Suckeyes Tattoo Investigation

[GP1]

With this development, what are the odds that Pryor and a few otehrs simply declare for the NFL Draft instead of only getting half a year next season? Sitting out five games could hurt their draft stock.

If Tressel has an ounce of dignity left after the recruiting process of Pryor, he would suspend all of them for the Sugar Bowl. He would quickly find out which one of them wanted to be there and which didn't.

[Dave in Green]

It's easy enough to rattle off a couple of points to justify just about any change to try to improve a situation perceived as flawed. It's only when you spend the time and effort required to comprehend the full implications of a given change that you begin to understand whether it will result in improvements or even worse problems. I doubt that anyone here has spent more than a few seconds considering potential problems that might be expected to arise if college scholarship athletes were turned loose to leverage their sporting fame into dollars without any controls in place.

[zippy5]

Buckzip entering and accusing everyone of penis envy in 3,2,1..

[MDZip]

It's easy enough to rattle off a couple of points to justify just about any change to try to improve a situation perceived as flawed. It's only when you spend the time and effort required to comprehend the full implications of a given change that you begin to understand whether it will result in improvements or even worse problems. I doubt that anyone here has spent more than a few seconds considering potential problems that might be expected to arise if college scholarship athletes were turned loose to leverage their sporting fame into dollars without any controls in place.

Incorrect, Dave. I'll bet I spent at least ten seconds thinking of and typing this.

It just gets tough separating what the athlete can earn vs. say a dealership giving them a car in exchange for an "autograph".

[ZachTheZip]

If they want money, they can get a job or a loan like every other student attending college does. Nothing against NCAA rules in getting a job. Don't tell me they don't have time. We had a player holding down three jobs on top of being a full time student and an athlete last season.

[GP1]

It just gets tough separating what the athlete can earn vs. say a dealership giving them a car in exchange for an "autograph".

If two people come together, agree on something and it is not illegal, what is wrong with the transaction? There is no crime. The transaction will have no impact on the performance of the athlete on the field. Just because a person may be personally offended by it, doesn't make it wrong.

Here is the question. The ncaa allows players to accept cars in exchange for autographs. You go watch the Zips play football knowing they took the cars. How does that impact your view of the football game? I would contend it doesn't...especially if the Zips were winning. People like to get on their high horses about money and college sports. That's all BS. Go to a big time college football game and look around. It's all about money. Booster clubs, $100,000 RVS, at South Carolina there is a condo complex across the street from the stadium where rich alumni spend $500K on a condo to stay at for football games and they sit empty the rest of the year, the millions they make on ticket sales, coaches salaries, the scramble to get into a BCS Bowl Game, etc. It's all about money.

[GP1]

Nothing against NCAA rules in getting a job.

It is against NCAA rules.

[GP1]

I doubt that anyone here has spent more than a few seconds considering potential problems that might be expected to arise if college scholarship athletes were turned loose to leverage their sporting fame into dollars without any controls in place.

Each day, there are students on full scholarships that are not athletic related. They can go out and get a job. As long as they maintain the standards set to continue to receive the scholarship, they are free to do what they want to do.

Why can't we do that with student athletes? If they maintain the academic standards to remain eligible and they do what their coaches want them to do on the field, why can't they legally earn money just the same as every other scholarship recipient? If they are in violation of their academic standards or what the coaches want them to do, they can lose their ability to play on the team. They are college age kids, not slaves.

[Dave in Green]

GP1, so you're saying you've fully thought this through and you can find no problems with turning on the money faucet for college players?

[GP1]

GP1, so you're saying you've fully thought this through and you can find no problems with turning on the money faucet for college players?

I have no problems with it at all as long as the money is earned legally and the players live up to their obligations to the university. You and I have the same right to earn money. I think it would be good for college football to get all of the money above the table. This story about tOSU is terrible for college football and there are stories just like this at other institutions waiting to come out. They are adults and should be treated as such.

[Buckzip]

Buckzip entering and accusing everyone of penis envy in 3,2,1..

Not in this case. I am as pissed off as anyone. Stupid jocks.

However, if this was anyone other than OSU, you guys could care less.

By the way, OSU self reported this. I know a lot more about this situation than any of you do.

Not sure what GP1 is referring to with the recruitment of Pryor, but I am sure it is more of his having no facts and just throwing out BS.

[GP1]

Not sure what GP1 is referring to with the recruitment of Pryor, but I am sure it is more of his having no facts and just throwing out BS.

Tressel still has knee pain from his recruiting of Pryor.

[Buckzip]

Buckzip entering and accusing everyone of penis envy in 3,2,1..

Not in this case. I am as pissed off as anyone. Stupid jocks.

However, if this was anyone other than OSU, you guys could care less.

By the way, OSU self reported this. I know a lot more about this situation than any of you do.

Not sure what GP1 is referring to with the recruitment of Pryor, but I am sure it is more of his having no facts and just throwing out BS.

Like I said, just throwing out BS.

You have no facts, just more of your typical BS that means nothing.

[GP1]

Not in this case. I am as pissed off as anyone. Stupid jocks.

Part of findings of the NCAA was tOSU did not provide enough compliance education. At that point, is it the players fault or the schools fault?

I like to take a person at his word. These players said they did not know what they were doing was a violation against NCAA rules. That doesn't make them innocent, it makes them poorly informed and not stupid. I actually believe they didn't know. There are entirely too many NCAA rules and it has turned everyone into a violator of the rules. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that every school in the country has at least one player on it who is watching this news and is worried about something he sold.

It is moronic that these guys can't sell their gold pants for example. They freaking own them and should be allowed to do whatever they want with them. Same with the Big Ten Championship rings. If there is some jock sniffer out there stupid enough to buy one of these items, then so be it.

[InTheZone]

Not sure what GP1 is referring to with the recruitment of Pryor, but I am sure it is more of his having no facts and just throwing out BS.

Tressel still has knee pain from his recruiting of Pryor.

Maybe others will get that one on the drive home.

[Spin]

Buckzip entering and accusing everyone of penis envy in 3,2,1..

However, if this was anyone other than OSU, you guys could care less.

Yeah because tOSU still acts like they're holier-than-thou in all of this.

Because tOSU just came out spouting off that it doesn't WANT anybody else besides them and their elitist buddies to be able to play in the BcS.

Because if it were anyone else, those jerkoffs would be suspended for the BOWL GAME too.

And magically they're back on the field before the Nebraska game? Pure coincidence I'm sure.

[RootforRoo44]

Not in this case. I am as pissed off as anyone. Stupid jocks.

Part of findings of the NCAA was tOSU did not provide enough compliance education. At that point, is it the players fault or the schools fault?

I like to take a person at his word. These players said they did not know what they were doing was a violation against NCAA rules. That doesn't make them innocent, it makes them poorly informed and not stupid. I actually believe they didn't know. There are entirely too many NCAA rules and it has turned everyone into a violator of the rules. I'd be willing to bet a lot of money that every school in the country has at least one player on it who is watching this news and is worried about something he sold.

It is moronic that these guys can't sell their gold pants for example. They freaking own them and should be allowed to do whatever they want with them. Same with the Big Ten Championship rings. If there is some jock sniffer out there stupid enough to buy one of these items, then so be it.

I agree completely. Selling their jerseys is one thing but selling their rings and some awards...what could possibly be wrong with that? It's THEIRS!

[UAZip0510]

Buckzip entering and accusing everyone of penis envy in 3,2,1..

However, if this was anyone other than OSU, you guys could care less.

Yeah because tOSU still acts like they're holier-than-thou in all of this.

Because tOSU just came out spouting off that it doesn't WANT anybody else besides them and their elitist buddies to be able to play in the BcS.

Because if it were anyone else, those jerkoffs would be suspended for the BOWL GAME too.

And magically they're back on the field before the Nebraska game? Pure coincidence I'm sure.

How exactly are they acting holier-than-thou?

A few facts...

- Ohio State self-reported, so I'm not sure how they are being "holier-than-thou"...the players were stupid and the school/athletic department did the right thing when they discovered the issue. Had they not come clean, I'm sure you'd be bashed them for that too...either way, you would have found a reason.

- The NCAA would have let any BCS team play ($$$$), not just OSU

- If the suspension was rigged due to the schedule it would have been the first four games, with the players returning against Michigan State.

[UAZip0510]

Not sure what GP1 is referring to with the recruitment of Pryor, but I am sure it is more of his having no facts and just throwing out BS.

Tressel still has knee pain from his recruiting of Pryor.

Ianello still has knee pain from his recruiting of Vinnie Ruzzo, so I think Tressel still wins out here.

[GP1]

Because if it were anyone else, those jerkoffs would be suspended for the BOWL GAME too.

These players are going to play because there is huge money involved in BCS games. If tOSU was in the Outback Bowl, the guys wouldn't play. The Sugar Bowl is the only game on TV at that time. There are huge commercial deals sold for these games. The NCAA and BCS does not want Arkansas to have a 21 point spread at half and lose half the TV audience.

Add this to the many reasons college is about money and not the BS the NCAA spouts off. No go out Pryor, et al and earn some more money for the the NCAA, your schools and the BCS, but you can't have any. There is something really, really wrong and unjust with big time colllege football.

[GP1]

Ianello still has knee pain from his recruiting of Vinnie Ruzzo, so I think Tressel still wins out here.

Strange.

[Zip_ME87]

Nothing against NCAA rules in getting a job.

It is against NCAA rules.

Proposition 62 has allowed student-athletes to work during the school year since 1998. Furthermore, they have been allowed to work in the summer.

"The new Proposition 62 goes into effect on August 1998. It should be made clear that without it, players had the ability to work in the summer which some people may argue was enough. "

[GP1]

Nothing against NCAA rules in getting a job.

It is against NCAA rules.

Proposition 62 has allowed student-athletes to work during the school year since 1998. Furthermore, they have been allowed to work in the summer.

"The new Proposition 62 goes into effect on August 1998. It should be made clear that without it, players had the ability to work in the summer which some people may argue was enough. "

True. However, you said it was not against the rules to get a job. It is during the school year.

It is not reasonable for a student athlete to hold a 40 hour a week job down during the summer. Between summer classes and workouts, their time is restricted. I figure at most a student athlete could work 30 hours a week during the summer. 12 weeks x 30 hours = 360 hours. They could probably get a job paying around $8 per hour at best. 360 hours x $8/hour = $2,880 at best. Take taxes out of that and it isn't much money. They could do much better on the autograph tour or public appearance tour.

[ZachTheZip]

However, if this was anyone other than OSU, you guys could care less.

You're right. Know why? Because we are their first opponent during the terms of the suspension.

[ZachTheZip]

Nothing against NCAA rules in getting a job.

It is against NCAA rules.

Proposition 62 has allowed student-athletes to work during the school year since 1998. Furthermore, they have been allowed to work in the summer.

"The new Proposition 62 goes into effect on August 1998. It should be made clear that without it, players had the ability to work in the summer which some people may argue was enough. "

True. However, you said it was not against the rules to get a job. It is during the school year.

It is not reasonable for a student athlete to hold a 40 hour a week job down during the summer. Between summer classes and workouts, their time is restricted. I figure at most a student athlete could work 30 hours a week during the summer. 12 weeks x 30 hours = 360 hours. They could probably get a job paying around $8 per hour at best. 360 hours x $8/hour = $2,880 at best. Take taxes out of that and it isn't much money. They could do much better on the autograph tour or public appearance tour.

Not many jobs work 40 hours a week for seasonal employment. $2800 is enough money to spend on things through the year when your room and board, tuition, books, and food costs are all paid for via scholarship.