruiting fell off while he was there, which clearly wasn't the case. It fell off after he left.

You are trying to criticize a guy that helped bring in 4 top 10 recruiting classes during a period OSU was regularly playing into the 2nd weekend of the tournament. Why is it relevant what state the players came from? His #1 recruit at Akron Zeke Marshall who was an out of state prospect. Duke, Kentucky, and UNC didn't get to be where they are by only recruiting in state prospects. They go for the best players regardless of where they are located.

Jared Sullinger or Aaron Craft might be some Ohio kids you recognize

I'm not advocating for Boals or anyone specifically. I'm just presenting facts so people can form their own opinions. Personally, I don't see Boals coming as Akron seems like too much of a lateral move plus he is only 1 year into his current deal so his buyout is likely sizable. I do however feel it's unfair to say his recruits didn't pan out. OSU made something like 4-5 Sweet 16 with him there so clearly some quality talent went through there during his time. I don't know the story on the transfers, but no way a coach can predict which 17 year old kids will or won't transfer and who knows maybe the other 3 turn out to be studs.

I don't know how I was fooled. That was an obvious ploy.

You are alluding to the fact that the $1.1 billion medical research facilitity was built for the purpose of recruiting. Please explain how the two are remotely related when 99.9% of student athletes aren't going to OSU to get their MD-PhD? That is there single largest debt holding on their books and represents ~40% of their debt. As Zippy5 pointed out they are in a position to pay their bills. We however are not. Every time you try pointing your finger at someone, 2 fingers are pointing back at you. Let's get our own matters in order before we criticize others.

Athlete villages are at a lot of places. Akron doesn't have them. If universities such as OSU are fully funded and are transferring money to the university to pay room and board on their student athletes, the athletic department is indirectly paying for these. Things like the student union and the red center are designed to benefit the entire university. In fact, those facilities probably benefit the run of the mill students more as athletes have player lounges and weight rooms of their own that they can use.

For starters it appears we're using different rankings, but considering OSU made the tournament every year between 2010-2015 and made 4 Sweet 16 appearances during that period, I'd say it's fair to say mine are a more accurate depiction. They are also the composite rankings which averages all the top ranking sites. I only included rankings where Boals was there for the entire recruiting cycle. 2010 - #2 6 recruits 2011 - #6 5 recruits 2012 - #106 1 recruit 2013 - #36 2 recruits 2014 - #6 4 recruits 2015 - #5 5 recruits Every single recruiting class that OSU had more than 2 recruits, OSU finished top 10 in the nation in recruiting. The only class that was 'bad' was the class where they only had 1 scholarship available. http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Basketball/CompositeTeamRankings

I'm wanting to say this recent downturn in OSU success isn't recruiting related. They had a pretty talented freshman class the year we played them in the NIT (#5 rated class in the country), but they got hit by the injury bug pretty hard. Those freshman then decided to transfer at the end of the season, which hurt OSU this season. Edit: Looking further 3 out of the 5 recruits that made up that #5 rated class transferred. OSU 2016 and 2017 rankings haven't been anywhere near as good. I'm not sure how much the drop off has to do with coincidence or not that recruiting fell off when Boals left. Either way recruiting was great at OSU when he was there.

I'm still salty about the situation, but in 5-10 years when they have a banner raising ceremony to honor Dambrot I'll be at the JAR (yes, I have 0 faith we'll have a new arena by then) standing and clapping as loud as everyone else in the arena.

If Akron didn't have to subsidize the athletic program to the tune of $24 million per year, we could afford much nicer amenities around campus.

Who here wouldn't leave their job today if they could take the same job somewhere else doubling your pay? I don't have a problem with Dambrot leaving. I have a problem with how he left. Trying to poach our players is shady. He didn't even have the decency to have a team meeting to notify his players beforehand. Instead he left them in the dark and had his assistants do his dirty work afterwards. As for the players, outside of maybe Josh Williams, none of these guys grew up caring about Zips athletics. These players came to Akron because it was their best and in many cases their only option at the time. As soon as they believe Akron is no longer their best option they move onto someplace else they feel is.

Going from high school coach to college D1 head coach is an incredible leap. I do see value in putting him on staff and giving him the opportunity to work his way up, the same we did with Dambrot.