GP1

I would never say something like this. Teams get enough practice. We need to make more shots when they are presented to score more. It's about team performance during a game.

ESPN is reporting Pryor showed up to tOSU football complex today in a new car with a temp tag on it. Either he isn't coming back to school, or he is the most stupid person in the world. Listen and listen good. That tat shop is going to be baby poop compared to the car dealership issues that are still waiting to be examined.

Worse than we sabotage our own program? This is unrelated to zen's post, but a guy who wrote an article for SI yesterday was asked if it is possible to win at the highest levels of college football without cheating, and he said no. Even Boise State of all schools was hit with NCAA penalties this year for problems there. I think on a lot of levels he is right. The NCAA is out of control to the point they can't get it back under control. They need change and fast. tOSU was too good for too long not to be cheating.

Do you guys think if I wrote an article about Tressel titled, "Stupid Guy Gets Caught Doing Something Stupid" it would get published? Am I the only one who thinks the guy is really stupid to have something this bad happen and try to cover it up?

Me too. It just goes to show, most people want it one way, but it's normally the other way.

The narcotics staff at Akron PD isn't large enough to handle the volume.

Why can't you believe it? When Tressel was at YSU, the same thing was going on the AD had no idea.......What?.....He what?.....Really?.......OK, Tressel was the AD at YSU when his problems happened there as well. Where was the compliance department? Probably filling out NCAA forms that have nothing to do with compliance. The life of a compliance officer is similar to that of a guy who works middle management at a large company for 40 years. On his last day, he is given a golden eagle (frequently called giving him the bird) and he is sent on his way. 40 years for nothing. That's the life of a compliance officer.

I had no idea Andy Staples was Captain Kangaroo. Article

You're not kidding. And hope is going to get squashed by the NCAA.

That's a lot of people gambling. I think it is more related to community support and actually asking for community support.

WARNING: The above statement is an example of the "building" mentality killing the Zips. We have been investing. There are no results. If there is football, they won't try? Amazing. I guess after waiting 20+ years for something to happen, what would another 20 years be while we wait and see?

There are doing this for one reason, to raise cash! And NO it would not work here on a large scale. Would the Die Hards pay? Of course, but must fans are too cheap to "pay, just to pay" Doing it to raise cash? EXACTLY! That's the purpose of the Marketing Department, Development Staff and the entire reason for selling tickets. If we can't do things like this here at Akron, we don't belong in Division I-A football. I hate to keep bringing up UNCC (I really didn't notice them until my wife pointed out their internet marketing of PSLs), but all they really have (they have other sports that nobody pays attention to) is a basketball team and a I-AA football team that won't be on the field until 2013. This link takes you to their Foundation site. They raised $64,000 in ONE golf outing. It takes us two to reach that dollar limit. They raised $90,000 at a womens lunch. They raised $200,000 at their Gold Rush Auction. We can do things like this, we just don't even try. Step one: Put a winner on the field.

Because any effort spent on getting him to Akron is a waste of time.

I hear this question a lot. It doesn't make a difference or not if it goes on at even one other place. Tressel has a history of breaking the rules. He was caught and lied to his boss and caused his boss to be untruthful to his boss. The culture of corruption he created at tOSU is going to cost that school millions of dollars....including his buyout. I have a relative who is close to the tOSU program and very close to a couple of starters. We talked this morning. The car dealership is a HUGE problem and when that poop hits the fan, it is going to make tatgate look tame. This entire story is just getting going. I wish Dave in Green would report on this real story instead of the uninteresting Auburn/State of Alabama story. There are real dots to be connected in the tOSU story.

sorry Johnny but I can't side with you on this one. he did request to have his suspensions extended to match the players. Maybe he was hoping the extended suspension would cover up his lies.

seriously GP1? someone lost their job today and this is how you're gonna act about it? Yes, he made a mistake, but for the most part he was a stand up individual. Why don't you set your OSU jealousy aside for a little bit and show some class. This is one giant jealousy circus and you sir are the ring leader. You make it sound like he "lost his job" at some factory because of the slow economic times. Just some poor middle class guy who will struggle while he looks for another job. He didn't lose his job, he resigned in disgrace because he built a dirty football program. The depth of how dirty the program was hasn't even been revealed yet. Mistake means one. He ran a dirty program at YSU and continued from day 1 at tOSU starting with MoC, followed by Troy Smith and now Tatgate. Now we all are going to have to listen to how he was a "really good person". Tressel is just another college football coach and is as dirty as the next. There is nothing special about the guy. All the tainted wins aginst Michigan, the national championship, the Big Ten championships don't look so good now. Tressel can go coach a positon in the NFL next year in a second. Guys do it all the time. Cooper went to work as a consultant for the Bengals when he was fired. Tressel could work for a lot of NFL teams next year.

This is how you treat the community and small business owners who could buy tickets to your events. I belong to an organization that has nine meetings a year on various topics in the construction industry. I'm in charge of putting together the dinner presentations next year. After our discussion last week, the idea of having the AD at UNCC speak on the planning of the new stadium. On Saturday morning at 8:46, I sent the note below to the Athletic Director UNCC: Dear Judy, I am writing on behalf of the Charlotte Chapter of the Construction Specifications Institute. We are a Professional organization in the construction industry. Our members are the architects, specification writers, contractors and manufacturer's representative that work together to build structures in Charlotte. We are currently planning our membership meetings for the Fall of 2011 and Spring of 2012. At each meeting, we have a dinner presentation relevant to something interesting going on around Charlotte. I believe the development of a football team along with building a new stadium would be of interest to this group. The presentation would be to 40-60 professionals and would last 40-50 minutes leaving time for questions. Would you or someone from your office be interested in speaking to our members about your new football stadium and some of the planning that went on around this new structure? At 9:22, the following note came back: We would be happy to present. I assume you want one of the architects,general contractor and myself. What dates are available and where do you meet? Organizations like I belong to struggle to get speakers to come to dinners. There will be 10 owners of large architectural firms around Charlotte at this one meeting. There will be many people interested in sports and many UNCC graduates of their Architecture Department at the meeting. The AD at UNCC knows how valuable these types of meetings are and will come herself and make her architect and general contractor come as well. She responded in less than 45 minutes. That's how you treat the community. That's how you sell PSLs. That's how you have a successful program two years out from even having a team. She's coming to the meeting herself, not having a low level employee do the speaking. The UofA grad in me even gave here the option of sending an employee of her department thinking she wouldn't do it herself. You guys say it can't be done. I say it can be done. Gaining public support is the most important thing Akron could do right now. We built a new factory (InfoCision Stadium). You have to use the factory to make money or the factory was a waste of money to build. If we could just get that darn team fixed....

Since we never tried, how would we know? UNCC is selling something. They are selling a I-AA football program that doesn't even exist scheduled to play in a bad conference, in a major city that shows little to no interest in any sport other than NASCAR. All they have is a new coach, a new stadium and an AD who is working her ass off to get the program going. If we can't do this type of marketing in Akron, everything I have ever said about UofA not belonging in D-IA is true.

People are paying these prices at UNCC just to have a seat for a team that doesn't even have any players yet.

I believe we could have done something like this. We never try. Chapel Hill is two hours away. Duke is two hours away. NC State is two hours away. USC is 1.5 hours away. Maybe they haven't been brainwashed for college football, but they have been for college basketball. UNCC struggles with alumni support the same way Akron does. The student and alumni culture at UNCC and Akron are the same. Keep in mind. The school is still two years away from having a team.

Goodbye scumbag..

Link Since we are on the topic of marketing and the need to look at what others are doing to market their programs, I have to ask if Akron ever had anything like the above link when they built the Big Dialer? Could they have done something like this at Akron? UNCC is starting a football program in 2013. They will be I-AA. They are building a new stadium. See the link for purchasing a seat license. Could they have ever done this in Akron and did they even try? Look at the three boxes at the bottom and look at the one on the far right where they list those who have purchased PSLs. It's an impressive list. That many people purchased PSLs already for a team that won't exist until 2013. UNCC is doing everything right in starting a football program. Akron has done mostly everything wrong since 1987. A successful program requires more than just a good AD. You have to have money coming in from the community. Public support, not just corporate support, is a must. I'd say by the list on that web site, they are getting plenty of support from the community. Akron is a much better school than UNCC in every way you could look at a school. Both are urban schools with a large commuter population. UNCC is an ugly campus...actually looks a lot like Can't State. Akron has a very nice increasingly modern looking campus. Allow yourself to look at other ideas.

It hasn't worked yet. My father was a really smart country doctor and he understood people well. He always said that if a cat and a person walked into a glass door, the cat would never run into it again. At some point, the person would walk into the door again because we never learn our lessons. That's what I think about the golf outing. I once heard that the expenses for the Athletic Department were $10,000,000+ (seems sort of high, but that's what I heard). $30,000 (if that is the real net) is 0.3% of that total. That golf outing is the least of their problems. They should be able to secure those corporate sponsorships by other means. Corporations support local causes many times out of a sense of local responsibility. The money would continue to come in with or without a golf outing. The people at InfoCision aren't going to stop supporting UofA because they can't go golfing for a day. The local hospital (can't think of the name) is going to support UofA regardless of a golf outing or not. People want to feel like they know a sports team or have a personal connection with a team. I believe reaching out to the local population on a more personal level, not asking 150 people to tell some of their friend to tell some of their friends, is the key to expanding revenues at UofA. There are many local business owners attending Rotary, Chamber of Commerce, etc. There are many more small and midsize businesses than the Goodyears of the world. Not all of them can or want to attend a golf outing. For example, KD is a well know/liked person around Akron. Coached at St. V, LeBron's coach and extremely successful coach at UofA. He is a person a lot of people around NE Ohio would recognize in a photo. While he is from Akron and probably knows a lot of people in the City, in the large picture, it is probably an extremely small part of the population. I think a lot of people would get a kick out of meeting the guy who coached LeBron and has been on national TV coaching in the NCAA Tournament. These people would respond well to his appeal to support the school by purchasing tickets. Let's do some math. KD speaks at the Akron Chamber of Commerce (probably a large group). While there, 60 business owners decide to buy ten of the 10 pack packages they are selling at $100 each. That's $60,000. They can give those tickets away to customers. We haven't even added up parking, concessions and possible Z-Fund donations. A little better than the rumored $30,000 at the golf outing. That's only one day. Send Coach I and Coach Kest out to do the same thing. They wouldn't get the same personal response as KD, but people would still be interested in them and there would be some response. Capt., you ask me to have an open mind. Getting away from Akron did open my mind and in my opinion, I have the most open mind on this board about what we could do better. I used to have a lot of the same ideas about what Akron should be doing as you do. The difference is, I've gotten away from it and have seen what other schools do well. Time has passed a lot of the opinions on this board by. Wake Forest tours their football and M&W BB coaches around on a regular speaking tour every summer. They sell 30,000 season tickets a year to what has become a bad football team..the same can be said about their MBB team as well only the word terrible/horrid would be used. Yes, they have a golf outing. They also have a ladies football day (great idea and I'm glad UofA is doing the same thing), tennis match and BBQ. They make is so lots of people can touch the program without going to a golf outing. Better yet, they get donations at all of these events. So put that in your pipe and smoke it. I roll my eyes when I read your marketing ideas the same way Zips Watcher may roll his eyes at my basketball opinions. It amazes me a company would put you in charge of ANY sales and marketing efforts. A golf outing in the desert...please. Go out and get some new clients. I had promotions in sales/marketing roles at two Fortune 100 companies in my life. One was to manage the product line that drove 75% of all profit dollars for a Berkshire Hathaway company. During this economic downturn, I started my own business and increased sales for the companies I represent in excess of 47% in some cases. How were your sales the past 2-3 years? You stick to what you think you know, and I'll stick to what I know I know. To you Capt. and everyone else on the board, I say have a nice weekend, remember the fallen on Memorial Day and God Bless America. Edit:...Why aren't we doing things like this? Golf outing? Please.....

Maybe you are wrong? They never try.

This story just keeps getting better and better. His crooked lawyer knows Mr. Rogers.......I mean Jim Tressel. I wonder if the Tatgate five or six is going to turn into the Tatgate Twenty?.?.?.