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*raises hand* I have done web stuff, including PHP and flàsh... if you want any help with that.[edit]loox pretty good BTW. N/M Seems like you got it all under control.

I was at the bar, and not paying 100% attention to that game, but I found it amazing how WIDE OPEN the receivers were for quinny boy. Prevent defense made him look like a savior. This is exactly what the browns, the media, and the fans wanted. There's no stopping it now. The national media is on his band wagon as well.I believe Brady Quinn will come crashing to earth, but the writing is on the wall. Everyone want's Brady, and the media will be apologists for him when he has bad games. "Give him time. He's a rookie. He's bound to have bad games. Blah Blah Blah."Sorry, it's pretty much over for Frye no matter how he plays, unless Quinn gets injured. I predict Quinn will be starting by week5, possibly sooner.

hey flagship boy, if you wanna send students all across the state to universities that they shouldn't have to, then we can also send professors and resources to re-distribute the programs to all of the major universities so that they each offer a similar number and level of programs.If you are for stripping programs from universities all across the state, then you should sacrifice programs at your beloved "flagship" in order to evenly distribute programs around the state.I still say, you are all about crowning one state school, and screwing the rest. You have NONE of the altruistic and naively noble goals that you claim to. This is nothing more than a camplaign to protect tOSU from up and coming universities. If it's not, then agree to make sacrificies. Stop talking outa both sides of your mouth.

Still, even if you vehamently disagree, it wasn't name calling. It may have been inaccurate, and it may have even been wrong, but you seem to me to be using the whole righteous indignation to attack someone's opinion.As I said, if you disagree, say so. You were not attacked.

What are you talking about?I didn't see anything in his post and his generalizations about liberals that I would disagree with. It's the reason why I, a libertarian, sometimes find neo-cons the lesser of two evils, which is really really odd, but in this day and age, many so-called liberals really are big-government socialists!But he didn't call liberals mama's ugly. He was speaking in a non-personal way.If you chose to take it personal by association, that's your problem, because you don't need to. If you disagree with his generalizations, just say so. I don't see the need to accuse him of foul play. I disagree that there is.

In other words, lock in and protect one university with it's current set of programs resources.You couldn't be any more freaking obvious.This will hurt the hundreds of thousands of lower income students the most, who will now have to reside at universities on the other side of the state, instead of commuting to local schools.It will hurt part-time students who need to work while they attend because they are paying their own way or already have a job or career and decided to go back to school.It will force those students to pay the tuition rates of the one school that offers a program in the degree that they seek, regardless of the fact that if there were competition, a smaller University may have cost them less. It will force those students who didn't meet the qualifications of the only school that offered their degree or their program to sit out because that school filled it's quotas and could not take more students, even though there COULD have been other universities in the state that offered the degree/program, but those programs/degrees were wiped out by government-knows-best types.It means a student may have to attend a university that doesn't match their personality, such as being forced to go to Toledo or Ohio U or Miami when all they wanted to do was go to Akron, or perhaps even Ohio State. No choice makes a whole lot of sense. :rolleyes:Just freaking great. This isn't better for the consumer by any stretch.

Okay then, no more midgets.You must concede that all Universities in the state should then be turned into equal sized non-midgets. OSU should have to give up a lot of it's programs, and many of the smaller Universities should get new ones, and the state can pay each one equally for their equal number of programs.If you don't agree to this, then you are obviously using this program to protect Ohio State from the growing 'midgets', because you obviously do not want to create a "system" of universities for the betterment of the state.

By your logic, Harvard, Yale, and Brown University should all stop competing with each other. Look how close they are. Its rediculous. You cannot honestly address issue on the merits of your own argument. It's blatantly obvious. You want to strip the competition from the Universities in this state in order to protect one of them.If you honestly support what you have proposed, then you should allow for the even and equal distribution of resources and degree granting programs to all of the universities.

In fact, I was just thinking, I have an even better question that will get to the bottom of the true motivations of this whole caper:Would you be satisfied if every major university had an equal share of the programs and state resources?In other words, every university would get equal funding. Every university would have an equal number of undergraduate programs, and an equal number of Ph.D programs?Ohio State would have to give up a LOT for this program, but it would be for the greater good of the consumers and the state, would it not?

OMG, you are soooo right. Market forces be DAMNED!For that matter, lets pass laws so that only one restaurant for 25 miles can serve steaks! I'm sure the prices for steak will go DOWN DOWN DOWN! And with all that lack of competition, I'm sure they will work just as hard to make sure those steaks are sizzlin good! YumThis has NOTHING to do with the consumer, and everything to do with consolidating resources for one school and protecting them from the other growing universities in the state. If that isn't evident, let me just ask a question. Why, you, who so obviously are in the court of the university which you have nicknamed "the flagship" so for this, if it doesn't benefit "the flagship"? After debating politics for years, I am quite adept at recognizing 'justifications' and 'rationalizations' of people's positions, so don't repeat the whole "Its better for everyone" bullshit again. Its obvious you are so intent on this whole thing that you would sign up here just to propagandize the hell out of it, and I must ask WHY? Why is it so important to you, if your school is so great and such a "flagship" if it's not to protect it from competition?

Please. The man's a clown. In one minute, he arrogantly boasts about "setting the pace" for the Governor's higher education system and in the next takes a childish cheap shot at the university that Strickland and Fingerhut have already formally designated as the system's "flagship." Considering that Fingerhut personally helped recruit Gordon Gee to leave Vanderbilt and take a 300K paycut to come back to Ohio State, who do you think is going to "set the pace" on these changes?Proenza represents the tired and failed higher education policies of the Jim Rhodes era where every university felt free to try and turn itself into a mini-Ohio State. That's why Ohio funds 9 Ph.D programs in history (despite 6 of them being ranked in the bottom third nationally), why Ohio funds 5 law schools (despite being a huge annual net exporter of law school graduates), why Ohio funds 6 medical schools (more than California). While Ohio State has pretty much laid those policies to rest over the last quarter century, their last, lingering vestiges are about to formally be snuffed out by Ted Strickland and Eric Fingerhut.Akron is not, nor will it ever be, Ohio State. Care to compare undergraduate admissions? Undergraduate rankings? Association of American Universities membership? Graduate rankings? indicators of faculty quality such as National Academy members and Guggenheim Fellows? Proenza can spout his delusional "no quality differences" schtick all he wants, but he only makes himself look foolish. Wow, so what you are saying is, let's just pack it in. Right?Give up and bow down to cowtown U!And here, we were talking (in another thread) how Akron Mayor is worried about his future relevance in this city, when it looks like his fears may be correct, because all you gotta do is look at Cowlumbus. Not only is that school affecting the politics of the city, they obviously have designs on squashing competition from the rest of the state.What are you guys afraid of?Not only is fungerhut an "anti-competition" nutjob, but now Strickland too.

can we go back to bashing Can't? There isn't as much crow involved in that

I have no problem covering the pro sports teams twenty odd miles to the north.I have no problem with a writer who only covers pro sports teams.But I agree, it's beyond negligent to poorly and scarcely cover the local University, you'd virtually have to consciously conspire not to.

Lets see what happens on game day. If the primo seats are sparse, then you are right. But even if they are, I can still get in the heads of the people who run the Patriot bowl, and I know they wont care. Akron (and for that matter, Army) season ticket holders already paid for their tickets, and the patriot bowl gains nothing from them except concession sales. Why take away the chance to sell expensive seats to others, even if it means only half of them have sold?

little joey likes to stir the pot

wait... if you are a season ticket holder (for the UofA) and this isnt' a UA home game, then obviously they aren't going to throw us in the best seats. They just don't think like that. Why should we give away sold seats when we can sell them?

Nothing against Don in particular, but in general, perhaps this is what happens when you have someone installed in power for decades.

lol, what did you expect?"Oh noez! Akron is coming! Run for your lives! Save yourselves!"It wasn't too bad. I actually think that he wasn't trying for backhanded compliments. I think his motive was to try to make the game seem slightly more interesting to OSU fans than just "ho hum, a MAC team..."

I like Zen's too! thanx, but they wouldn't like because it doesn't have the gold in it, but I think since 'mech-roo' would be like a character offshoot of zippy (distinct, obviously), and perhaps having more masculine and perhaps darker qualities, it doesn't need the gold.Red eyes? As in terminator? Cyberdine systems z-1000 mech-roo

lol, I mean, WTH, we got NFL quality indoor practice facility.... :PI don't see it happening, unless fawcett is physically unable to host a game.

kron-domeI think we need a leap-of-faith somewhere in this process.I mean, we are hoping to have a long string of winning seasonsand we are hoping for attendance to pick up and stay up each seasonand if any link in those years breaks, the whole chain breaks, and you start over.This basically means, no arena.No arena without a leap of faith.The University and the City have to put faith in "build it and they will come".It's a tough one. I dunno if I would wanna sink my loot into it, but that's the beauty of public money.Anyway, I think attendance at the new football stadium will be a good clue.

fill it in *shrugs*

it's alright.I think they should use my mech-roo design though.

As someone who used to lift weights in the hot humid air behind the bleachers in the natatorium using sweaty rusty iron weights, that new rec-fitness center makes me extremely jealous.

I disagreed when this topic came up last time, and I still do.Why should I go to Miami for engineering?I heard akron has a pretty damned good engineering school as well. In particular, I've heard a good stuff regarding the automotive realm of engineering. I don't know specifics about it, but I ask again, why should I have to go to Miami?But more important then that, I believe very very strongly in competition. It may not happen immediately, but programs that have no competition in the state will grow complacent. They will not have to worry about performance or losing students to competing schools with competing programs, and they wont have to worry about losing state funds.