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It makes OSU fans feel good though, and to that end, it doesn't matter if if the competition off the field before the game even started was unequal. I find it to be insanely pointless and boring, but there will never be a shortage of people wanting to buy 100k+ tickets to watch a gridiron sacrifice. It's just good business, nothing more. The real game of equals was last night, and OSU lost 2-0.

Great home game and crowd for a Saturday afternoon in Athens for the Bobcats against WVU, and it is a competitive game. Wish we had such things!

Big game tonight! My prediction, Zips 2-1.

You and GP1 both have valid points here. I think the scales begin to tip when the "minor" league's revenue is on par with the major league, which it is becoming due to consolidation and concentration of the big name schools/programs. At the very least, NFL owners have taken notice.

Severn...great, beautiful area. Cheers, fellow UA alum in Maryland. 🍺

So hundreds of millions of dollars of subsidy from hundreds of thousands of students taking student loans at MAC universities is worth it so that 30 players who become millionaires upon being drafted can have a local brand? I don't think so. Cost>>>>>>>>>Benefit

One can contribute in the football forum out of overall love for UA, recognizing the damage that keeping the status quo in football is doing to the university and every other institution in the MAC and G6.

I disagree. Toledo is the premier football program.

And I said nothing about socialism or communism. There is no need to trot out these boogeymen models in defense of plutocrats or oligarchs. You will never be one and neither will I. The populace's constant defense of plutocrats and oligarchs astounds me.

There are an infinite number of ways to do college football better than NIL for MAC-level programs. I provided one. You suggested another. They all have merit. As for the prior season not impacting the next, this happens due to rankings whether we like it or not, and that's not determined by anything on the field but rather mere opinion. My suggestion at least let's all schools participate in a meaningful post-season and let's next season jockeying be determined by results on the field.

Let's be serious...we aren't even consistently competing with Toledo and haven't been for more than a decade. We were though one chip shot FG away from defeating Indiana a few years ago though. Granted, that relative situation has changed since. In the Owens era (I believe it was), we lost 28-14 to OSU, and they got a score or two late to pull away. We lost in OT at the NIT to OSU in men's basketball about ten years ago. We have a stellar record against OSU and more success in men's soccer. So yes, we do compete with OSU, BUT that cannot happen when the the difference comes down to being able to pay players or not. Like GP1 says, find a new model for football at the conference level. Otherwise, football will continue to be a major drag on all other sports and the reputation of UA as a whole.

The same argument is made by the right against Amtrak...it doesn't turn a profit. You know what?...neither does our highway system or airports or libraries or schools or fire or police departments. In the early years of this country for profit police and fire departments were tried, and they were an absolute disaster. Basically, when you try to put a price on everything, nothing has value anymore. All of the G6 need to band together and create a competition level between FCS and 1-AA. Suppose there would be about 4 conferences and ~64 total teams. A quarter would play a single elimination championship bracket after the conference season while the others would play out-of-conference games that could help determine how many wild card invites for the tournament a particular conference gets for the following season. Level playing field, every game is meaningful, players get paid a living stipend, but they aren't free agents...I'd watch that!

I think we were positioned to be the next Cincinnati; however, the 2008 financial crisis, Covid, and consistent defunding could not have been predicted, and all have had disastrous consequences for UA. AND who would have thought that having been competitive during the Owens era with the worst facilities in the country that we'd have some of the best then hire a series of duds for coaches and choose to get rid of the only two who were successful (Brookheart and Bowden) and become consistently the worst in the MAC?

Is there a single coach in the country that has "adapted to the changing landscapes of college athletics" post-NIL? I mean seriously, what mid-major has raised its profile to compete with the big boys since then?! NONE. It's not possible when any decent player that might be discovered or developed by a school like Akron can be bought by the OSU's of the world the very next season? Jason Taylor's and Dwight Smith's are a thing of the past for schools like Akron. I am not a fan of Moorhead, but I think he just recognizes the reality of the situation. Also, the gap between the haves and have-nots is so large that OSU's financial success is allowing the Buckeyes to buy players in other sports like men's soccer. Never in its history has OSU men's soccer been so strong and never enough to arguably be consistently better than the Zips. That's what money can do. As another example, consider this past NCAA men's basketball tournament. There were no Cinderellas, and the SEC and the "Big Ten" dominated because their football money allows them to buy basketball players. NIL has killed everything that was romantic about college sports, and schools like Akron are less likely to be successful than ever. It amazes me that our men's basketball and soccer programs remain as good as they are given the circumstances. Good coaches and strong traditions are carrying the momentum, but I do not know how long that can last in the face of a paycheck for many athletes who grew up with little resources at home. You can't sell good coaching and tradition to athletes whose families need financial stability to thrive.

Yes, you are correct. Thanks for the reminder. I was a big fan of Bowden and still oppose his firing. It's been so long that I cannot keep straight the chain of failures and, relatively speaking, when our last successful season was.

Agreed 100%. All I am saying is that there was another major factor at play, which is commonly ignored in similar discussions and that is not relevant to the current circumstances.

The iCoach years were way worse than this, but that was 15 years ago now, and I don't believe we've had a winning season since.

While well intentioned, this comment has aged like milk left out on the counter. Bring on the economics and soccer discussions.

I am all for taxing the plutocrats into oblivion to support a healthier society; however, another reason the 1950s were so prosperous is that most of the rest of the industrial world was destroyed during WWII.

It's similar to Dambrot's, "All that matters is winning the MAC attitude." It's precisely why he never won an NCAAT game here. The standards were too low. If you are consistently competing for the MACC and half the time winning it, the standards have to be higher, and that entails winning a game or two in the NCAAT.

And just like that, most things about the NCAAT that appealed to the casual fan are gone. If this continues into the future, there will be viewer apathy, and ratings and advertising will suffer. The suits are always so short-sighted. I was only planning to watch games featuring Cinderellas. Since there are none, I've lost substantial interest. There are other things I can spend my spring weekend days enjoying.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_men's_basketball_tournament_all-time_team_records Interestingly, of all the teams to play in the men's NCAAT and not win a game only Boise State (10) and Eastern Kentucky (8) are more than our total of 7 without winning, and we are tied with Long Island University, Nebraska, and South Dakota State So, we are due to win a NCAAT game! 😁😆

And circle it on the calendar and get up for it like it is an NCAAT game. No more KD excuses like, the non-conference schedule doesn't matter, only winning the MAC does. Been there, done that.

How many Zips fans made the trip to Seattle?

Of course. All I am saying is that, politics aside, business logic dictates that the more fan bases engaged, the more theoretical viewers (customers), thus maximizing profit. But then again, I saw a NCAAT style playoff being great for college football, yet it still took decades to evolve beyond the traditional bowl model into a limited playoff system that expanded slowly. Adding all D-1A conference champions is the only sensible next step.