UAZipster0305 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Facilities don't win games. Facilities win recruits who win games. Depends on the primary motivator. Our basketball facilities are average at best yet we have the best team in the league. Our soccer facilities are probably worse than our basketball facilities yet we win national championships. I have yet to see a building make a tackle, complete a pass or go for a long run. I beg to differ, GP1. Aside from the JAR, the other facilities available to the basketball players (and that are shared among all sports) are tops in the league. Granted, the lack of a sparkling new or even standard bowl arena is a big limiting factor. However, the recruits come because of KD as a coach and person and that the program wins. Nothing recruits better than a winning program with a solid coach. I will never disagree with that. Our soccer facilities are among the best in the country, not just the league. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, GP1, because you are a football guy (and likely not that interested in soccer), and I assume you have not seen the new stadium yet. Creighton might be the only program with a better overall stadium. (Google it.) I was at UNC last year when we demolished the Tar Heals, and even with their tradition-laden woman's program that has won 10+ national championships and perennial top-5 men's program, our new stadium is nicer. There are many factors, but the facilities can contribute positively (or negatively) to the fan experience. The soccer recruits LOVE that the game atmosphere is like a European game and is unique in college soccer. That dynamic is a unique interplay between the fans and the facilities. Hence, the facilities are a large basis for the culture of a program and its success. Along with what I judge to be a great leader in Coach Pfau, our woman's program continues to improve (we just beat Michigan). I believe a lot of that is due to the gorgeous facility, and the elite players it allows us to attract. How many programs exist that are annually competitive for national championships yet have sub-par facilities? If you can name a small handful, I'd be amazed. In converse, consider: GaTech in baseball, Georgia in tennis, Kentucky, Duke, UNC in basketball, Akron, Creighton, and SMU in soccer, Arkansas in track...etc. I could go on. Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doug Snyder Posted August 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Facilities don't win games. Facilities win recruits who win games. Depends on the primary motivator. Our basketball facilities are average at best yet we have the best team in the league. Our soccer facilities are probably worse than our basketball facilities yet we win national championships. I have yet to see a building make a tackle, complete a pass or go for a long run. I beg to differ, GP1. Aside from the JAR, the other facilities available to the basketball players (and that are shared among all sports) are tops in the league. Granted, the lack of a sparkling new or even standard bowl arena is a big limiting factor. However, the recruits come because of KD as a coach and person and that the program wins. Nothing recruits better than a winning program with a solid coach. I will never disagree with that. Our soccer facilities are among the best in the country, not just the league. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, GP1, because you are a football guy (and likely not that interested in soccer), and I assume you have not seen the new stadium yet. Creighton might be the only program with a better overall stadium. (Google it.) I was at UNC last year when we demolished the Tar Heals, and even with their tradition-laden woman's program that has won 10+ national championships and perennial top-5 men's program, our new stadium is nicer. There are many factors, but the facilities can contribute positively (or negatively) to the fan experience. The soccer recruits LOVE that the game atmosphere is like a European game and is unique in college soccer. That dynamic is a unique interplay between the fans and the facilities. Hence, the facilities are a large basis for the culture of a program and its success. Along with what I judge to be a great leader in Coach Pfau, our woman's program continues to improve (we just beat Michigan). I believe a lot of that is due to the gorgeous facility, and the elite players it allows us to attract. How many programs exist that are annually competitive for national championships yet have sub-par facilities? If you can name a small handful, I'd be amazed. In converse, consider: GaTech in baseball, Georgia in tennis, Kentucky, Duke, UNC in basketball, Akron, Creighton, and SMU in soccer, Arkansas in track...etc. I could go on. Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. + 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 The team is capable of winning anywhere from 1-6 games this year. Repeating what litttle I've had to say about the American game, the second week will tell just how good the team can be. If they get blown out in the opener by the Owls it will be a very long season, with very little interest, and few fans. Beat Temple -- a team with few returning starters, and the guys get momentum and confidence going into winnable games vs EMU, VMI, FIU, even Ohio at home (TAKE THAT Jupertoo!), and they create (re-reate?) excitement on campus and in town. Recent schedules have been back-loaded, with late season games that could make the team competitive in the MAC. It seems that the most important -- relatively close and winnable games this season are before Halloween. It's possible they could even be .500 or above by that time. Or they could be 1-7 or something like that. I hope I-Coach does feel some pressure. You get the impression he's not concerned with the recent performance of HIS team. As if, because of the lack of success, he has "nowhere to go but up"! You do have somewhere else to go Coach. Let's start winning some games, NOW. An aside, there hasn't been much discussion about the schedule - but this seems like the most favorable (i.e., easiest) sked in years. There's no excuse for not winning at least four. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jupitertoo Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Facilities don't win games. Facilities win recruits who win games. Depends on the primary motivator. Our basketball facilities are average at best yet we have the best team in the league. Our soccer facilities are probably worse than our basketball facilities yet we win national championships. I have yet to see a building make a tackle, complete a pass or go for a long run. I beg to differ, GP1. Aside from the JAR, the other facilities available to the basketball players (and that are shared among all sports) are tops in the league. Granted, the lack of a sparkling new or even standard bowl arena is a big limiting factor. However, the recruits come because of KD as a coach and person and that the program wins. Nothing recruits better than a winning program with a solid coach. I will never disagree with that. Our soccer facilities are among the best in the country, not just the league. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, GP1, because you are a football guy (and likely not that interested in soccer), and I assume you have not seen the new stadium yet. Creighton might be the only program with a better overall stadium. (Google it.) I was at UNC last year when we demolished the Tar Heals, and even with their tradition-laden woman's program that has won 10+ national championships and perennial top-5 men's program, our new stadium is nicer. There are many factors, but the facilities can contribute positively (or negatively) to the fan experience. The soccer recruits LOVE that the game atmosphere is like a European game and is unique in college soccer. That dynamic is a unique interplay between the fans and the facilities. Hence, the facilities are a large basis for the culture of a program and its success. Along with what I judge to be a great leader in Coach Pfau, our woman's program continues to improve (we just beat Michigan). I believe a lot of that is due to the gorgeous facility, and the elite players it allows us to attract. How many programs exist that are annually competitive for national championships yet have sub-par facilities? If you can name a small handful, I'd be amazed. In converse, consider: GaTech in baseball, Georgia in tennis, Kentucky, Duke, UNC in basketball, Akron, Creighton, and SMU in soccer, Arkansas in track...etc. I could go on. Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. Have you been to the other MAC schools to see their basketball facilities, indoor practice fields, training equipment, basketball suites, etc.? You act as though other MAC schools don't invest in facilities. Toledo just spent millions on a Savage Hall enhancement, including training facilities. Most schools have IPFs these days that are just as good as Akron's. Can't has had one for 20 years. OU's b-ball arena, already one of the best, is getting several million in updates. Their weight training facility is much larger than Akron's. I would say Akron's facilities, now with InfoCision Stadium, are on par with many other MAC schools. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. While they are important, they are one reason of many. The key to establishing a winning program is getting kids who are primarily motivated to win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAZipster0305 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Facilities don't win games. Facilities win recruits who win games. Depends on the primary motivator. Our basketball facilities are average at best yet we have the best team in the league. Our soccer facilities are probably worse than our basketball facilities yet we win national championships. I have yet to see a building make a tackle, complete a pass or go for a long run. I beg to differ, GP1. Aside from the JAR, the other facilities available to the basketball players (and that are shared among all sports) are tops in the league. Granted, the lack of a sparkling new or even standard bowl arena is a big limiting factor. However, the recruits come because of KD as a coach and person and that the program wins. Nothing recruits better than a winning program with a solid coach. I will never disagree with that. Our soccer facilities are among the best in the country, not just the league. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, GP1, because you are a football guy (and likely not that interested in soccer), and I assume you have not seen the new stadium yet. Creighton might be the only program with a better overall stadium. (Google it.) I was at UNC last year when we demolished the Tar Heals, and even with their tradition-laden woman's program that has won 10+ national championships and perennial top-5 men's program, our new stadium is nicer. There are many factors, but the facilities can contribute positively (or negatively) to the fan experience. The soccer recruits LOVE that the game atmosphere is like a European game and is unique in college soccer. That dynamic is a unique interplay between the fans and the facilities. Hence, the facilities are a large basis for the culture of a program and its success. Along with what I judge to be a great leader in Coach Pfau, our woman's program continues to improve (we just beat Michigan). I believe a lot of that is due to the gorgeous facility, and the elite players it allows us to attract. How many programs exist that are annually competitive for national championships yet have sub-par facilities? If you can name a small handful, I'd be amazed. In converse, consider: GaTech in baseball, Georgia in tennis, Kentucky, Duke, UNC in basketball, Akron, Creighton, and SMU in soccer, Arkansas in track...etc. I could go on. Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. Have you been to the other MAC schools to see their basketball facilities, indoor practice fields, training equipment, basketball suites, etc.? You act as though other MAC schools don't invest in facilities. Toledo just spent millions on a Savage Hall enhancement, including training facilities. Most schools have IPFs these days that are just as good as Akron's. Can't has had one for 20 years. OU's b-ball arena, already one of the best, is getting several million in updates. Their weight training facility is much larger than Akron's. I would say Akron's facilities, now with InfoCision Stadium, are on par with many other MAC schools. Exactly. It's a nuclear arms race. Facilities are important. And GP1, why do you think we have players who don't want to win? I think the only program you could even begin to question this for is the football team (yes, I know this is a football forum). With a coaching change followed by a 1-11 season, losing to a D-IAA program, and the number of formerly rostered players leaving, did you expect morale to be high? I wouldn't be so quick to call our kids losers...the circumstances they have played through have been terrible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dreal1scout Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 Facilities don't win games. Facilities win recruits who win games. Depends on the primary motivator. Our basketball facilities are average at best yet we have the best team in the league. Our soccer facilities are probably worse than our basketball facilities yet we win national championships. I have yet to see a building make a tackle, complete a pass or go for a long run. I beg to differ, GP1. Aside from the JAR, the other facilities available to the basketball players (and that are shared among all sports) are tops in the league. Granted, the lack of a sparkling new or even standard bowl arena is a big limiting factor. However, the recruits come because of KD as a coach and person and that the program wins. Nothing recruits better than a winning program with a solid coach. I will never disagree with that. Our soccer facilities are among the best in the country, not just the league. I will give you the benefit of the doubt, GP1, because you are a football guy (and likely not that interested in soccer), and I assume you have not seen the new stadium yet. Creighton might be the only program with a better overall stadium. (Google it.) I was at UNC last year when we demolished the Tar Heals, and even with their tradition-laden woman's program that has won 10+ national championships and perennial top-5 men's program, our new stadium is nicer. There are many factors, but the facilities can contribute positively (or negatively) to the fan experience. The soccer recruits LOVE that the game atmosphere is like a European game and is unique in college soccer. That dynamic is a unique interplay between the fans and the facilities. Hence, the facilities are a large basis for the culture of a program and its success. Along with what I judge to be a great leader in Coach Pfau, our woman's program continues to improve (we just beat Michigan). I believe a lot of that is due to the gorgeous facility, and the elite players it allows us to attract. How many programs exist that are annually competitive for national championships yet have sub-par facilities? If you can name a small handful, I'd be amazed. In converse, consider: GaTech in baseball, Georgia in tennis, Kentucky, Duke, UNC in basketball, Akron, Creighton, and SMU in soccer, Arkansas in track...etc. I could go on. Bottom line, though not the only or most important factor, facilities are a very important component of establishing and maintaining a winning program. Have you been to the other MAC schools to see their basketball facilities, indoor practice fields, training equipment, basketball suites, etc.? You act as though other MAC schools don't invest in facilities. Toledo just spent millions on a Savage Hall enhancement, including training facilities. Most schools have IPFs these days that are just as good as Akron's. Can't has had one for 20 years. OU's b-ball arena, already one of the best, is getting several million in updates. Their weight training facility is much larger than Akron's. I would say Akron's facilities, now with InfoCision Stadium, are on par with many other MAC schools. Exactly. It's a nuclear arms race. Facilities are important. And GP1, why do you think we have players who don't want to win? I think the only program you could even begin to question this for is the football team (yes, I know this is a football forum). With a coaching change followed by a 1-11 season, losing to a D-IAA program, and the number of formerly rostered players leaving, did you expect morale to be high? I wouldn't be so quick to call our kids losers...the circumstances they have played through have been terrible. well said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 And GP1, why do you think we have players who don't want to win? I don't. In fact, I don't know what their motivations are. I want players who are primarily motivated to win. Facilities would be a secondary motivator. The University has banked everything on facilities and not doing the things necessary to win (the list is too long to type). KD is focused on winning. They could still be playing at Memorial Hall and he would find a way to get the program winning because it is his primary focus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted August 22, 2011 Report Share Posted August 22, 2011 A few folks on this board don't acknowledge the reality outside of Akron. They also don't acknowledge the history of Akron sports programs. Of the major sports there has never been a consistently big following for football or baseball. Basketball used to 'pack' Memorial Hall in the 60's and 70's.Problem is that only meant a few thousand fans. Soccer was normally a good program( remember the Nanchoffs) with a small following. Most people are not interested in any sports other then football or B.ball. Until the football team wins consistently and the B.ball team can show it can consistently play at a higher level,people will continue to gravitate toward teh Browns,OSU,the Cavs and Indians. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted August 28, 2011 Report Share Posted August 28, 2011 Afte much deliberation, I'm skipping the whole head/heart thing and going with my inner Zippy. The Zips will finish 7-5, with key home wins over Temple and FIU. Go Zips! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 ...key home wins over Temple and FIU. Go Zips!A win against Temple would tell me that we are headed in the right direction. It would be huge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 ...key home wins over Temple and FIU. Go Zips!A win against Temple would tell me that we are headed in the right direction. It would be huge. You guys are making Cos mad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ianello wastes some guys time at a wedding, reads a few books that don't tell him anything other than what he's already led himself to believe. Kevin Cosgrove begins his proccess of ruining yet another defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K92 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ianello wastes some guys time at a wedding, reads a few books that don't tell him anything other than what he's already led himself to believe. Kevin Cosgrove begins his proccess of ruining yet another defense. How are you making anything better? Perhaps I should back up and ask another question first. Are you mistakenly hearing the words of the fight song say "Ri-i-ip, rip on the Zippers"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ianello wastes some guys time at a wedding, reads a few books that don't tell him anything other than what he's already led himself to believe. Kevin Cosgrove begins his proccess of ruining yet another defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hilltopper Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ianello wastes some guys time at a wedding, reads a few books that don't tell him anything other than what he's already led himself to believe. Kevin Cosgrove begins his proccess of ruining yet another defense. I knew that eventually someone would end up on my Ignore List. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted August 29, 2011 Report Share Posted August 29, 2011 Ianello wastes some guys time at a wedding, reads a few books that don't tell him anything other than what he's already led himself to believe. Kevin Cosgrove begins his proccess of ruining yet another defense. Classic! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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