Tell me why the Zips shouldn't...

[akronad]

He has been in contact with his good friend, Jim Dennison. From what I understand, JIm only plans on this season and maybe 1 more before he hangs up the whistle. He is hoping that Tressel will step into the coaching position at Walsh.

[skip-zip]

I believe that Tressel could help our recruiting. No doubt. He probably still has plenty of relationships with Ohio HS coaches. But, how many of those coaches now feel negative about him and wouldn't risk recommending to a parent that their son should go to a program that is run by him?Personally, I'm just against putting ourselves in the category of a program that would stoop to any level to win. And maybe we would win more games, but I don't think I'd want to see my alma mater sell themselves out like that.Whoever takes him (unless he gets banned from coaching) will have plenty of negatives to deal with.

[g-mann17]

I believe that Tressel could help our recruiting. No doubt. He probably still has plenty of relationships with Ohio HS coaches. But, how many of those coaches now feel negative about him and wouldn't risk recommending to a parent that their son should go to a program that is run by him?Personally, I'm just against putting ourselves in the category of a program that would stoop to any level to win. And maybe we would win more games, but I don't think I'd want to see my alma mater sell themselves out like that.Whoever takes him (unless he gets banned from coaching) will have plenty of negatives to deal with.

I want us to stoop to some level to win. Staying at the high moral level we have been at hasn't really helped out much. The spin on the Tressel thing to people who aren't 100% OSU haters is that he did what he did to protect the kids. As a parent I admire that. They didn't traffic drugs or kill, rape, or beat anyone so he tried to get these guys through their senior years and on their way. He knew he would eventually take heat but the idea was to get these guys through school. No behavior is altruistic (he wanted them on the team so he could win) but he was also looking out for them after they made a mistake. Now I'm not for pitching Ianello just yet. But if the only two options are get Tressel this year or never get Tressel, then I say go after him. Ideally he's out of D-1 coaching for this season and next and then after next year we know if Ianello is progressing quickly enough and poof hire Tressel.

[Lee Adams]

I believe that Tressel could help our recruiting. No doubt. He probably still has plenty of relationships with Ohio HS coaches. But, how many of those coaches now feel negative about him and wouldn't risk recommending to a parent that their son should go to a program that is run by him?Personally, I'm just against putting ourselves in the category of a program that would stoop to any level to win. And maybe we would win more games, but I don't think I'd want to see my alma mater sell themselves out like that.Whoever takes him (unless he gets banned from coaching) will have plenty of negatives to deal with.

Tressel is probably going to get what I think is a 'show cause' from the NCAA. That means he will probably not be allowed to coach for a while. That may be why he is hooking up with the NFL. There he really doesn't have to worry about what the players do. Somebody else handles that.

[ZachTheZip]

But, how many of those coaches now feel negative about him and wouldn't risk recommending to a parent that their son should go to a program that is run by him?

Say it's split 50/50. We would still be in a better position than we are now or have been any time in the past.

[K92]

I want us to stoop to some level to win.

If we are making our pipe dream wishlist for an unemployed coach with baggage, Tressel isn't exactly at the top of my list.

[Blue & Gold]

He has been in contact with his good friend, Jim Dennison. From what I understand, JIm only plans on this season and maybe 1 more before he hangs up the whistle. He is hoping that Tressel will step into the coaching position at Walsh.

Holy crap. Walsh would outdraw the Zips.

[bobbyake]

I'm with you on this Zach. I don't think there's a chance it will happen but I'd be delighted if it did. Reason #1: Tressel has Akron roots and could coach here until he retires. Reason #2: whether he blows the big game or not, he gets there. He's an awesome coachReason #3: Ianello is not hungry to win, nor is he a good coach. He's not prone to make changes against his game plan. He sticks to it to the end, even if it's destined to fail. (sorry if you don't my opinion of Ianello, but that's how I see it)Reason #4: I believe Tressel is not a cheater and took the fall at OSU to save face for the university. (call me a conspiracy theorist if you will, but I believe he told the AD at the time what was happening, and was told to keep silent)Regardless of going after Tressel or not, the University needs to start considering a financial backup plan. With the way attendance was last year and the outlook for this year, this football team is going to be running a big deficit. Even the Ianello supporters should understand how expensive it is going to be to keep Ianello as the head coach if the football team does not improve. I propose this to the university: Schedule all 4 non-conference games next year away at big universities. We need 4 pay days next year to help cover this financial mess and it should be done on Ianello's record. He needs to take responsibility for this mess we are now in. (We would be in a lot better shape with Brookhart right now, and I was one that wanted him fired)

[Blue & Gold]

I believe that Tressel could help our recruiting. No doubt. He probably still has plenty of relationships with Ohio HS coaches. But, how many of those coaches now feel negative about him and wouldn't risk recommending to a parent that their son should go to a program that is run by him?Personally, I'm just against putting ourselves in the category of a program that would stoop to any level to win. And maybe we would win more games, but I don't think I'd want to see my alma mater sell themselves out like that.Whoever takes him (unless he gets banned from coaching) will have plenty of negatives to deal with.

skip-zip, a.k.a Rorschach, a.k.a. Walter Joseph Kovacs.

[Blue & Gold]

No behavior is altruistic...

I believe in altruism.But I don't believe Tressel's motives were altruistic.

[ZachTheZip]

I propose this to the university: Schedule all 4 non-conference games next year away at big universities. We need 4 pay days next year to help cover this financial mess and it should be done on Ianello's record. He needs to take responsibility for this mess we are now in. (We would be in a lot better shape with Brookhart right now, and I was one that wanted him fired)

Unfortunately we can't schedule that way. The NCAA requires at least 5 home games every year, and that means at least 1 OOC home game.Next year we're playing UCF at home, and FIU on the road. The other two games are up in the air, but we should put ourselves out there for payday games. Nothing under $800k. I'm sure we can find two games. Either that, or find some name opponent that travels really well and set them up in Browns Stadium. I don't want to hear some excuse that our stadium is too nice to play a game in Cleveland. As I see it, there's also no need to keep playing an FCS school at home if you can't sell enough tickets to break even (payout to the other team, facility operations, staff).

[bobbyake]

I propose this to the university: Schedule all 4 non-conference games next year away at big universities. We need 4 pay days next year to help cover this financial mess and it should be done on Ianello's record. He needs to take responsibility for this mess we are now in. (We would be in a lot better shape with Brookhart right now, and I was one that wanted him fired)

Unfortunately we can't schedule that way. The NCAA requires at least 5 home games every year, and that means at least 1 OOC home game.Next year we're playing UCF at home, and FIU on the road. The other two games are up in the air, but we should put ourselves out there for payday games. Nothing under $800k. I'm sure we can find two games. Either that, or find some name opponent that travels really well and set them up in Browns Stadium. I don't want to hear some excuse that our stadium is too nice to play a game in Cleveland. As I see it, there's also no need to keep playing an FCS school at home if you can't sell enough tickets to break even (payout to the other team, facility operations, staff).

There's a plan. If that fails, they could always use money from the soccer team to subsidize the football team.

[Zipmeister]

Frank Solich was older than Tressel when he took the OU job. There was no reason for Solich to not get another big time job other than his age so he went to a MAC school because he still wanted to coach. The best Howard Schnellenberger could do was Louisville where he had three really good years with a bunch of average at best seasons between the good ones. Tressel will never get another big time job because of his age. If Tressel wants to coach again, it will be at a MAClike school.

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?

[Dave in Green]

I want us to stoop to some level to win. Staying at the high moral level we have been at hasn't really helped out much. .....

Well, that opens things up a lot. Let's start listing options then:1. Hire a disgraced but winning coach.2. Sign up kids with awesome athletic talent but criminal backgrounds that make them so toxic that even Can't State won't touch them.3. Assign UA's economics department to research a really clever scheme to pay top-ranked recruits lots of money under the table without any possibility of getting caught.4. Assign UA's polymer department to research an undetectable physical performance enhancing chemical that can go in players' drinking water without them even knowing it.5. ?Everyone please feel free to add to the list (can't wait to see what Zipmeister might add).

[ZachTheZip]

Frank Solich was older than Tressel when he took the OU job. There was no reason for Solich to not get another big time job other than his age so he went to a MAC school because he still wanted to coach. The best Howard Schnellenberger could do was Louisville where he had three really good years with a bunch of average at best seasons between the good ones. Tressel will never get another big time job because of his age. If Tressel wants to coach again, it will be at a MAClike school.

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?

So far, it would seem that hiring a "name" guy from Notre Dame seemed to work out better than hiring a "no-name" guy from Notre Dame.

[GP1]

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?

We've hired a couple of names. Faust was one and Brookhart was sort of a name at the time. Faust produced a 7-3-1 record that still stands as the best year in the D-1A era. Faust knew what to do...the University had no idea what to do and the ship sank. Brookhart won a MAC Championship.

[Roo]

Tressel will never get another big time job because of his age.

Tell that to Dennis Erickson, pretty sure Arizona St had no issue with his age. He was around the same age as Tress is now when he took over that program.

[Buckzip]

Frank Solich was older than Tressel when he took the OU job. There was no reason for Solich to not get another big time job other than his age so he went to a MAC school because he still wanted to coach. The best Howard Schnellenberger could do was Louisville where he had three really good years with a bunch of average at best seasons between the good ones. Tressel will never get another big time job because of his age. If Tressel wants to coach again, it will be at a MAClike school.

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?

Apples and oranges. Faust was a failure at ND. Tressel has a NC at OSU, 5 total NC and has more BCS game appearances and wins than any other active coach. Faust went from high school right to the big time. Huge mistake that he never recovered from.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Tressel has a NC at OSU, 5 total NC and has more BCS game appearances and wins than any other active coach.

Tressel is an active coach?

[Buckzip]

Tressel has a NC at OSU, 5 total NC and has more BCS game appearances and wins than any other active coach.

Tressel is an active coach?

Nope. Yet he still has more than any other active coach.

[Dr Z]

Tressel is an active coach?

He is working part time. This job requires 11 days of work a year. His presence will make zero difference. I'm positive I could do as good a job (from my couch), if not better than his current position. He is in football, like I am in football. He couldn't be in any lower position at this point. The water boy has more impact on a game than he does. He got exactly what he deserved, although it took too long. Karma is a b@tch.

[Zipmeister]

Tressel has a NC at OSU, 5 total NC and has more BCS game appearances and wins than any other active coach.

Tressel is an active coach?

Nope. Yet he still has more than any active coach.

fixed it for you.

[Doug Snyder]

Tressel is an active coach?

He is working part time. This job requires 11 days of work a year. His presence will make zero difference. I'm positive I could do as good a job (from my couch), if not better than his current position. He is in football, like I am in football. He couldn't be in any lower position at this point. The water boy has more impact on a game than he does. He got exactly what he deserved, although it took too long. Karma is a b@tch.

I don't think you are looking at the whole picture. He knew he would be facing an eventual suspension and would be unemployable for a real job with that hanging over his head. I think he took a "job" with a friend to burn off that suspension making real future jobs possible. He may not be someone who is admirable...but he will be joining a league where he looks like an angel compared to some (see Billichek). I think it was an astute and strategic move. I doubt he will coach again in D1. My guess is that he coaches in the NFL or tries to repair his image at a school like BW. Depends on what passion burns inside him.

[Captain Kangaroo]

Nope. Yet he still has more than any active coach.fixed it for you.

Thanks, ZM

[skip-zip]

Didn't we already sell out once to gain publicity by hiring a "name" coach? How did that work out?

We've hired a couple of names. Faust was one and Brookhart was sort of a name at the time. Faust produced a 7-3-1 record that still stands as the best year in the D-1A era. Faust knew what to do...the University had no idea what to do and the ship sank. Brookhart won a MAC Championship.

Well Said, GP1.