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It's just your opinion (and it sux)... listen closely, yo...Time will prove you wrong... You can speak like you are some sorta expert, but that doesn't make you right.

League? Why not just start with any quarterback who has had to try to play for Cleveland over the last several decades

sgm, this one could take years to pan out, and I really sorta wish there was a fast forward button or powers of forshadowment, but I really think you're going to eat it on your extremely low opinion of Charlie Frye

Brady could actually be a good QB in the NFL. I got nothing against him.... but on this team (browns).... in this state..... if he looks good right away, then maybe he IS jesus.I used to think that browns fans were knowledgeable football fans.It became obviously they are pretty lame when we got the team back they are so desperate to cling to something that they don't think straight. They would chant for Shirley Temple to go into the game and replace Joe Montana if he got sacked 3 times and threw an INT.

Looks like he is holding on to the ball too long here.

BULLSHITWHY OH WHY OH WHY did I erase that game off my DVR!!!!

I can see the organization being nasty. However, I can't see the other players being part of it. I mean the whole team, Charlie included. Did you notice how he threw so far behind players? Also, he had no comments when he left town either. Something just seems fishy. I don't agree that players would EVER cooperate with something like that, but Frye had only 2 passes that could have been considered bad, and one was blatant (the interception). The rest of the dropped passes were on the hands (when he actually had a freaking chance to throw) It was DA who was the one throwing behind.As I said, it's not a conspiracy. The players were not "in on it". It's just that the first three series were absolutely horrid (multiple sacks, dropped passes, short yardage runs) and it was the perfect opportunity to remove Charlie and leave a bad taste with the fans.

That's exactly what I said on sunday during the game.A bunch of dropped passes and sacks, and they pull him so early in the game over crap that wouldn't have been any different no matter who is in there???? (don't gimme no shit, because he wasn't holding the ball for a long time, and everyone knows frye can scramble). The first thing I said after they pulled him so early was "Wow, that's perfect. It's exactly what they needed. Fans have no positives to pin on him. He's gone. Quinn is in."Seriously. Why would you PULL HIM SO FAST if it was not for shear panic that if you left him in the game he things could turn around? It was perfect, albiet it would have been better if they left frye in the game longer and things still went badly... but they couldnt' take that chance. They had to get him out right then so they could be sure there was nothing positive to speak of and fans couldn't bitch when they made the move that they needed to make.Even Savage admitted it. "We clarified our QB situation". One guy had to go. Pulling Frye after that start was the perfect excuse. It's not conspiracy. It's political calculation.WE are the reasons it happened too. There's no love or loyalty for DA out there. It's us, the Frye Guys. That's reason behind all this. Were there nobody out there like us, the Browns would have cut or traded DA instead and played Frye up until they put Quinn in. Again, as I said, this isn't a conspiracy if you are in the Browns management. This is all scheme and calculation ("necessary" to keep fan alienation to a minimum)

It shouldn't matter as long as they keep in mind that 99.9% of us internet schmucks don't know what we are talking about but love to sound like we do.How hard would it be to just lurk in a forum where they are talking about you? That's gotta be rough.

I was just about to agree with you, then you started with the steelers thing. I will NEVER do that. ever!

I think that's the problem I got into with w00t and sgm so I decided that I had to shut up or it would never end. They were probably just arguing for the sake of arguing, but to me if felt like they were trolling and Frye bashing.

You're right, a lot would have to happen, but IF for some reason Frye was actually playing for the Seahawks that day, it would be the first time in my life I rooted against the browns.

I breathe a great sigh of relief.Now, the only thing I can hope for is that Frye gets a chance to start someday on a real team.

and it would seem that there are NFL people who think differently. ...and if that wasn't trolling, I don't know what is. Atleast you are slightly more direct than w00t

lol, and yet you are happy to keep going back and forth with me. :tomato:Rouse:an act or instance of rousing; especially : an excited stir

and I was speculating yesterday that if he was cut, there would have been multiple teams talking to him. The browns realized that, and decided to get something for him. Makes you wonder, doesn't it.But again, I reiterate, one only has to go back and read your posts to believe, in all your wisdom, that Charlie should be collecting unemployment today.

more trolling......... :rolleyes:You could alteast have stayed on topic to continue your rouse

a highschool QB?oh, no, a draftpick? OMG! To read your posts, I would have thought the browns would have just cut him outright and he would have withered into obscurity because no one would have ever wanted him....

so, what exactly are we debating now? eh troll?

HURRY! Someone tell Seattle to call sgm405 and w00t. They are smarter than NFL and they say Charlie Frye is a highschool quarterback!!!

I didn't taunt anyone, and I don't see where I implied in any way that I take pleasure in Charlie's misfortune, but his performance was atrocious on Sunday... and that's a fact. Loyalty has absolutely nothing to do with it. Being incapable of objectively judging someone's performance doesn't make you loyal, it makes you a lackey. And did you really just decry a lack of sensitivity on a sports messageboard? Yeah, I was going to mention the fact that I doubt you would act the same way in person... now you pretty much implied it. Thanx.

Bull! I'm talking about the last several posts where you guys come in here to taunt the really shity turn of events in the last few days on me and everyone in here who have1) legitimate opinions2) damned good reasons to be loyal to CharlieIf you aren't trolling, you could atleast try a little bit more tact and sensitivity.

someone close this topic. These morons are trolling now.

ROFL captain. I bet some teams will be thinking that very thing

Everyone in the NFL knows that it's no one's fault. Something like this can happen on any play to any player.But even if you don't consciously blame yourself, it's still gotta make you sick to your stomach to know you were involved. That's rough. I hope domenik is talking to people.