taxpayer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm sorry to see Geno go, good coach & good guy. I guess it can be summed up as Money talks and......... Hope they make a decent hire and keep the competitive rivalry going. I also hope Akron's administration and fans appreciate what a quality coach and man they have in Coach KD. Make sure he's compensated for what he is, the best coach in the MAC; he's signed for awhile but some facility improvements and better assistant $ would go a long way in demonstrating UA's committment to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoZips Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Ford Gave Can't State No Notice Before Accepting Job at Bradley A good read. Geno had to have a solid reason for sneaking out of Dodge, er, Cant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
infofan Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm sorry to see Geno go, good coach & good guy. I guess it can be summed up as Money talks and......... Hope they make a decent hire and keep the competitive rivalry going. I also hope Akron's administration and fans appreciate what a quality coach and man they have in Coach KD. Make sure he's compensated for what he is, the best coach in the MAC; he's signed for awhile but some facility improvements and better assistant $ would go a long way in demonstrating UA's committment to him. Good points. Geno left Can't because of their (Bradley) financial committment to basketball. New arena is not used for mens b-ball games but it contains an on campus practice facility. Carver arena in downtown holds about 11000. Can't has promised him on campus practice facility but not fulfilled that promise. Likewise for renovation to MACC. Maybe this is the time to commit some resources toward JAR renovations/practice facilities to show support of Dambrot and his program. It must be tough to have a program that continually competes for MAC championship yet facilities are arguably the worst in the MAC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UA Fan Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I'm sorry to see Geno go, good coach & good guy. I guess it can be summed up as Money talks and......... Hope they make a decent hire and keep the competitive rivalry going. I also hope Akron's administration and fans appreciate what a quality coach and man they have in Coach KD. Make sure he's compensated for what he is, the best coach in the MAC; he's signed for awhile but some facility improvements and better assistant $ would go a long way in demonstrating UA's committment to him. Good points. Geno left Can't because of their (Bradley) financial committment to basketball. New arena is not used for mens b-ball games but it contains an on campus practice facility. Carver arena in downtown holds about 11000. Can't has promised him on campus practice facility but not fulfilled that promise. Likewise for renovation to MACC. Maybe this is the time to commit some resources toward JAR renovations/practice facilities to show support of Dambrot and his program. It must be tough to have a program that continually competes for MAC championship yet facilities are arguably the worst in the MAC. That's why I'm not convinced KD wouldn't consider the UD job. He could coach another 15 years easily, that's a long enough time frame for UD. If they would get a younger coach who is as successful as they'd like, the young guy would move on in less than 7-8 years anyway. At Akron, KD is limited by the mediocre 1-bid conference, mediocre arena, & mediocre attendance. At UD, everything would be an upgrade, allowing for better recruits. I'm sure he likes being at home in Akron but I'm sure he'd also like to make deeper runs in the tourney and UD isn't that far away. Being at a Catholic school might be awkward for him, but probably not a deal killer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 I have a really difficult time seeing Dambrot leaving for someplace else. High-major teams are looking for young coaches with proven success in NCAA DI (think Shaka Smart). Specifically, they are looking for coaches with RECENT success against high major teams, which KD doesn't do. They are looking for RECENT success in the NCAA Tournament, which KD has not produced. KD isn't going to a high major school and if he wants to go and doesn't, it's his own fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Marla gets is wrong. In the MAC, spending on head coaches and assistants does not always translate into success. If it did, Miami wouldn't have been able to turn their football program around in two years with the lowest paid coach in the league. They had a hugely ambitious coach who wanted to get in and get out ASAP. He brought in great talent for the MAC, whipped it into shape and won the league. It had nothing to do with the money Miami spent. Whenever you read an article and it says that the only way to improve something is by throwing money at it, don't believe it. You can throw money at something, but if you put it in all the wrong places, you get nowhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 He stayed with LeBron then got a better job. News to me? That Dru Joyce II mask KD wore at the end of LeBron's St V career was a really good one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 He stayed with LeBron then got a better job. News to me? Me too. I guess if being the knife in the back of Dan Hipsher is a better job, then so be it....someone had to put Hip and Zips fans out of their misery, why not KD? After being the knife, then he did have a better job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 Marla gets is wrong. In the MAC, spending on head coaches and assistants does not always translate into success. If it did, Miami wouldn't have been able to turn their football program around in two years with the lowest paid coach in the league. They had a hugely ambitious coach who wanted to get in and get out ASAP. He brought in great talent for the MAC, whipped it into shape and won the league. It had nothing to do with the money Miami spent. Whenever you read an article and it says that the only way to improve something is by throwing money at it, don't believe it. You can throw money at something, but if you put it in all the wrong places, you get nowhere. My favorite quote: But because of Can't State's salary limitations, the basketball program has become a farm system for the nation's best and brightest young coaches. Gary Waters has ascended to...Cleveland State. Heath just went 1-15 in the Big East. Christian just went 1-15 in the Mountain West. Now Ford leaves for Bradley, who incidentally has one less NCAA appearance than the Zips in the last decade. Obviously K.e.n.t. has NOT produced "the best and brightest." It has produced guys that can win in the MAC, but not beyond the MAC. It has produced guys that want to line their pockets rather than win. Which is fine...but just don't try to sell me on the fact that that group of 4 coaches is anything but slightly-above-average. Just because other Universities are stupid enough to hire them and throw a lot of money at them doesn't mean they're "the best." It seems to mean - the hiring AD isn't "the brightest." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 He stayed with LeBron then got a better job. News to me? Me too. I guess if being the knife in the back of Dan Hipsher is a better job, then so be it....someone had to put Hip and Zips fans out of their misery, why not KD? After being the knife, then he did have a better job. Tarver was the knife that ended DHip's run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 He stayed with LeBron then got a better job. News to me? Me too. I guess if being the knife in the back of Dan Hipsher is a better job, then so be it....someone had to put Hip and Zips fans out of their misery, why not KD? After being the knife, then he did have a better job. Tarver was the knife that ended DHip's run. With help from Hollingsworth. It's not uncommon for me to be in agreement with a lot of GP's edgy comments, but I can't roll with this one. Mount Saint Hipsher had no knives in his back. His explosive personality burnt his players out early. Gambles on troubled souls like Carson, Tarver, Hollingsworth, Melton, etc, coupled with a crappy son and a crippled son blew up in his face. He died by his own sword, not one in his back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Districtballer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 To Bradley's credit they have a RICH basketball history, an arena that would put both of our programs to shame (11,000+ capacity), a recent top 10 NBA pick, and a Sweet Sixteen in 2006 (they beat Kansas and Pittsburgh to get there). They've been to the NCAA's 8 times and won 11 games. Their yearly basketball budget is almost 3 million dollars per year, more than either of us spend. In the 1950's they went to the National Championship game twice in addition to an Elite 8. It's a proud and accomplished program in a significantly higher conference than the MAC in the Missouri Valley. Will he succeed? No idea. I could see how he could see it as a move up though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 It's not uncommon for me to be in agreement with a lot of GP's edgy comments, but I can't roll with this one. Mount Saint Hipsher had no knives in his back. His explosive personality burnt his players out early. Gambles on troubled souls like Carson, Tarver, Hollingsworth, Melton, etc, coupled with a crappy son and a crippled son blew up in his face. He died by his own sword, not one in his back. Absolutely. Andy was great. It's really a shame he was hampered physically. Dan Hipsher's players ended up hating him. Again, another shame. It was painful for me to witness. And to think of the potential those Jimmal Ball, Jamie Bosley, Ryan Andrick, George Phillips teams had. All under-achieved - almost to the point of quiting. They seemed so anxious to just get away from Hipsher. KD really seemed like a desperation hire for D-Hip. He needed a spark. KD gave the program a spark by signing Dru & Rome & Jeremiah Wood, but it was too little too late. KD wasn't gunning for D-Hip's job. He was simply happy to be back in the college ranks. Though, when the inevitable finally happened and D-Hip was let go, we all knew the perfect heir apparent was already on staff. Gotta love KD. First-class act. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 He stayed with LeBron then got a better job. News to me? Me too. I guess if being the knife in the back of Dan Hipsher is a better job, then so be it....someone had to put Hip and Zips fans out of their misery, why not KD? After being the knife, then he did have a better job. Tarver was the knife that ended DHip's run. With help from Hollingsworth. It's not uncommon for me to be in agreement with a lot of GP's edgy comments, but I can't roll with this one. Mount Saint Hipsher had no knives in his back. His explosive personality burnt his players out early. Gambles on troubled souls like Carson, Tarver, Hollingsworth, Melton, etc, coupled with a crappy son and a crippled son blew up in his face. He died by his own sword, not one in his back. I'm thinking Mrs. Hipshers outstanding performances at a few road games might have irked his boss a bit also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxpayer Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 GP1 - in your last post, you weren't calling UD a high major were you? UD enjoys great fan support as their attendance records will verify but high major? I don't believe KD is looking to move, I think being at Akron IS his dream job but I also think it wise for the administration to approve some facility improvements and sweeten the assistants pay before someone presents an offer that doubles his salary, pays assistants well, excellent facilities and sees the value of a winning basketball program that won't embarass the university. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronad Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 To Bradley's credit they have a RICH basketball history, an arena that would put both of our programs to shame (11,000+ capacity), a recent top 10 NBA pick, and a Sweet Sixteen in 2006 (they beat Kansas and Pittsburgh to get there). They've been to the NCAA's 8 times and won 11 games. Their yearly basketball budget is almost 3 million dollars per year, more than either of us spend. In the 1950's they went to the National Championship game twice in addition to an Elite 8. It's a proud and accomplished program in a significantly higher conference than the MAC in the Missouri Valley. Will he succeed? No idea. I could see how he could see it as a move up though. Also, the fact that they do not have to spend money on a football program is a big help. Imagine, for a moment, if we didn't have a football team. Imagine the money that could be allocated to all of the other sports. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 To Bradley's credit they have a RICH basketball history, an arena that would put both of our programs to shame (11,000+ capacity), a recent top 10 NBA pick, and a Sweet Sixteen in 2006 (they beat Kansas and Pittsburgh to get there). They've been to the NCAA's 8 times and won 11 games. Their yearly basketball budget is almost 3 million dollars per year, more than either of us spend. In the 1950's they went to the National Championship game twice in addition to an Elite 8. It's a proud and accomplished program in a significantly higher conference than the MAC in the Missouri Valley. Will he succeed? No idea. I could see how he could see it as a move up though. Also, the fact that they do not have to spend money on a football program is a big help. Imagine, for a moment, if we didn't have a football team. Imagine the money that could be allocated to all of the other sports. Imagine if we had a really good football program. Imagine if we drew 25k every Saturday in the fall. Imagine the excitement that would be instilled in the community and campus. The argument that football drags down the MAC/Zips Basketball is absolutely W-R-O-N-G. BAD football drags down the MAC, and Zips Basketball. Basketball Guy needs to hold UA Athletics accountable for it's bad/atrocious football. Not simply point a finger at football in general. If football isn't winning, and InfoCision isn't packed, someone needs to be held accountable, and something needs to change. UA football is an albatross that is holding UA down. And with the new stadium, and awesome new coaching staff (Tom's choice), the Era of Excuses is over. Under the correct leadership, UA Football could be a gem. For UA to reach it's full athletic potential, it MUST be a gem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 A rising tide can raise all the boats in the program. FB can be a tsunami. When the football team gets rolling, and fans are travelling to the Ford for a title game & a bowl game later .. the Zips will be on their mind, and it will translate to continued interest heading in to BB season. When the Zips are averaging 18-20k of regular Zips fans attendees .. only about 10-15 % of those folks will be needed to stuff the JAR beyond capacity. If those folks are dis-interested by October .. it's hard to keep them on the hook for hoops. When the FB turns .. it will help everything out. Soccer has helped. FB can help even more. Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zips Win! Posted March 29, 2011 Report Share Posted March 29, 2011 To Bradley's credit they have a RICH basketball history, an arena that would put both of our programs to shame (11,000+ capacity), a recent top 10 NBA pick, and a Sweet Sixteen in 2006 (they beat Kansas and Pittsburgh to get there). They've been to the NCAA's 8 times and won 11 games. Their yearly basketball budget is almost 3 million dollars per year, more than either of us spend. In the 1950's they went to the National Championship game twice in addition to an Elite 8. It's a proud and accomplished program in a significantly higher conference than the MAC in the Missouri Valley. Will he succeed? No idea. I could see how he could see it as a move up though. Also, the fact that they do not have to spend money on a football program is a big help. Imagine, for a moment, if we didn't have a football team. Imagine the money that could be allocated to all of the other sports. Imagine if we had a really good football program. Imagine if we drew 25k every Saturday in the fall. Imagine the excitement that would be instilled in the community and campus. The argument that football drags down the MAC/Zips Basketball is absolutely W-R-O-N-G. BAD football drags down the MAC, and Zips Basketball. Basketball Guy needs to hold UA Athletics accountable for it's bad/atrocious football. Not simply point a finger at football in general. If football isn't winning, and InfoCision isn't packed, someone needs to be held accountable, and something needs to change. UA football is an albatross that is holding UA down. And with the new stadium, and awesome new coaching staff (Tom's choice), the Era of Excuses is over. Under the correct leadership, UA Football could be a gem. For UA to reach it's full athletic potential, it MUST be a gem. We finally have a schedule with six Saturday home games. Unfortunately, we don't have a team that will put 25K butts in the seats. While noble, the idea that anyone is going to pack the Info for every home game with 25K fans is ridiculous...unless you give away the tickets. A few games in the early fall, maybe. Once it gets cold, no way... Most Basketball Guy's at UA don't really care about UA football. They are in c-bus all fall. So they will not be holding anyone accountable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 Basketball Guy needs to hold UA Athletics accountable for it's bad/atrocious football. Not simply point a finger at football in general. If football isn't winning, and InfoCision isn't packed, someone needs to be held accountable, and something needs to change. UA football is an albatross that is holding UA down. And with the new stadium, and awesome new coaching staff (Tom's choice), the Era of Excuses is over. Under the correct leadership, UA Football could be a gem. For UA to reach it's full athletic potential, it MUST be a gem. Good points. I think the bad football performance has an impact on the number of people who go to basketball games. When the local population, who is looking for any excuse under the sun not to attend UofA sporting events sees a horrible football team, they ignore everything else. Soccer is hard to ignore, but they sort of live outside of the norm at UofA. If the football team is good, the momentum will follow into basketball ticket sales. Speaking purely in ticket sales, if we are going to hit the football team for hurting basketball sales, we need to hit the BB program and hold them accountable as well. Winning the MAC isn't enough to sell tickets next year. We know that from history now. KD and his team need to stop losing to every major conference team they play and the likes of CSU/Dayton. Right now, the team is good. If they want to be great, they need to play well from day one until the final buzzer of the season. This nonsense of the team being unimpressive until the end of the season isn't enough if they really want to be looked at as a great program. A great program will sell tickets. What we have now won't. It's not a negative, it is just the way things are around Akron in general. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted March 30, 2011 Report Share Posted March 30, 2011 I'm thinking Mrs. Hipshers outstanding performances at a few road games might have irked his boss a bit also. Reminds me of a story... Mrs. Hipsher used to sit in the lower reserved seats, directly below us. I'm kidding you not when I say Bryan Hipsher had an 0-29 streak going on 3-pointers. Starting at about 0-10, my buddy would "BOOO" him after every miss. This continued for many games, until... As luck would have it, a loose ball rolled towards the corner, near the band. Falling out of bounds, Bryan grabbed the ball and heaved it towards the hoop. *Swish*, nuthin' but net! Mrs. Hipsher turned up towards our section and let loose with a screaming, arms-flailing, finger-pointing, contorted, " I TOLD YOU SO" eruption like I've never witnessed in my life. Such a release of pent-up rage I thought she was going to have a stroke. 1 for 30, and running smack. God bless her. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zipboy Posted March 31, 2011 Report Share Posted March 31, 2011 [Mrs. Hipsher turned up towards our section and let loose with a screaming, arms-flailing, finger-pointing, contorted, " I TOLD YOU SO" eruption like I've never witnessed in my life. Such a release of pent-up rage I thought she was going to have a stroke. 1 for 30, and running smack. God bless her. Kind of sounds like Dan Gilbert last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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