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Are you nuts?If I was the owner of those places, I wouldn't want to have to face 'clientèle' that knew my greedy ass practically put the kibosh on their's new stadium and dorms.

bahahahah! Just because you suck at lobbying........Can't? The moral highground? riiiighht

er..... tread long and prosper?

alumni and community will fill it up, and then when the zips have a great season and sellouts happen, students jump on the bandwagon will start complaining that they can't buy tickets. lol

tough to say without having a look at the designs of the new stadium, but the football field should be 54yards wide, so, it MIGHT be possible if you get creative with the sideline areas. Not my schtick, so I'm just shooting in the dark though. The length of the stadium field would be fine for soccer, but the width might be constrictive. However, I think I saw that it would have a synthetic turf which means you probably can't repaint it, so if it is perminently fixed, SOL

Several of the news stations have been calling it Akron U as well. I can understand using it in a headline (particularly when they get it right in the article) because space is so important, they often slander words and grammar, but you would think that aside from this, media and journalists would get it right.One additional note, I found this quote, which made me scoff at first, but then I remembered there will be classrooms in the stadium I think the property owners better settle up quick. If they wait for eminent domain, they could lose out.

Guys, this is the sorta thing I was talking about in the other thread with eminent domain.I am not saying that eminent domain is bad, in itself, I just think that property owners should have the right to compensation based on MORE than just property appraisal or "street value". It really should take things into account, such ashow long the owner has been there (and paid taxes on it)how much sentimental value it has (this is a tough one in legal terms, but I am sure evidence can often be provided)how much the owner has invested in the property, not just in dollars either, but in work and in timethe current recurring value (profitability, if a business)the difficulty in (appraised in worth) in re-locating to similar or more advantageous conditionsI want that stadium. It's a beautiful thing. It's great for the university, the students, alumni, the city, the community feel and value, and a lot more. But that doesn't mean you take a guy like this and throw street value at him and tell him to pack his bags, when he was willing to invest so much time, work, and money into this community when so many others weren't willing to.That said, this shouldn't be a sweepstakes for him either. I just think he should be justly compensated.

wow, what you just said sounded an awful lot like communism to me.Switch up a few words and you got "greater good" of the community superceding property rights.What the founding fathers intended was for a citizen not to get in the way of civil necessity. If we NEED a highway for civil order and even safety concerns, and my land is right smack in the middle of it's path, I can understand that.Debating eminent domain in THIS topic puts me at a great disadvantage, because we all WANT the stadium, and I know it really makes the issue emotional and difficult to be objective for us.I feel very safe in my opinion that what the founders did NOT want was for government to be able to freely take private property from citizens for profitable gain for the community. Okay, just because I'd like a playground for my kids, it doesn't mean the city takes the Johnson's and the Jone's houses away from them to build one. But if we have been having a lot of fires that we can't respond to and there is no where to build a fire station, building a firehouse different.Bringing in a new mall raises our tax base, but how many people from the community basically get kicked out to make room for private developers to get richer? The Franklins, McCains, Jeffersons, Johnsons, Luthers and the Millers wont be coming to your summer barbeque because they couldn't find homes for sale in town after the mall kicked them out. They wont be going to your kid's school, and they probably will be avoiding the town that kicked them out because it makes them sick to see it again. The Johnsons had their home in their family for three generations, and all he got for it was street value.Anyway, I'm not even arguing if eminent domain should go away or not.All I am saying is that part about people only getting "fair market value" really really sux.If your home has sentimental value, or if your business is in a critical location for your particular market, that has no bearing on your compensation. WTF!If you were sitting on a corner lot next to the highway as an investment, and you were banking your retirement on selling it to as gas station, and the city uses eminent domain to let a private developer put a gas-and-shop mini-mall in there (for the community's sake, because there is no where to shop or buy gas for 15 miles or 5 exits on the highway, so says the state) there and all you get is $20k even though you have been paying taxes on it for 10 years, you GOT SCREWED because eminent domain only has to give you fair market value which to them equates to a 200ft x 400ft grassy lot, and takes into no account what you paid nor what is going to be done with it.

out of that, I take this as most crucial: How I read that to mean is, 'just compensation' is determined by fair market appraisal, and not it's value to the land owner or it's value to the 'taker'.What this means to me is that the land owner is screwed, really.For example, if I own a corner shop, and I make 350,000 dollars a year in net profit, it doesn't matter, because that the property is only appraised at 150,000 dollars and that is all I will get for it. I stand to lose my 350k profit every year. What is more, the property could be worth even more than that per year to the taker (or in this case, the end owner, the university), but that doesn't matter either. The current owner only gets fair market value.It's great for the university, but as a constitutional libertarian, I find it very hard to believe that this is what the founders intended.If I own a home that has been in my family for 4 generations, that fact does matter in eminent domain. The fair market value is all I get. It really sux, in my opinion.

#20 is lead blocking on a lot of those

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The game time was always 7pm, the 6pm start time was for the CPD vs the CFD charity flag football game. o rly?

WTF, do we even need to play out the season anymore?Everyone's got it all figured out virtually down to records and stats. No reason to play.

The only thing I can think of is that these geniuses must have thought that they didn't want to hurt "hometown" ticket sales by broadcasting games (even though they could have picked away games) and never even considered that sparking local/regional interest could more than compensate in future games.If it wasn't that, then it just seems like another idiotic circumstance.

You know, I just drove by that billboard recently, and once I saw it, it struck me as a bad move by Can't.Now, even though most of us fans recognize the difference between Can't's color and ours, there is a relative similarity, and one has to take more than a passing glace at the billboard to see the Can't symbol. Then it occured to me to consider what people would think when they saw it. Would they for a second, before they read it, think that it was for the zips?Even if not, and they quickly saw that it was a billboard for Can't, I then pondered what someone would think.... like.... "Why is Can't advertising here?"and"hell, if I am going to any local ballgames, why would I chose Can't?"So, what I am wondering is, of the people who drive by that billboard who are NOT Can't students or allumni, how many are really going to go buy Can't football game tickets because of it?What is more, how many of them are just going to chose to go to a Can't game INSTEAD of akron.Even better, wouldn't the billboard simply just, in a way, announce the coming season, and give those people who have a perpensity to want to see a game the urge to go see the team they would have anyway?What I am driving at is the fact that Can't may have inadvertantly helped Akron some, without akron not having to spend a dime on that billboard.Brilliant!So, even if it's not a bad move by Can't, could it not in some resitual way help Akron, mostly because it probably inspired people to think of Akron in a circuitous way without akron having to pay for it.

that billboard ad is a deliberate throw-down to the UofA. There is no way they actually thought that they would sell enough more tickets by putting an ad on that board in that location to justify it. The only obvious motive is an in-your-face taunt.

If property owners are "playing the game" to get the most they can, they will do it in the negotiation phase. Holding out is a part of the negotiation phase. If they allow this to proceed all the way to official eminent domain action, they stand to lose a lot. This thing will happen, don't worry. Unless you get a real buckaroo or idealist, they are probably just going through the motions, forcing the university to go through they process. They will settle before it gets too far, because as I said, they stand to loose a lot more if they don't negotiate a settlement and end up taking what the eminent domain action gives them.

my evil plans:1) put up flyers at every rest stop in the SoutWest "Army amnesty day! One day only, the U.S. army will hand out citizenship papers to all who appear at cleveland browns stadium on Sept.1, 2007"2) Spreads rumor: U.S. Army UAAVs (unmanned aerial ATM vehicles) will dispense cash from 300ft over Cleveland Browns stadium during the patriot bowl.3) Pay David Blaine and Silvia Brown to publicly announced that Cleveland Browns Stadium will receive a baptism of good karma and good luck for 2007 if the Zips win in front of a large crowd.

Eventually, I think it will be good to limit powers of eminent domain. If done right, it will just protect a private citzen from local governments that simply want to requisition their property to swap out for other private developers so politicians can take kickbacks on deals or so their friend's development companies can get rich at the expense of the mom & pop shops.

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What's up with Sekinger?I remember when he transfered from Minnesota I thought "Oh shit, son, we're gonna have a big boy on that line in a year"

BTW, the start time for this game was recently moved from 6pm to 7pm.

question is, how long is the contract with 1350?

I have no doubt that this thing will go just like everything else.... after it's over, people will be coming up to me and saying "Oh, I didn't know the zips were playing in Brown's stadium yesterday. I was downtown in the morning and never heard about it. I might have gone if I had known."

we talked about converting to vBulletin after the BB season ended, but I don't know how serious the idea was.