Getting hosed by the refs

[akronzips71]

No way around it, we are on the wrong end of horrible calls. This sucks.

[bUAkronG]

No doubt. Someone needs to put Freeman on his ass on a screen this half. And hopefully Cooper isn't allowed his forearm shiver either.

[OZoner]

Refs really calling this loosely. I'm surprised.

[zipzippy]

That was the most homered game I have ever witnessed in my life that is a disgrace I can not believe these guys are allowed to be division one refs the ncaa needs to look into this one that was absolutely disgusting. Great job to the Mac office now you can witness Ohio getting blown out by 40 instead of sending a team who can compete at a high level.

[Zipsrifle]

We aren't going to start this again are we? We lost the game, not the refs. We were playing from behind the entire time and OU did what they had to. Congrats to OU.

[zvillezip]

The refs let them play all game long. I did not see any favoritism. I think there were a lot of fouls left uncalled in both directions. Bassett and Cooper got away with several pushoffs but Conyers also got away with a couple pushes. It all evened out in the end. Ohio had the dominant guards and that is what won the game for them. Congrats to Ohio on a well played tournament.Congrats to the Zips on another fine season.

[akronzips71]

We aren't going to start this again are we? We lost the game, not the refs. We were playing from behind the entire time and OU did what they had to. Congrats to OU.

At the end B McKnight was being held as he slashed across and they called a foul on US!I call BULLSHIT

[GJGood]

I thought there were some questionable calls as there are in every game. Maybe more of those calls went Ohio's way than Akron's but still I didn't think it was anything like the quarterfinal against EMU.The most frustrating part about the officiating we saw in this tourney to me was how in the first two games they were calling everything as a foul and then they did an about face in the title game. I would like to see some more consistency than that.

[Quickzips]

If complaining about the refs makes you feel better, than go for it, but the refs didn't lose that game for us. There were a lot of bad no calls, but they went both ways. The refs easily could have made this into a free throw shooting contest where the Zips would have probably lost in regulation by double digits. They didn't. Those of us in attendance, and those of you watching on the TV got to see a pretty exciting basketball game where the refs really weren't the center of attention, and at the end of the day that is really all we can ask for with this conference.

[Let'sGoZips94]

I'm not saying it was the refs' fault, but they definitely helped O-Who. We did get calls at the end when it mattered, but couldn't use it to our advantage. Oh well, O-Who vs. Akron for years to come, just you watch.

[UAZip0510]

If complaining about the refs makes you feel better, than go for it, but the refs didn't lose that game for us. There were a lot of bad no calls, but they went both ways. The refs easily could have made this into a free throw shooting contest where the Zips would have probably lost in regulation by double digits. They didn't. Those of us in attendance, and those of you watching on the TV got to see a pretty exciting basketball game where the refs really weren't the center of attention, and at the end of the day that is really all we can ask for with this conference.

Except that they directly impact the outcomes of games, like tonight.MAC officiating is beyond terrible. It isn't fixed, it's just THAT bad. And it's got to get better if this conference is ever going to be taken seriously.

[Dave in Green]

I thought there were some questionable calls as there are in every game. Maybe more of those calls went Ohio's way than Akron's but still I didn't think it was anything like the quarterfinal against EMU.The most frustrating part about the officiating we saw in this tourney to me was how in the first two games they were calling everything as a foul and then they did an about face in the title game. I would like to see some more consistency than that.

The officiating in the Zips' first game was horrible. But the officiating both yesterday and today was OK. There were a couple of calls against the Zips tonight that I really didn't like. But I also thought the Zips got a couple of good calls that could have easily gone the other way. I appreciate that both yesterday and today the refs did not call many cheap touch fouls, and kept the game under control without handcuffing the players.

[ZachTheZip]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

[Pedro]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

No there weren't. Not even close.

[RootforRoo44]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

No there weren't. Not even close.

There were at least five 3 second violations. That Van Kempen did one for 12 seconds the one time.What a joke of a contest. I dont even feel like we lost, we were SCREWED.

[Zips Supporter]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

I watched it on TV. Here were some calls I noticed that were bad.- The Roberts block on Van Kempen outside, he was definitely all ball and there was a late whistle. Play by play guys were surprised.- The Bassett driving layup that made it 61-57 and they called a foul on Conyers. He was backed away and they brushed jerseys, hardly enough contact for a foul. But because he fell to the ground, the refs bailed him out.- The loose ball foul on Chris McKnight where Van Kempen actually went over McKnight's back and brought him down.- The tangled up call with Cvetinovic and Van Kempen over a rebound, Van Kempen practically was pulling his right arm away.- The blocking foul on Conyers when he stepped out when Cooper was driving, should have been a no call based on the action in the game.I too noticed Ohio getting away with 3 seconds. Especially with Washington in the 2nd half, I know I saw at least 2 with him.All game long Ohio was getting away with those push offs on the dribble or away from the ball. That step back 3 by Bassett when he clearly pushed off on Roberts, can't believe that wasn't called. Cooper's 3 from the corner in the 1st half, pushed off on Steward, another no call. Dambrot kept pointing it out to the officials but was being ignored.Nothing compares to the EMU game. There was constant disruption of the flow of the game by the refs. They were calling touch fouls away from the ball, bump fouls way out front by the time line, moving screens that weren't even screens. The MAC refs need to get a clue. Officiating means keeping the game balanced and fair both ways. If you aren't going to call loose ball fouls all game long, don't start calling it on 1 team at the end and not the other. But that game tonight, Fouls- Akron 23, Ohio 15, FT's- Akron 14, Ohio 25. And Akron was in the bonus not even half way through the 2nd half. Give me a break.

[bUAkronG]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

I watched it on TV. Here were some calls I noticed that were bad.- The Roberts block on Van Kempen outside, he was definitely all ball and there was a late whistle. Play by play guys were surprised.- The Bassett driving layup that made it 61-57 and they called a foul on Conyers. He was backed away and they brushed jerseys, hardly enough contact for a foul. But because he fell to the ground, the refs bailed him out.- The loose ball foul on Chris McKnight where Van Kempen actually went over McKnight's back and brought him down.- The tangled up call with Cvetinovic and Van Kempen over a rebound, Van Kempen practically was pulling his right arm away.- The blocking foul on Conyers when he stepped out when Cooper was driving, should have been a no call based on the action in the game.I too noticed Ohio getting away with 3 seconds. Especially with Washington in the 2nd half, I know I saw at least 2 with him.All game long Ohio was getting away with those push offs on the dribble or away from the ball. That step back 3 by Bassett when he clearly pushed off on Roberts, can't believe that wasn't called. Cooper's 3 from the corner in the 1st half, pushed off on Steward, another no call. Dambrot kept pointing it out to the officials but was being ignored.Nothing compares to the EMU game. There was constant disruption of the flow of the game by the refs. They were calling touch fouls away from the ball, bump fouls way out front by the time line, moving screens that weren't even screens. The MAC refs need to get a clue. Officiating means keeping the game balanced and fair both ways. If you aren't going to call loose ball fouls all game long, don't start calling it on 1 team at the end and not the other. But that game tonight, Fouls- Akron 23, Ohio 15, FT's- Akron 14, Ohio 25. And Akron was in the bonus not even half way through the 2nd half. Give me a break.

+1 and if you look at the stats, although UA took more shots, the amount of baskets made were identical. you look at FT's and OU was 17-25 while UA was 11-14. There's your +6pts right there.

[RootforRoo44]

If complaining about the refs makes you feel better, than go for it, but the refs didn't lose that game for us. There were a lot of bad no calls, but they went both ways. The refs easily could have made this into a free throw shooting contest where the Zips would have probably lost in regulation by double digits. They didn't. Those of us in attendance, and those of you watching on the TV got to see a pretty exciting basketball game where the refs really weren't the center of attention, and at the end of the day that is really all we can ask for with this conference.

Except that they directly impact the outcomes of games, like tonight.MAC officiating is beyond terrible. It isn't fixed, it's just THAT bad. And it's got to get better if this conference is ever going to be taken seriously.

It's shocking to me that some Zips fans have the nerve to say that the calls today were alright or even good.They were terrible, and some of the calls cost us HUGE possessions and gave them HUGE points in the later parts of the game.

[Zipmeister]

What do you call a bunch of Zip fans who get together to complain about referees and eat brie?A whine and cheese party.

[Dr Z]

What do you call a bunch of Zip fans who get together to complain about referees and eat brie? A whine and cheese party.

I'll give 'Zips Supporter' credit, his party is organized.

[mivid12]

What do you call a bunch of Zip fans who get together to complain about referees and eat brie? A whine and cheese party.

I'll give 'Zips Supporter' credit, his party is organized.

the officials sucked no doubt, Ohio was in the bonus in the 2nd half with 11+ left ...however 8-30 from 3pt land won't help either....this garbage about the gonzaga of the east is laughable...this team COULD have had 4 straight ncaa appearances...JC it's hard enough to get to the MAC title game, but in classic akron fashion let's set the record for most championship game loses...i'm still pissed

[bUAkronG]

What do you call a bunch of Zip fans who get together to complain about referees and eat brie? A whine and cheese party.

I'll give 'Zips Supporter' credit, his party is organized.

the officials sucked no doubt, Ohio was in the bonus in the 2nd half with 11+ left ...however 8-30 from 3pt land won't help either....this garbage about the gonzaga of the east is laughable...this team COULD have had 4 straight ncaa appearances...JC it's hard enough to get to the MAC title game, but in classic akron fashion let's set the record for most championship game loses...i'm still pissed

agreed but I swear it is always the same thing when we lose. "Well the refs sucked, but our shooting percentage was terrible." I'm starting to think, after that game last night, there is some correlation. when we took the ball strong to the hoop, we got mauled with no call, yet OU continuously drove to the hole and got calls a lot of the time. we were forced to take jumpshots. Also, when you are playing great defense, setting a perfect double team, and your opponenet drags his foot about 5 feet right in front of the ref with no call, it's got to take the wind out of your sails a bit.ref's don't win or lose the game, but very poor officiating can really affect a game.

[GP1]

I too noticed Ohio getting away with 3 seconds. Especially with Washington in the 2nd half, I know I saw at least 2 with him.But that game tonight, Fouls- Akron 23, Ohio 15, FT's- Akron 14, Ohio 25. And Akron was in the bonus not even half way through the 2nd half. Give me a break.

I'm surprised someone would pay to watch a basketball game and focus on how long a player is spending in the lane. I don't think I saw a single three second call all year in college basketball. Enjoy the game.The number of fouls called is always a funny fan argument to me. Are the refs supposed to keep track of the number of fouls called and make certain an equal number called on each team? Maybe if they don't foul, they won't get called for fouls.

[Zips Win!]

There were at least 7 3-second violation no-calls for OU. I'm not talking about the kind where they're in there for 4 seconds and get out, I'm talking about 6+ seconds in the paint just standing under the basket.

I watched it on TV. Here were some calls I noticed that were bad.

- The Roberts block on Van Kempen outside, he was definitely all ball and there was a late whistle. Play by play guys were surprised.

- The Bassett driving layup that made it 61-57 and they called a foul on Conyers. He was backed away and they brushed jerseys, hardly enough contact for a foul. But because he fell to the ground, the refs bailed him out.

- The loose ball foul on Chris McKnight where Van Kempen actually went over McKnight's back and brought him down.

- The tangled up call with Cvetinovic and Van Kempen over a rebound, Van Kempen practically was pulling his right arm away.

- The blocking foul on Conyers when he stepped out when Cooper was driving, should have been a no call based on the action in the game.

I rewatched the last 5 min of regulation. I agree -numerous calls against us. We were fortunate that McNees got us to OT.

[RootforRoo44]

What do you call a bunch of Zip fans who get together to complain about referees and eat brie? A whine and cheese party.

I'll give 'Zips Supporter' credit, his party is organized.

the officials sucked no doubt, Ohio was in the bonus in the 2nd half with 11+ left ...however 8-30 from 3pt land won't help either....this garbage about the gonzaga of the east is laughable...

this team COULD have had 4 straight ncaa appearances...JC it's hard enough to get to the MAC title game, but in classic akron fashion let's set the record for most championship game loses...

i'm still pissed

agreed but I swear it is always the same thing when we lose. "Well the refs sucked, but our shooting percentage was terrible." I'm starting to think, after that game last night, there is some correlation. when we took the ball strong to the hoop, we got mauled with no call, yet OU continuously drove to the hole and got calls a lot of the time. we were forced to take jumpshots. Also, when you are playing great defense, setting a perfect double team, and your opponenet drags his foot about 5 feet right in front of the ref with no call, it's got to take the wind out of your sails a bit.

ref's don't win or lose the game, but very poor officiating can really affect a game.

The truth is, without the clock mess up against Miami in '07 we could have won.

Can't destroyed us in '08 regardless, but this year we were straight up shafted by the officials. I swore i was watching a womens game with all the no calls on the travels. Even more shocking is that this entire tournament they still were having so much trouble with starting and stopping the clock on time! It's just terrible how bad these guys are, and i think something needs to be done to at least attempt to get some decent officials out there.