Chris Jacquemain's play is obviously suspect...who else do we have?

[Dr Z]

:blink: if it was ONLY one bad game...its been every game against a good opponent...

EVERY? Every as in THREE? Out of those three, one is ranked in the top 25 and the other two are receiving votes to be in the top 25!?!CJ has a 124.47 QB rating, which will be higher when his targets quit volleying up INTs for him. He is also 20th in the nation in TD passes.Is he perfect? No, but I'm not sure he deserves as many critical posts as he receives.On the UA seasonal lists, Jacquemain’s 1,457 yards is 15th. His 124 completions is 13th on the UA single-season list. He has been right around the 60 percent completion range all season. Currently, Charlie Frye is the only UA quarterback to complete over 60 percent of his passes in a season, a feat he accomplished in 2002 (65,8), 2003 (64.8) and 2004 (63.6).At this rate, Jacquemain will join the two other UA quarterbacks under head coach J.D. Brookhart (all-time leader Charlie Frye and second-place Luke Getsy) on the top of the UA all-time passing lists.

[Blue & Gold]

Are Wagner and Patterson still with the team? I thought one or both of them either transferred or quit football to concentrate on academics. After Jacq., there is Matt Rodgers and Jordan Miller. I thought I saw another QB with the team that I didn't notice before. I think he wears #2 and his name was like Wackerly or something like that. I'll have to check but those are the ones I know and I thought Wagner and Patterson aren't on the team.

I noticed him being on the roster as well. He's Brett Wackerly from North Canton Hoover. He was a very, very good high school QB, but he'll never step foot on the field @ this level. JD's probably not even using him much on the practice squad. It's nice that he walked on and made the team though; that's gotta be a lot of fun for him! If he's concerned with playing time though, he'll have to transfer to Mount, Walsh or Malone... or Can't next year!

[Hilltopper]

Both Wagner and Patterson are gone. Wagner transferred to ashland i believe.

Wagner transferred to Walsh.

[RootforRoo44]

So included in this discussion of bashing Jacq are we going to include the many, many, many balls that are dropped by the receivers. Bowser makes great catches, but misses about half of them that are thrown to him. Two interceptions yesterday bounced off of receivers hands. But this board is right -- Jacq is the problem. How about the pass that Cruz missed -- that kid should have been on the bench the rest of the game after that one. I'm not saying Jacq is the best quarterback I've seen, but the wide receivers and Joe Moorehead should all be under equal scrutinty.

AMEN, at the game Saturday is was getting a bit annoyed with the "we want rogers" chants. When receivers start catching the balls that Chris throws them and he still gets as many incompletions and INT's, then i will be worried. He has looked fairly good overall and has been hurt by awful handed receivers.

[bigzipguy]

CJ's play definitely needs to improve. It does not help that he gets nervous due to the high snaps. But that is understandable. The loss of Alex Allen has hurt our running terribly. Kennedy is strictly a between the tackles runner. A good running game , always of course, helps to put a QB's mind at ease. Don't know how much the eventual return of Johnson will help.

[Lee Adams]

For the past two years on offense, and the past 5 years on defense, I've noticed one consistent thing: the playcalling and schemes aren't set up to take of advantage of the talent we have on the field. We're running plays designed for player types we just don't have. Or maybe we do have players that fit the required style but the ball goes to someone else who is expected to perform just as well with a different skill set.JD needs to sit down with his coordinators and position coaches and draw up some stuff that takes advantage of our players' talents. No running sideways with a RB who does best in between the tackles. No passing behind the line of scrimmage to WRs who are best used as deep threats. No more using our great DL guys in a scheme that they aren't suited for. And for the love of all that is good, NO MORE HIGH SNAPS.

JD...VERTICAL NOT HORIZONTAL...

[GP1]

:blink: if it was ONLY one bad game...its been every game against a good opponent...

EVERY? Every as in THREE? Out of those three, one is ranked in the top 25 and the other two are receiving votes to be in the top 25!?!CJ has a 124.47 QB rating, which will be higher when his targets quit volleying up INTs for him. He is also 20th in the nation in TD passes.Is he perfect? No, but I'm not sure he deserves as many critical posts as he receives.On the UA seasonal lists, Jacquemain’s 1,457 yards is 15th. His 124 completions is 13th on the UA single-season list. He has been right around the 60 percent completion range all season. Currently, Charlie Frye is the only UA quarterback to complete over 60 percent of his passes in a season, a feat he accomplished in 2002 (65,8), 2003 (64.8) and 2004 (63.6).At this rate, Jacquemain will join the two other UA quarterbacks under head coach J.D. Brookhart (all-time leader Charlie Frye and second-place Luke Getsy) on the top of the UA all-time passing lists.

Once again, DrZ proves himself to be one of the most underrated and top posters on this board. He has a great understanding of football that only a Steelers fan (well, maybe anyone but a Browns fan) can bring to the board.This post alone should have put an end to the argument. Jacq does his share of stupid things, but the results are there this year.

[ZippyTuba11]

Once again, DrZ proves himself to be one of the most underrated and top posters on this board. He has a great understanding of football that only a Steelers fan (well, maybe anyone but a Browns fan) can bring to the board.This post alone should have put an end to the argument. Jacq does his share of stupid things, but the results are there this year.

The results are there? Frye was a much better quarterback and still never got us that MAC championship or even a bowl game. Getsy only got us there as a fluke (as much as I loved being there cheering on the Zips, we really lucked out getting to the MACC beating the three way tie-breaker against Miami and BG). Just because these quarterbacks can complete a lot of short yard passes doesn't mean they are any good. Those are the passes that should be gimmes. How many times has he actually been even -close- on a pass over 15 yards? How many times does he stare at only one receiver the whole play? If these things continue to happen, he is going to be eaten alive by good defenses. Last year he only won 4 games, threw 10 INTs and 11 TDs. This year he managed so far to beat three of the worst teams in football. He's already given up 9 INTs (his fault or not doesn't matter) and has been sacked 11 times. His rating against Ball St. was 88.4 as he gave up 4 INTs that game alone. He has been lucky so far in that Can't st sucks as bad as army and syracuse, but if he continues to get sacked and throw INTs, Blowing Green and company are going to run all over us.

[GP1]

Once again, DrZ proves himself to be one of the most underrated and top posters on this board. He has a great understanding of football that only a Steelers fan (well, maybe anyone but a Browns fan) can bring to the board.This post alone should have put an end to the argument. Jacq does his share of stupid things, but the results are there this year.

The results are there? Getsy only got us there as a fluke (as much as I loved being there cheering on the Zips, we really lucked out getting to the MACC beating the three way tie-breaker against Miami and BG). He has been lucky so far in that Can't st sucks as bad as army and syracuse, but if he continues to get sacked and throw INTs, Blowing Green and company are going to run all over us.

Yes, the results are there. Please see DrZ's post. In addition to DrZ's post, 3-3 is much better than I think anyone expected. How many more wins would this team have with either Frye or Getsy? One, maybe....What happened when Getsy got to the MACC? Why is the addiction for losing so great on this board that nobody can seem to remember that Getsy probably played the greatest second half of QB in school history in the biggest game in school history and actually won the game?

[ZippyTuba11]

Yes, the results are there. Please see DrZ's post. In addition to DrZ's post, 3-3 is much better than I think anyone expected. How many more wins would this team have with either Frye or Getsy? One, maybe....What happened when Getsy got to the MACC? Why is the addiction for losing so great on this board that nobody can seem to remember that Getsy probably played the greatest second half of QB in school history in the biggest game in school history and actually won the game?

I don't know about you, but I expected 4-2 at this point. One of the teams we beat is on the top 10 worst teams in FB. Another is on the waiting list. Army is just Army and there is never a good excuse for a loss to them. Cincinnati is a beatable team and I really thought the Zips would have come out with a W after that one (we should have too as we outplayed them). Getsy may have played his best game in the second half of the MACC but the games preceding and the game that followed were far cries from that half. It doesn't matter how many yards he can put up in a game if they don't get the team anywhere.So no, I argue the results are not there. Up to this point, Jacq has done just enough to not be horrible. He may be able to throw a lot of short passes that start to add up for a lot of yards, but he has a very tough time going for a knockout punch. The mistakes are consistent and aggravating. Now we still have a lot of football left on the schedule, and a lot of time for Jacq to fix the stupid mistakes and actually play well consistently. However, he has not shown so far that he can make those changes. I hope I am wrong, but ignoring what's there won't make the problems go away.

[Dr Z]

For the record. Jacquemain's long pass reception in each game this year is 26, 33, 34, 49, 39, 29 respectively.Did you ever see that graphic they do in NFL football? The one where they show where a QB throws. Left, right and middle. Before 15 yards or beyond 15 yard and past 50. That would be cool to see with CJ compared to other QB's in the MAC.

[MDZip]

There are a ton of really interesting statistics at the NCCA web site:http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/mainpage.jspIt shows Jacq at 64th in passing efficiency and 40th in total offense. That's really not that bad, but its good that our expectations are to the point that that is not good enough. Still a heck of a lot better than last year. Also, to show how statistics can get skewed, would anyone have guessed Syracuse is tied for the national lead in Red Zone efficiency at 100%? They have only gotten in there 12 times (compared to our 24) but they have 8 touchdowns and 4 field goals. I never would have guessed that one.

[johnnyzip84]

There are a ton of really interesting statistics at the NCCA web site:http://web1.ncaa.org/mfb/mainpage.jspIt shows Jacq at 64th in passing efficiency and 40th in total offense. That's really not that bad, but its good that our expectations are to the point that that is not good enough. Still a heck of a lot better than last year. Also, to show how statistics can get skewed, would anyone have guessed Syracuse is tied for the national lead in Red Zone efficiency at 100%? They have only gotten in there 12 times (compared to our 24) but they have 8 touchdowns and 4 field goals. I never would have guessed that one.

Nice find. OK, let's start the chant now.....WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1, WE'RE #1!!Fumbles Recovered

[Lee Adams]

:blink: if it was ONLY one bad game...its been every game against a good opponent...

EVERY? Every as in THREE? Out of those three, one is ranked in the top 25 and the other two are receiving votes to be in the top 25!?!CJ has a 124.47 QB rating, which will be higher when his targets quit volleying up INTs for him. He is also 20th in the nation in TD passes.Is he perfect? No, but I'm not sure he deserves as many critical posts as he receives.On the UA seasonal lists, Jacquemain’s 1,457 yards is 15th. His 124 completions is 13th on the UA single-season list. He has been right around the 60 percent completion range all season. Currently, Charlie Frye is the only UA quarterback to complete over 60 percent of his passes in a season, a feat he accomplished in 2002 (65,8), 2003 (64.8) and 2004 (63.6).At this rate, Jacquemain will join the two other UA quarterbacks under head coach J.D. Brookhart (all-time leader Charlie Frye and second-place Luke Getsy) on the top of the UA all-time passing lists.

Once again, DrZ proves himself to be one of the most underrated and top posters on this board. He has a great understanding of football that only a Steelers fan (well, maybe anyone but a Browns fan) can bring to the board.This post alone should have put an end to the argument. Jacq does his share of stupid things, but the results are there this year.

forgot about last year? uh...he is a 'product'of the system he is in...there's nothing wrong with dink and dunk...when it works...but like Charley and even Getsy, sometimes the QB HAS to take over a game and not just be the 11th man on the field..ya Dr. Z can read...so can you...when these guys win with Jacquemain...not 4-8, 5-7...wellyou know the drill, then you can talk about 'results'...

[Lee Adams]

:blink: if it was ONLY one bad game...its been every game against a good opponent...

EVERY? Every as in THREE? Out of those three, one is ranked in the top 25 and the other two are receiving votes to be in the top 25!?!CJ has a 124.47 QB rating, which will be higher when his targets quit volleying up INTs for him. He is also 20th in the nation in TD passes.Is he perfect? No, but I'm not sure he deserves as many critical posts as he receives.On the UA seasonal lists, Jacquemain’s 1,457 yards is 15th. His 124 completions is 13th on the UA single-season list. He has been right around the 60 percent completion range all season. Currently, Charlie Frye is the only UA quarterback to complete over 60 percent of his passes in a season, a feat he accomplished in 2002 (65,8), 2003 (64.8) and 2004 (63.6).At this rate, Jacquemain will join the two other UA quarterbacks under head coach J.D. Brookhart (all-time leader Charlie Frye and second-place Luke Getsy) on the top of the UA all-time passing lists.

Once again, DrZ proves himself to be one of the most underrated and top posters on this board. He has a great understanding of football that only a Steelers fan (well, maybe anyone but a Browns fan) can bring to the board.This post alone should have put an end to the argument. Jacq does his share of stupid things, but the results are there this year.

that TD to PICK ratio...if we are talking numbers here...before we talk about the 'tipped' balls that should have been caught lets remember the spectacular catches that receivers make on bad throws...call it a wash over a couple of years?