Torrence gone

[ZachTheZip]

Torrence and Wackerly to transfer

One more scholarship opens. Too bad, I thought Torrence had far and away the most potential on the team.

[RootforRoo44]

Torrence and Wackerly to transfer

One more scholarship opens. Too bad, I thought Torrence had far and away the most potential on the team.

Awful news. I hope JD wasn't the one who ruined him by sitting him so much.

[cornbread]

Torrence and Wackerly to transfer

One more scholarship opens. Too bad, I thought Torrence had far and away the most potential on the team.

Awful news. I hope JD wasn't the one who ruined him by sitting him so much.

The new coaches are not respecting anything that has happened in the past and are playing head games with some of the past starters(not referring to the above). I hated head games and that BS.

I hope things turn out well.

[zen]

Torrence and Wackerly to transfer

One more scholarship opens. Too bad, I thought Torrence had far and away the most potential on the team.

Awful news. I hope JD wasn't the one who ruined him by sitting him so much.

The new coaches are not respecting anything that has happened in the past and are playing head games with some of the past starters(not referring to the above). I hated head games and that BS.

I hope things turn out well.

head games?

Are you serious?

That's BS crap to do to anyone.

Maybe saying that they don't respect old starters is the same thing as putting everyone on the same level with a clean slate from another vantage point, but to intentionally mess with people is a completely different thing, and not how I would expect a quality program to be run.

Even if you didn't like a guy or thought he wasn't quality material by your standards, you man up and tell them. Women play mind games. That crap is petty

[Zip_ME87]

Sounds like typical Akron football. The one sport that seems to have the most money thrown at it, but has the most trouble making any progress. As always, I support our players...I hope this season is different and they really turn things around. Go Zips!

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

[RowdyZip]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

Right on. Coach Ianello said recently that he'll staying away from tape to discern his opinions on current players. These guys will have to show on the practice field where they should be on the depth chart. If they really want it, it should show on the field and then on the depth charts. Work hard, prove you deserve it, and you'll keep your place. Think you're entitled to that spot and don't show the effort? Ride the pine or take a trip to 1AA. GO ZIPS!

[Hilltopper]

Torrence and Wackerly to transfer

One more scholarship opens. Too bad, I thought Torrence had far and away the most potential on the team.

Awful news. I hope JD wasn't the one who ruined him by sitting him so much.

The new coaches are not respecting anything that has happened in the past and are playing head games with some of the past starters(not referring to the above). I hated head games and that BS.

I hope things turn out well.

head games?

Are you serious?

That's BS crap to do to anyone.

Maybe saying that they don't respect old starters is the same thing as putting everyone on the same level with a clean slate from another vantage point, but to intentionally mess with people is a completely different thing, and not how I would expect a quality program to be run.

Even if you didn't like a guy or thought he wasn't quality material by your standards, you man up and tell them. Women play mind games. That crap is petty

I think coach Kest had the right idea when she cleaned house a few years ago. If a player just wants to get by on what the old coaching staff told them, too bad. Those who don't want to get with the new program are welcome to leave.

[zipfan330]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

Well that's your view on how you feel about the situation, but I'm sorry to break it to you these are adults for the most part 20-22 year old sophmores and Juniors. They should be treated that way and for you to say that it doesn't matter what these young mean think or feel because they are young is unreal and not fair, young men or not they are still young adults if society and the university views them as adults and expects them to make adult choices then what they have to say is relevant to the situation. Torrence,Wackerly,Williams,Bice,Houser, Shuford and 2 other walkons I can't think of their names right now but all gone within a few weeks with more players contemplating, and talking to some of the upperclassmen they state there is no respect from the coaches on a personal level granted not many of the players have earned respect when it comes to the field but respect in general man to man is needed especially in college. You have to respect your players and they have to respect their coaches if coaches don't give respect they won't get it therefore the players won't play hard and from what I'm hearing from different people is there isn't any respect yet. Wackerly was basically told he had no chance to play and that his only duty at Akron would be scout team QB to tell any hard working player that is just asking for them to leave. And from what Scout.com is reporting Devoe torrence has been in contacted by Michigan State and Illinois as soon as they were informed of him asking for his athletic release, he's a great player things just didn't work out at akron he was IMO the best Tailback we had but just like many other players he wasn't put into a position to succeed coaches couldn't set in stone who the starter was. I'm not bad talking these coaches I support them 100% but I will stand up for the players also Go Zips

[bUAkronG]

I win. lol

http://zipsnation.org/forums//index.php?showtopic=17908#

[cornbread]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

I am not joking. And I am not necessarily against the idea. You have to have faith that the new coaching staff is doing their best.

I think it is a great idea when it comes to motivation to say, "Guess what guys, clean slate. Work hard and show me what you got." Maybe we will see what Brookhart had in mind when he recruited some of these guys.

But for players who have worked hard and gained a level of respect among their peers, this is most definitely a head game. I hope it works out and it will drive the more lax players to go hard or get out. We may be seeing a byproduct of it already. It sounds like he is running a tough camp.

*Edit*

Ok I do hate head games. But I recognize its importance as a motivation tool.

[GP1]

talking to some of the upperclassmen they state there is no respect from the coaches on a personal level granted not many of the players have earned respect when it comes to the field but respect in general man to man is needed especially in college. You have to respect your players and they have to respect their coaches if coaches don't give respect they won't get it therefore the players won't play hard and from what I'm hearing from different people is there isn't any respect yet. Wackerly was basically told he had no chance to play and that his only duty at Akron would be scout team QB to tell any hard working player that is just asking for them to leave.

On some level I agree. If the coaches treat the kids like crap, they will not get respect.....unless. The one thing that makes being treated like crap OK is winning or making millions playing in the NFL. Since this is not the NFL, let's focus on the winning. If the new staff wins, players will eat a lot of crap for the results. If they don't win, it will be no different than how that fat slob at Notre Dame treated his players in his disaterous career there.....that is where these guys come from, yes. If you are an a-hole and you win, you are considered to be driven and tough motivator. If you an a-hole and you lose, you are just an a-hole. Charlie Weis turned out to be just another run of the mill a-hole. Let's hope Coach I didn't bring that part of the ND program with him.

Secondly, telling Wackerly he had no chance to play is showing a kid respect. Sometimes, there is a difference between being honest/respectful and being nice. Faust told a lot of Dennison players the same thing and he was right to do so. I give some props to Coach I for showing a kid this level of honesty early in spring.

My guess is as spring moves forward, things will change slightly.

[uhgrad2002]

Considering that the one thing just about everybody here agrees on is that the team underachieved the last few years, maybe the players need to wake up to a few things. Not many guys on a three win team should expect to be a starter.

My wife started going to the games for the first time last season. About three games in she told me that she could tell watching the pre-game warmups that the other teams were better prepared and more intense. I still had faith in the team and staff at the time and tried to explain it away. We know how that turned out.

My hope is that the guys that stick around are the ones smart enough and dedicated enough to the team that they can become winners.

[tbozeglav]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

I cannot agree more. Scholarship players who leave for supposed "greener pastures" are often those types of people who are too concerned with themselves and their position than the team and the collective goal to win. We will lose players with a lot of ability and talent, but if that means in the end a winning season and a team who believes in themselves, it will all be good. Hell, any season better than last year is fine by me. Im not necessarily accepting mediocrity, but rather willing to live with a season of improvement that may not necessarily be deemed a winner. If we go 5-7 next year, but are very competitive and come close to a lot more victories, that counts a lot in my book for a brand new coaching staff and a completely overhauled roster.

Good luck to the kids who have decided to look elsewhere.

[RACER]

it's funny how in football some posters would be happy with a 5-7 record.kd wins alomst 70% of his games,but that's not good enough.i have always said there is a double standard with mens football compared to men's b-ball.

plus we just put ton of $ into football for a few wins a year.i don't want to hear that this coach inherited a bunch of bad players.we heard the same thing when faust took over for dennison/owens took over for l.o./jd took over for l.o.

that's nice that torrence left.he can't play for akron,but will probably end up at a big ten school.

i realize in any business when new management comes in people leave.good managers try to keep the people with

potential at the company.it's not like we have a.johnson,alex allen of a few years ago,and kennedy back at t.b.

i am not saying this guy won't be a good coach;so i don't like when talented players leave though.

[Zipmeister]

I heard Coach I eats puppies.

[vmd9]

it's funny how in football some posters would be happy with a 5-7 record.kd wins alomst 70% of his games,but that's not good enough.i have always said there is a double standard with mens football compared to men's b-ball.

plus we just put ton of $ into football for a few wins a year.i don't want to hear that this coach inherited a bunch of bad players.we heard the same thing when faust took over for dennison/owens took over for l.o./jd took over for l.o.

that's nice that torrence left.he can't play for akron,but will probably end up at a big ten school.

i realize in any business when new management comes in people leave.good managers try to keep the people with

potential at the company.it's not like we have a.johnson,alex allen of a few years ago,and kennedy back at t.b.

i am not saying this guy won't be a good coach;so i don't like when talented players leave though.

dude you need to type better, no offense but it's hard to read haha

I think the reason people will be happy if we end up 5-7 is because it's a new coaching staff, pretty much rebuilding a poor team left over by Brookhart. With basketball on the other hand, we were coming off a MAC championship, with high expectations. People thought that basketball was on the rise, but really I feel like 08-09 was just a fluke. Much like the MAC championship in football in 2005 or whenever...after every season is over, you hope that the next one shows improvement. That's why us Cleveland/Akron fans always say "Well there's always next year" and we've been saying that since 1964...

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

Well that's your view on how you feel about the situation, but I'm sorry to break it to you these are adults for the most part 20-22 year old sophmores and Juniors. They should be treated that way and for you to say that it doesn't matter what these young mean think or feel because they are young is unreal and not fair, young men or not they are still young adults if society and the university views them as adults and expects them to make adult choices then what they have to say is relevant to the situation. Torrence,Wackerly,Williams,Bice,Houser, Shuford and 2 other walkons I can't think of their names right now but all gone within a few weeks with more players contemplating, and talking to some of the upperclassmen they state there is no respect from the coaches on a personal level granted not many of the players have earned respect when it comes to the field but respect in general man to man is needed especially in college. You have to respect your players and they have to respect their coaches if coaches don't give respect they won't get it therefore the players won't play hard and from what I'm hearing from different people is there isn't any respect yet. Wackerly was basically told he had no chance to play and that his only duty at Akron would be scout team QB to tell any hard working player that is just asking for them to leave. And from what Scout.com is reporting Devoe torrence has been in contacted by Michigan State and Illinois as soon as they were informed of him asking for his athletic release, he's a great player things just didn't work out at akron he was IMO the best Tailback we had but just like many other players he wasn't put into a position to succeed coaches couldn't set in stone who the starter was. I'm not bad talking these coaches I support them 100% but I will stand up for the players also Go Zips

Let's be clear here. What you and I define as being "disrespected" may be an entirely different thing than what is happening in the gym and the fieldhouse right now with these players. Let's also be clear about the fact that this was a terrible team last year, and these players did not earn any collective respect. If they want respect, and that includes from the fans, how about winning some games? You mentioned Wackerly. He was a walk-on for crying out loud and I like it that he was not considered other than a scout team player by this staff. They can do better. We can do better. Let's see where Wackerly ends up. I'll bet a paycheck that it is a much smaller program where he might actually be able to play. How is that bad for him, or bad for the team? Again I say to any pampered UA college athlete (and yes they are still kids, whether you like to think of them that way or not) get with the new program or get out. You want respect from this staff? Earn it by working your ass off.

[ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net]

After seeing him run last year against MAC players I will be very surprised if Devoe is brought into a bigger program and actually contributes in any meaningful way. He was smooth and had a good frame but frankly I never thought he ran very hard when the chips were down. After wishing that he would be the man at RB I was less than amazed when he carried the ball. To me he was just another in a long line of supposed-to-be very good players brought in by JD who didn't work.

That reminds me of Ryan Bain, the goliath next-best-thing on the D-line. By the time he actually made the field for a handful of plays last year (can't remember who the opponent was) he was clearly in so much pain and hobbled to the point that it was difficult to watch him out there.

JD just didn't bring in impact players to this program, players who actually worked out other than on paper.

Here's another one. D Bowser. He looked really very good at times, although he dropped a few balls at key times too. I will never forget that after his season-ending injury last year that kid spent the rest of the season yucking it up on the sideline with key offensive players between series when those players were supposed to be focusing on the next series. Did anyone else here notice how many times LaFrance (sp) and Bowser were prancing and playing around on the sideline after a series of offensive downs while the rest of the O was on the bench with the coaches? That garbage told me a lot about Bowser and his interest in the team winning once he was injured. I hate to say it told me a little about the maturity of LaFrance too. I also still cannot believe that one of the coaching staff didn't put a stop to that kind of crap. Undisciplined coaching, undisciplined players, clear lack of focus on the sideline and a 3-9 season.

None of those kids deserve anything other than a hard core wake up call by this new coaching staff.

it's funny how in football some posters would be happy with a 5-7 record.kd wins alomst 70% of his games,but that's not good enough.i have always said there is a double standard with mens football compared to men's b-ball.

plus we just put ton of $ into football for a few wins a year.i don't want to hear that this coach inherited a bunch of bad players.we heard the same thing when faust took over for dennison/owens took over for l.o./jd took over for l.o.

that's nice that torrence left.he can't play for akron,but will probably end up at a big ten school.

i realize in any business when new management comes in people leave.good managers try to keep the people with

potential at the company.it's not like we have a.johnson,alex allen of a few years ago,and kennedy back at t.b.

i am not saying this guy won't be a good coach;so i don't like when talented players leave though.

[Dr Z]

Here's another one. D Bowser. He looked really very good at times, although he dropped a few balls at key times too. I will never forget that after his season-ending injury last year that kid spent the rest of the season yucking it up on the sideline with key offensive players between series when those players were supposed to be focusing on the next series.

I was lucky enough to be on the PSU field before any fans were let into the stadium last year. Guess who the first guy on the field was, catching passes before anybody other than AA stepped a foot on the field? Bowser. He was working hard at his craft and continued until game time.

As far as Devoe leaving. I am a little disappointed. I thought he had talent. BUT, I think I agree with STZ, smooth, good frame, but needed to run harder. In hindsight, I wish Tuzze got all his carries last year. Less smooth and frame, more hard nose north and south runner. I think the spread offense fit Devoe's style better, in the pro style offense, we will be running between the tackles more. We need hard nose north and south runners. Move them chains.

With the switch between both offense and defensive schemes, you would have to expect players moving positions and players not fitting and moving on. I think this is just a natural progression of a coaching change.

[g-mann17]

I have a feeling that Torrence leaving had more to do with the coaching staff asking him to play where he didn't want to play (LB) then it did with "hard feelings" or "bad treatment" with the coaching staff.

We are inundated with running backs. Allen, Alexander and Martin are likely to get the most carries. They probably were honest with Torrence and said "we could use your body on defense, or if you can put on weight and move to fullback that would help the team a lot" and having the same attitude as he did with JD he said "I'm a running back, if I don't carry here then I am going some place else"

[Buckzip]

Perhaps wherever DeVoe ends up he will be playing LB. His more natural position IMHO.

[zipzippy]

After seeing him run last year against MAC players I will be very surprised if Devoe is brought into a bigger program and actually contributes in any meaningful way. He was smooth and had a good frame but frankly I never thought he ran very hard when the chips were down. After wishing that he would be the man at RB I was less than amazed when he carried the ball. To me he was just another in a long line of supposed-to-be very good players brought in by JD who didn't work.

That reminds me of Ryan Bain, the goliath next-best-thing on the D-line. By the time he actually made the field for a handful of plays last year (can't remember who the opponent was) he was clearly in so much pain and hobbled to the point that it was difficult to watch him out there.

JD just didn't bring in impact players to this program, players who actually worked out other than on paper.

Lets be honest you can go through any team in the country and bring up the same arguement for them as well big time players they recruited that never panned out. I'm not trying to support JD because I also felt that he needed to go but you can't blame him for what happend with Bain the kid was a monster. He had a injury that he could not recover from he wasnt just a player on paper but one on the field as well just a string of bad luck that kept him from becoming a great here. And you cant blame JD or Coach I for trying to take chances on play makers we have to take chances on guys at some point or another because we dont have the big name recognition. Akron has had guys that Coaches took a chance on that did pan out that people seem to forget about like Reggie corner who was a prop Kiki Gonzalaz who also was a prop and Andre Jones who was also a prop Andy Alleman transfer Luke Getsy transfer not every player will pan out regardless but we need to support the guys on this team no matter what. For the most part this team is made up of guys who are about the right things there are just a few bad seeds that are being weeded out and if a kid leaves the program for whatever reason it doesnt make him a bad guy either he might just be looking for a better fit for himself whether that might be because of personal reasons academic reasons or athletic reasons that is his choice and doesnt make him a bad guy but we will move forward without them and hopefully be one step closer to a MACC. GO ZIPS

[zipfan330]

You must all be joking, especially cornbread. There are no players who are more important than the team. I saw Devoe play too and was not particularly impressed. If he has decided that he doesn't want to be a part of the team going forward, good for him and good for the team. JD had a great knack at bringing in players who simply did not pan out and there is no reason to take the side of any of them over the new coaching staff. People who try to undermine new staff, as they are just beginning to build their program, are simply cancers. For cornbread, are you, presumably as a grown man, going to take the side of a few young kids over the grown men of good reputation who were hired to mold this team?

These players are essentially still kids and need to get with the program or go away. Devoe will move along to another school. Good for him, good for us and good for the program.

Until I see how this team performs on the field I will support Ianello and his staff 1000 times over any individual player or small group of players. I simply don't care what a young 18 or 19 year old kid thinks about the coaches. To each of these pampered athletes I say take your scholarship and work your ass off. Play the way you're expected to play and work within the system, or get the hell out. When you become a star and help to define a winning , entertaining program, we'll talk. Until then you simply aren't important individually.

Well that's your view on how you feel about the situation, but I'm sorry to break it to you these are adults for the most part 20-22 year old sophmores and Juniors. They should be treated that way and for you to say that it doesn't matter what these young mean think or feel because they are young is unreal and not fair, young men or not they are still young adults if society and the university views them as adults and expects them to make adult choices then what they have to say is relevant to the situation. Torrence,Wackerly,Williams,Bice,Houser, Shuford and 2 other walkons I can't think of their names right now but all gone within a few weeks with more players contemplating, and talking to some of the upperclassmen they state there is no respect from the coaches on a personal level granted not many of the players have earned respect when it comes to the field but respect in general man to man is needed especially in college. You have to respect your players and they have to respect their coaches if coaches don't give respect they won't get it therefore the players won't play hard and from what I'm hearing from different people is there isn't any respect yet. Wackerly was basically told he had no chance to play and that his only duty at Akron would be scout team QB to tell any hard working player that is just asking for them to leave. And from what Scout.com is reporting Devoe torrence has been in contacted by Michigan State and Illinois as soon as they were informed of him asking for his athletic release, he's a great player things just didn't work out at akron he was IMO the best Tailback we had but just like many other players he wasn't put into a position to succeed coaches couldn't set in stone who the starter was. I'm not bad talking these coaches I support them 100% but I will stand up for the players also Go Zips

Let's be clear here. What you and I define as being "disrespected" may be an entirely different thing than what is happening in the gym and the fieldhouse right now with these players. Let's also be clear about the fact that this was a terrible team last year, and these players did not earn any collective respect. If they want respect, and that includes from the fans, how about winning some games? You mentioned Wackerly. He was a walk-on for crying out loud and I like it that he was not considered other than a scout team player by this staff. They can do better. We can do better. Let's see where Wackerly ends up. I'll bet a paycheck that it is a much smaller program where he might actually be able to play. How is that bad for him, or bad for the team? Again I say to any pampered UA college athlete (and yes they are still kids, whether you like to think of them that way or not) get with the new program or get out. You want respect from this staff? Earn it by working your ass off.

Yeah i can see that we do have a different view on the respect factor, your trying to justify being disrespectful by saying these players haven't earned it on the field. Athletically no these players haven't earned the respect from coaches or fans for that matter, but as individuals and young men they deserve respect from their staff just like the players are expected to give respect to their coaches. What you are trying to justify is basically saying because we didn't have a good season last year on the field we apparently don't deserve respect off of the field. Regardless of what you say these are men they are looked upon that way in society and by our University so there is no double standard there, and they should be treated that way because no matter who the players this staff could trash every player on the team per say bring in a whole new recruiting but if there is no general respect these players will not play hard proven fact. And if we want to get really specific our new head coach hasn't proven anything either other than he can recruit well because lets be honest Notre Dame hasn't been too good the last few years and Charlie Wise was under investigation a while back for mistreating players and those players responded so well by winning for him right?? not so much and i have a very very good look on the inside id say i have a pretty good idea of whats going on lol.

And to say Just because Jared Wackerly was a walk-on that he didn't deserve the opportunity to compete, were you at practice everyday to see Jwack play? no but i was as was everyone else ask a player what he thinks about jareds ability they will all tell you the kid can play and could hold his own against 1st team defense, being a walk on doesn't mean you should have the chance to compete. I'm sorry you must have the misconception that we are all of a sudden Ohio State or Cincinnati when it comes to recruiting because we have coach I, well im sorry to break it to you but nothings changed and nothing is going to for a very long time no big time recruits are going to come here unless unforeseeable problems cause them to ex. Eric Howard. Go look at our signed recruiting Class on scout.com all 2-Star recruits Wackerly was a 3-Star and For his career, had 3,713 passing yards and 42 touchdowns at Division 1 North Canton Hoover. so if you want to play the im better because im on scholarship lets look at the rankings and stats compared to other QB recruits we are bring in this year i rest my case, but your entitled to your opinion.

Torrence had 42 division 1 offers and was ranked 64th in ESPN top 150 4-Star recruit by scout.com & Committed to The Ohio State University and set to join his older brother whos a starter at Ohio State devoe transferred to Massillon from Canton South high School his Sr. year, He then got into legal trouble him and about 20 other Massillon fball players were accused of taking part in a high school sex ring causing Ohio State and many other schools to pull their offers, the case went all the way to grand jury before the girls admitted they lied to get attention, by that time all the schools tried to jump back into the picture but Devoe decided to stick with Akron because they stayed with him through the rough times they showed him good faith he decided to show them some. So this kid has been through a lot to get to where hes at now and i wish him nothing but the best he worked hard in practice everyday and on multiple occasions he asked to play safety or rover if it would help the team, hes more of a spread type running back the pro style offense wasn't a good fit for him but i wish nothing but the best for him in his future. Remember Torrence and Wackerly are not the only players we lost recently just the most recent i wish all the rest who have decided to go in different directions the best of luck in their future!

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it's funny how in football some posters would be happy with a 5-7 record.kd wins alomst 70% of his games,but that's not good enough.

Well, with all due respect Racer, I would say it's a matter of past experiences earning expectations. Keith Dambrot has earned the expectation of 25+ win seasons. Caleb Porter has earned the expectation of undefeated seasons. BUT, I tried to remember the last time the Zips football team had a winning record. I can't.