InTheZone Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 How long will it take for Ianello's replacement to be fired? How long will it take for InfoCision Stadium to crumble and be condemned? How long will it take for Zips fans not to think of asking questions like these? How long will it take Dave in Green and a few others to get a sense of humor? The thing about humor though, it's only funny when it's a reflection of reality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 How long before LeBron injures his elbow and ruins the whole championship run. I bet the Indians lose 150 games this year. Oh woe is us!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 How long will it take for Ianello's replacement to be fired? How long will it take for InfoCision Stadium to crumble and be condemned? How long will it take for Zips fans not to think of asking questions like these? How long will it take Dave in Green and a few others to get a sense of humor? Never.....If they ever come out with RPI rankings for football, God help us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 How long will it take for Ianello's replacement to be fired? How long will it take for InfoCision Stadium to crumble and be condemned? How long will it take for Zips fans not to think of asking questions like these? How long will it take Dave in Green and a few others to get a sense of humor? The thing about humor though, it's only funny when it's a reflection of reality. What makes you think I didn't interpret your poll as an attempt at humor, and what makes you think my response wasn't intended as counter-humor? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Never.....If they ever come out with RPI rankings for football, God help us. It'll never happen. Because then the BCS would have to justify all the political crap it does... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 What makes you think I didn't interpret your poll as an attempt at humor, and what makes you think my response wasn't intended as counter-humor? Comedy isn't the message...it's all in the delivery. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 The BCS already uses the equivalent of RPI in its rankings. RPI is nothing more than a mathematical formula to evaluate the relative strengths of teams. Numbers are run through a computer program, and it spits out a statistical estimate. The BCS averages a number of different polls, some generated by computer programs and some voted on by people, to produce its rankings. None of these systems is perfect. But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 What makes you think I didn't interpret your poll as an attempt at humor, and what makes you think my response wasn't intended as counter-humor? Comedy isn't the message...it's all in the delivery. I get it. A few people on ZN.O seem to have more frequent problems with my delivery style than others. That's why I added the new signature line. That's OK. There are a few people on ZN.O whose delivery styles I personally don't much care for, either. No big deal. We're all different. Either we constantly snipe at those whose delivery style we don't like, or we learn to accept our differences and live together in relative peace. Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 What makes you think I didn't interpret your poll as an attempt at humor, and what makes you think my response wasn't intended as counter-humor? Comedy isn't the message...it's all in the delivery. I get it. A few people on ZN.O seem to have more frequent problems with my delivery style than others. That's why I added the new signature line. That's OK. There are a few people on ZN.O whose delivery styles I personally don't much care for, either. No big deal. We're all different. Either we constantly snipe at those whose delivery style we don't like, or we learn to accept our differences and live together in relative peace. Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Once again, you have completely missed the point! The purpose of the Capt's photo was to demonstrate that the message is anorexic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Not really. Moderators are ordinary posters...but with the added burden...I mean benefit of trying to keep relative order and letting people have their say. Nothing more. You should not try to follow anyone's model. As human beings, we have free will. Exercise it. If we all thought alike there would be no discussion. Just a bunch of "+1's." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Not really. Moderators are ordinary posters...but with the added burden...I mean benefit of trying to keep relative order and letting people have their say. Nothing more. You should not try to follow anyone's model. As human beings, we have free will. Exercise it. If we all thought alike there would be no discussion. Just a bunch of "+1's." + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 + 1 Your best post ever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
InTheZone Posted April 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Dave I've been around here since pretty much the beginning of this board and you're the first person I've ever seen bitch about the moderating. Maybe that should tell you something. Moderation on many sports related boards is akin to the 3rd Reich. Around here, you can pretty much say whatever you want about whatever topic you want... there are no golden calves. I've had my disagreements with some of the moderators, but it's always within the topics of discussion, NEVER over how they moderate. Whatever you're upset over, get over it and get your panties out of a wad. Like somebody said, if you can't, I'm sure Cap or Dr. Z or zff would be happy to refund your membership dues. That is all. We may now return to predictions on when exactly Rob Ianello will be fired, thank you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Not really. Moderators are ordinary posters...but with the added burden...I mean benefit of trying to keep relative order and letting people have their say. Nothing more. You should not try to follow anyone's model. As human beings, we have free will. Exercise it. If we all thought alike there would be no discussion. Just a bunch of "+1's." You don't think I'm exercising my free will enough? By definition, moderators moderate. If their job was to incite, they'd be called inciters. Without question, moderators set the overall tone on any forum by virtue of how they elect to moderate. Moderators can never simply be "ordinary posters" as long as they have extraordinary powers on a forum. For example, ordinary posters expect moderators to be above the fray and provide fair and balanced moderation, not to give the impression of poking sticks at those they disagree with and winking and nodding at their buddies. Along those lines, I want to thank the moderator who deleted a post with a personal attack against me by someone who apparently feels empowered on ZN.O to inappropriately exercise their free will at will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 there are no golden calves. The golden calf ends up smashed to pieces in due time. There have been a couple of near untouchables on this board since I have been reading. Frye was one at one point, but his ongoing laughable NFL career brought that to an end. KD is/was another, but I think losing three of the last four MAC Championships at least has Moses returning to the wayward Israelites to ask a few questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted April 29, 2010 Report Share Posted April 29, 2010 But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. But if you ask anybody in statistics, they will admit that you can work the statistics to say anything you want them to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. But if you ask anybody in statistics, they will admit that you can work the statistics to say anything you want them to. Stats are just a tool of measurement, like a measuring tape. A carpenter uses a measuring tape to measure a piece of wood before cutting. If the measuring tape is defective, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the measurement is not properly read, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the carpenter ignores the measuring tape and just wings it, the piece of wood ends up being the wrong size. There are lots of ways of getting something wrong. Those who profess to totally ignore stats because they know better are like a carpenter who refuses to measure before he cuts. Statistical systems may not be perfect. But properly interpreted, they beat the heck out of just winging it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akron football Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I think Coach I needs to give respect to players that work hard. I understand the "my way or the highway" mentality but at the end of the day the yelling and screaming only goes so far. I'm sure that he can always pull back with his temperment but these guys want to win too. He needs to install the new offense and defense and coach them with confidence. Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 I think Coach I needs to give respect to players that work hard. I understand the "my way or the highway" mentality but at the end of the day the yelling and screaming only goes so far. There is a time and a place for yelling. Coaches who yell and scream all the time aren't very good coaches. Coach I comes from the background of a coach who yelled and screamed at ND and that didn't work out well. In the MAC, you can't lose seniors and expect to be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ctmjbowes@sbcglobal.net Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 When the talent goes 3-9 and looks worse than 3-9, NOBODY cares (nor should they) what the talent thinks, nor whether the talent wants to stay or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted April 30, 2010 Report Share Posted April 30, 2010 Moderators are responsible for setting the tone on any forum, so I always try to follow the model they set. Not really. Moderators are ordinary posters...but with the added burden...I mean benefit of trying to keep relative order and letting people have their say. Nothing more. You should not try to follow anyone's model. As human beings, we have free will. Exercise it. If we all thought alike there would be no discussion. Just a bunch of "+1's." + 1 +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. But if you ask anybody in statistics, they will admit that you can work the statistics to say anything you want them to. Stats are just a tool of measurement, like a measuring tape. A carpenter uses a measuring tape to measure a piece of wood before cutting. If the measuring tape is defective, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the measurement is not properly read, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the carpenter ignores the measuring tape and just wings it, the piece of wood ends up being the wrong size. There are lots of ways of getting something wrong. Those who profess to totally ignore stats because they know better are like a carpenter who refuses to measure before he cuts. Statistical systems may not be perfect. But properly interpreted, they beat the heck out of just winging it. Speaking of stats. I’m trying to get Proc phreg in SAS to generate z scores with no success. Any of you proficient in SAS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. But if you ask anybody in statistics, they will admit that you can work the statistics to say anything you want them to. Stats are just a tool of measurement, like a measuring tape. A carpenter uses a measuring tape to measure a piece of wood before cutting. If the measuring tape is defective, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the measurement is not properly read, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the carpenter ignores the measuring tape and just wings it, the piece of wood ends up being the wrong size. There are lots of ways of getting something wrong. Those who profess to totally ignore stats because they know better are like a carpenter who refuses to measure before he cuts. Statistical systems may not be perfect. But properly interpreted, they beat the heck out of just winging it. Speaking of stats. I’m trying to get Proc phreg in SAS to generate z scores with no success. Any of you proficient in SAS? Do you have v9.2 or an earlier version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zipmeister Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 But some of the loudest protests on sports forums against these systems generally come from fans who either don't think their favorite teams are ranked highly enough, or those who are trying to convince others that they're smarter than any statistical system. But if you ask anybody in statistics, they will admit that you can work the statistics to say anything you want them to. Stats are just a tool of measurement, like a measuring tape. A carpenter uses a measuring tape to measure a piece of wood before cutting. If the measuring tape is defective, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the measurement is not properly read, the piece of wood ends up the wrong size. If the carpenter ignores the measuring tape and just wings it, the piece of wood ends up being the wrong size. There are lots of ways of getting something wrong. Those who profess to totally ignore stats because they know better are like a carpenter who refuses to measure before he cuts. Statistical systems may not be perfect. But properly interpreted, they beat the heck out of just winging it. Speaking of stats. I’m trying to get Proc phreg in SAS to generate z scores with no success. Any of you proficient in SAS? Do you have v9.2 or an earlier version? 9.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted May 1, 2010 Report Share Posted May 1, 2010 To get help for a software program on ZN.O, I'd start a separate thread in the off topic forum, and give more details on the problem. But SAS has a great customer support site with a forum that would likely give you a quicker solution to your problem: http://support.sas.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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