Talking Tressel

[zen]

  UAZip0510 said:

  GP1 said:

  johnnyzip84 said:

I still have a mild concern over whether he can operate the same program as he did at YSU without the threat of NCAA violations occuring here. And if he runs a 100% clean operation, will he necessarily be successful?We can't schedule Slippery Rock and Clarion to open every season like Tressel did back in his YSU heyday.

Great post JZ84. I'd just like to focus on this little bit.

We have learned in the past year that Tressel was a fake and fraud as it relates to his campaign to be the most honorable person in America. He can't afford to come to Akron and be exposed as a fake and fraud as a coach. He'll never take the chance.

Tressel won a boatload of games at OSU with three MAC schools per year and a cake Big Ten schedule. He routinely got his butt kicked against OOC BCS teams. There is no scheduling to hide behind at Akron. He can't take the risk of being exposed. One thing Tressel isn't is a risk taker and Akron is a huge risk for him.

I've never said that Tressel couldn't win at Akron. There just isn't any evidence to show he can win without breaking NCAA rules. I don't want to risk him not being able to win without breaking rules at Akron. If he doesn't break rules and loses, we are screwed. If he breaks rules, wins and gets caught, we are screwed. If he doesn't break rules and wins, which there is no proof of, we win. We have a 2 in 3 chance of losing with this guy. No thanks.

People need to think with their heads and not with their hearts.

C'mon now Keener, let's be serious. Sure, he said the opposite in the previous sentence, but claiming a coach can't win without cheating is claiming a coach can't win.

I guessif you are actually worried about can't win (a single game) then we actually do have farther to fall from where we are now. heh.

[Zipmeister]

  GP1 said:

  johnnyzip84 said:

I still have a mild concern over whether he can operate the same program as he did at YSU without the threat of NCAA violations occuring here. And if he runs a 100% clean operation, will he necessarily be successful?We can't schedule Slippery Rock and Clarion to open every season like Tressel did back in his YSU heyday.

Great post JZ84. I'd just like to focus on this little bit.

We have learned in the past year that Tressel was a fake and fraud as it relates to his campaign to be the most honorable person in America. He can't afford to come to Akron and be exposed as a fake and fraud as a coach. He'll never take the chance.

Tressel won a boatload of games at OSU with three MAC schools per year and a cake Big Ten schedule. He routinely got his butt kicked against OOC BCS teams. There is no scheduling to hide behind at Akron. He can't take the risk of being exposed. One thing Tressel isn't is a risk taker and Akron is a huge risk for him.

I've never said that Tressel couldn't win at Akron. There just isn't any evidence to show he can win without breaking NCAA rules. I don't want to risk him not being able to win without breaking rules at Akron. If he doesn't break rules and loses, we are screwed. If he breaks rules, wins and gets caught, we are screwed. If he doesn't break rules and wins, which there is no proof of, we win. We have a 2 in 3 chance of losing with this guy. No thanks.

People need to think with their heads and not with their hearts.

So I'm marking you down as undecided.

[akzipper]

  UAZip0510 said:

Sometimes, Zips Nation, you amaze me. There is a coach with the following resume available:

- Career coaching record of 364-136-4

- 4 NCAA 1-AA National Championships

- 1 NCAA 1-A National Championship

- 3 NCAA 1-A National Championship Appearances

- University of Akron graduate (Masters in Education)

- Known as a great coach and recruiter

- Knows Northeast Ohio well

And some of you basically respond with "Ehhhhhh...I don't know"

I know some of you hate Ohio State. I also know that some of you hate Jim Tressel. I can respect that you hold those opinions. What I can't understand is how anyone would be against this hire. As GP1 ironically said...think with your heads, not your hearts.

I'm not against hiring the guy, I'm against believing we actually have a chance of it. It's simply not going to happen and even Luke Fickell is a long shot. We were in this exact same spot two years ago and look how that turned out! We hired a no-name coach who drove us into the ground. So may I ask, why should I think positively about this next hire when we've had such disastrous results in recent history?

I'm for all the negativity, but the ridiculous optimism on this board just ends in disappointment. Every year the predictions and optimism about our teams are about 95% wrong around ZipsNation. This years basketball team is a perfect example.

Just don't get your hopes up Zips fans...

[ejcool27]

  akzipper said:

  UAZip0510 said:

Sometimes, Zips Nation, you amaze me. There is a coach with the following resume available:

- Career coaching record of 364-136-4

- 4 NCAA 1-AA National Championships

- 1 NCAA 1-A National Championship

- 3 NCAA 1-A National Championship Appearances

- University of Akron graduate (Masters in Education)

- Known as a great coach and recruiter

- Knows Northeast Ohio well

And some of you basically respond with "Ehhhhhh...I don't know"

I know some of you hate Ohio State. I also know that some of you hate Jim Tressel. I can respect that you hold those opinions. What I can't understand is how anyone would be against this hire. As GP1 ironically said...think with your heads, not your hearts.

I'm not against hiring the guy, I'm against believing we actually have a chance of it. It's simply not going to happen and even Luke Fickell is a long shot. We were in this exact same spot two years ago and look how that turned out! We hired a no-name coach who drove us into the ground. So may I ask, why should I think positively about this next hire when we've had such disastrous results in recent history?

I'm for all the negativity, but the ridiculous optimism on this board just ends in disappointment. Every year the predictions and optimism about our teams are about 95% wrong around ZipsNation. This years basketball team is a perfect example.

Just don't get your hopes up Zips fans...

I agree about Jim Tressel. He has a nice job working for the colts I don't think he'll coach at Akron(but I could be wrong, and would like him to coach here). Luke though I think might actually want to coach here. With urban myers heading to OSU I think Luke will leave to be a head coach else where. He led OSU pretty well considering what the program was going through.

[Dave in Green]

Just checked the college football team recruiting rankings for 2005-2011, and tOSU's best single year ranking was 6th behind the top sunbelt teams. A few years tOSU ranked 10th or lower, including lows of 16th and 20th.

Conclusion: tOSU did not have "the best talent in the country." For those 7 years, they probably averaged somewhere around the 10th best recruiting classes, and the "big games" they lost were mostly to the top sunbelt teams that ranked above them in recruiting class strength.

[zips4ever2008]

I also agree with other posters here that Tressel has broken NCAA rules at YSU and OSU. It is risky hiring someone like him who didn't seem to get it the first time he got caught. The last thing I want is for my alma mater to get hit with violations because we hired him and he didn't learn. That scares me.

If Tressel does get the job here, I also hope he recruits the right kids. I don't want to see headcases like a Pryor, Clarrett, etc come here. Tressel has been known to get these top recruits who have ego problems and are me, me guys. I see how other MAC schools like a NIU, Toledo, WMU and Temple are able to get good players and have success. It would be so nice to be like those schools.

Akron isn't the only one looking for a new coach. Illinois, Memphis, UAB, FAU, Kansas, Ole Miss and Tulane fired their head coaches. More are probably to come.

[Zipsrifle]

  Dave in Green said:

Just checked the college football team recruiting rankings for 2005-2011, and tOSU's best single year ranking was 6th behind the top sunbelt teams. A few years tOSU ranked 10th or lower, including lows of 16th and 20th.

Conclusion: tOSU did not have "the best talent in the country." For those 7 years, they probably averaged somewhere around the 10th best recruiting classes, and the "big games" they lost were mostly to the top sunbelt teams that ranked above them in recruiting class strength.

Well, if the Sun Belt had the best recruiting classed, definitely don't hire one of their coaches. Who was usually tops? MTSU, FIU, North Texas??

[skip-zip]

  Zips Win! said:

  UAZip0510 said:

  skip-zip said:

  GP1 said:

  johnnyzip84 said:

I still have a mild concern over whether he can operate the same program as he did at YSU without the threat of NCAA violations occuring here. And if he runs a 100% clean operation, will he necessarily be successful?We can't schedule Slippery Rock and Clarion to open every season like Tressel did back in his YSU heyday.

Great post JZ84. I'd just like to focus on this little bit.

We have learned in the past year that Tressel was a fake and fraud as it relates to his campaign to be the most honorable person in America. He can't afford to come to Akron and be exposed as a fake and fraud as a coach. He'll never take the chance.

Tressel won a boatload of games at OSU with three MAC schools per year and a cake Big Ten schedule. He routinely got his butt kicked against OOC BCS teams. There is no scheduling to hide behind at Akron. He can't take the risk of being exposed. One thing Tressel isn't is a risk taker and Akron is a huge risk for him.

I've never said that Tressel couldn't win at Akron. There just isn't any evidence to show he can win without breaking NCAA rules. I don't want to risk him not being able to win without breaking rules at Akron. If he doesn't break rules and loses, we are screwed. If he breaks rules, wins and gets caught, we are screwed. If he doesn't break rules and wins, which there is no proof of, we win. We have a 2 in 3 chance of losing with this guy. No thanks.

People need to think with their heads and not with their hearts.

This is a fair post. And the negatives don't end there.

We know Tressel won boatloads of games at OSWho by scheduling inferior competition in the OOC games, and got a handful of cupcake games on top of that from the bad teams in the weak Big 11 conference. Against Top-ranked teams, he failed miserably. Against the Top conference in the country, he failed miserably. However, many people think that OSWho has the best talent in the country, right?

So, I have to ask...how many inferior teams can we put on our schedule? Not many, since nearly every team in D-1A is better than us right now,

And...how can anyone make the assumption that good players want to play for Tressel, and not that they just simply wanted to play at OSWho? How many kids on Solich's roster at OU are anywhere near high level talent? Plus, the nicely-pressed sweater vest won't look the same to kids in different colors, especially with the recent massive hit to his credibility and honesty.

I just think there's some assumptions here that really need some further thought.

First, lets look at his history against ranked teams:

2001 - Defeated #14 Northwestern, #11 Michigan...Lost to #14 UCLA, #12 Illinois, #14 South Carolina

2002 - Defeated #10 Washington State, #17 Penn State, #19 Minnesota, #12 Michigan, #1 Miami

2003 - Defeated #17 Washington, #9 Iowa, #24 NC State, #14 Michigan State, #11 Purdue, #8 Kansas State...Lost to #5 Michigan, #23 Wisconsin

2004 - Defeated #7 Michigan...Lost to #15 Wisconsin

2005 - Defeated #21 Iowa, #17 Michigan State, #22 Minnesota, #17 Michigan, #6 Notre Dame....Lost to #2 Texas, #18 Penn State

2006 - Defeated #2 Texas, #13 Iowa, #2 Michigan...Lost to #2 Florida

2007 - Defeated #20 Purdue, #25 Penn State, #19 Wisconsin, #23 Michigan...Lost to #2 LSU

2008 - Defeated #18 Wisconsin, #20 Michigan State...Lost to #1 USC, #3 Penn State, #3 Texas

2009 - Defeated #11 Penn State, #15 Iowa, #7 Oregon...Lost to #3 USC

2010 - Defeated #12 Miami, #21 Iowa, #8 Arkansas...Lost to #18 Wisconsin

By my count:

34-15 vs Top 25

10-8 vs non-Big Ten Top 25

1) A ranked team is a top team, regardless of what conference they play in, and I don't think 10-8 is "failing miserably".

2) Nobody outside of Columbus thinks Ohio State has or has ever had the best overall talent in the country, even in their best years.

3) If his biggest on-field issue is not being able to beat Top 3 SEC schools, I think we'll be OK.

Great! I knew some buckeye honk would post the tosu wins over second tier BCS schools and big ten schools ranked #15-25. THese schools were only ranked this high because they beat up on the MAC and started 4-0 or 5-1.

This was a great thread until DFG had to post yet another meaningless thread just to clog up ZNO. Get a job, go volunteer or start your own Zips board. Just stop posting.

Suckeye fans conveniently forget about the 1-5 record against Top-5 teams. But, they are sure anxious to tell you about the rest of them.

I'm merely pointing out that, if OSWho has "Some of the top talent in the country" (is that better, Dave?), then it's fair to judge Tressel's coaching ability against SIMILAR competition, and say that he was a failure against equivalent opponents.

How else do we judge "coaching ability" than to look at his games against teams with similar abiilty? And my point is that we don't play teams right now in which we have superior talent.

[Zipmeister]

  Dave in Green said:

Just checked the college football team recruiting rankings for 2005-2011, and tOSU's best single year ranking was 6th behind the top sunbelt teams. A few years tOSU ranked 10th or lower, including lows of 16th and 20th.

Conclusion: tOSU did not have "the best talent in the country." For those 7 years, they probably averaged somewhere around the 10th best recruiting classes, and the "big games" they lost were mostly to the top sunbelt teams that ranked above them in recruiting class strength.

Are you channeling Zach? I didn't realize he had passed on.

[Blue & Gold]

  Keener said:

There are a lot of Zips fans falling victim to the old "pie-in-the-sky" syndrome. I am as excited as the next guy about the opportunity to repair the terrible condition of the football program. But I gotta tell ya, a lot of the visions of grandeur just aren't going to happen no matter who is hired. I say this because the kind of metamorphosis has never happened in the history of CFB. I realize there is a first time for everything, but the odds are stacked so far against Akron ever attaining a sniff of the top 25 program I keep hearing rumors of.

I am happy we are rid of Ianello. I am excited to see what happens next. Landing Jim Tressel would make a huge splash and Akron would get immediate national exposure, but reality will set in very quickly as to the state of shambles the program is in. I hope for the best, but what I would like to see in the future is a program that can perform year in and year out like NIU has been performing the last couple of years. Anything more than that and the Zips would be living an absolute dream.

I hope for the absolute best outcome possible.

I don't know, Keener. I do agree the odds are stacked against us, because every other program in the nation is also fighting for Top 25 votes. But I still think it's readily attainable here at Akron.

I think a Top 25 ranking is deserving (even if deep down we'd all secretly admit that we weren't really one of the best 25 programs in the country) if we could stay undefeated into the 6th week of the season with a hypothetical schedule that included:

1) 1 FCS school to kick off the season: Gardner-Webb, VMI, Liberty, YSU.

2) 2 BCS schools along the lines of say Pitt, Duke, NC State, 'Cuse, Minnesota, etc. (We need to forget Penn State for a while.)

3) 3 MAC schools.

I'd bet that, if we were 6-0, even with that weak of a schedule, we'd sneak into the Top 25.

[Dave in Green]

  Zipsrifle said:

Well, if the Sun Belt had the best recruiting classed, definitely don't hire one of their coaches. Who was usually tops? MTSU, FIU, North Texas??

Ha! Definitely the top schools in sunbelt states and not the Sun Belt Conference.

[hiroad1]

  skip-zip said:

  Zips Win! said:

  UAZip0510 said:

  skip-zip said:

  GP1 said:

  johnnyzip84 said:

I still have a mild concern over whether he can operate the same program as he did at YSU without the threat of NCAA violations occuring here. And if he runs a 100% clean operation, will he necessarily be successful?We can't schedule Slippery Rock and Clarion to open every season like Tressel did back in his YSU heyday.

Great post JZ84. I'd just like to focus on this little bit.

We have learned in the past year that Tressel was a fake and fraud as it relates to his campaign to be the most honorable person in America. He can't afford to come to Akron and be exposed as a fake and fraud as a coach. He'll never take the chance.

Tressel won a boatload of games at OSU with three MAC schools per year and a cake Big Ten schedule. He routinely got his butt kicked against OOC BCS teams. There is no scheduling to hide behind at Akron. He can't take the risk of being exposed. One thing Tressel isn't is a risk taker and Akron is a huge risk for him.

I've never said that Tressel couldn't win at Akron. There just isn't any evidence to show he can win without breaking NCAA rules. I don't want to risk him not being able to win without breaking rules at Akron. If he doesn't break rules and loses, we are screwed. If he breaks rules, wins and gets caught, we are screwed. If he doesn't break rules and wins, which there is no proof of, we win. We have a 2 in 3 chance of losing with this guy. No thanks.

People need to think with their heads and not with their hearts.

This is a fair post. And the negatives don't end there.

We know Tressel won boatloads of games at OSWho by scheduling inferior competition in the OOC games, and got a handful of cupcake games on top of that from the bad teams in the weak Big 11 conference. Against Top-ranked teams, he failed miserably. Against the Top conference in the country, he failed miserably. However, many people think that OSWho has the best talent in the country, right?

So, I have to ask...how many inferior teams can we put on our schedule? Not many, since nearly every team in D-1A is better than us right now,

And...how can anyone make the assumption that good players want to play for Tressel, and not that they just simply wanted to play at OSWho? How many kids on Solich's roster at OU are anywhere near high level talent? Plus, the nicely-pressed sweater vest won't look the same to kids in different colors, especially with the recent massive hit to his credibility and honesty.

I just think there's some assumptions here that really need some further thought.

First, lets look at his history against ranked teams:

2001 - Defeated #14 Northwestern, #11 Michigan...Lost to #14 UCLA, #12 Illinois, #14 South Carolina

2002 - Defeated #10 Washington State, #17 Penn State, #19 Minnesota, #12 Michigan, #1 Miami

2003 - Defeated #17 Washington, #9 Iowa, #24 NC State, #14 Michigan State, #11 Purdue, #8 Kansas State...Lost to #5 Michigan, #23 Wisconsin

2004 - Defeated #7 Michigan...Lost to #15 Wisconsin

2005 - Defeated #21 Iowa, #17 Michigan State, #22 Minnesota, #17 Michigan, #6 Notre Dame....Lost to #2 Texas, #18 Penn State

2006 - Defeated #2 Texas, #13 Iowa, #2 Michigan...Lost to #2 Florida

2007 - Defeated #20 Purdue, #25 Penn State, #19 Wisconsin, #23 Michigan...Lost to #2 LSU

2008 - Defeated #18 Wisconsin, #20 Michigan State...Lost to #1 USC, #3 Penn State, #3 Texas

2009 - Defeated #11 Penn State, #15 Iowa, #7 Oregon...Lost to #3 USC

2010 - Defeated #12 Miami, #21 Iowa, #8 Arkansas...Lost to #18 Wisconsin

By my count:

34-15 vs Top 25

10-8 vs non-Big Ten Top 25

1) A ranked team is a top team, regardless of what conference they play in, and I don't think 10-8 is "failing miserably".

2) Nobody outside of Columbus thinks Ohio State has or has ever had the best overall talent in the country, even in their best years.

3) If his biggest on-field issue is not being able to beat Top 3 SEC schools, I think we'll be OK.

Great! I knew some buckeye honk would post the tosu wins over second tier BCS schools and big ten schools ranked #15-25. THese schools were only ranked this high because they beat up on the MAC and started 4-0 or 5-1.

This was a great thread until DFG had to post yet another meaningless thread just to clog up ZNO. Get a job, go volunteer or start your own Zips board. Just stop posting.

Suckeye fans conveniently forget about the 1-5 record against Top-5 teams. But, they are sure anxious to tell you about the rest of them.

I'm merely pointing out that, if OSWho has "Some of the top talent in the country" (is that better, Dave?), then it's fair to judge Tressel's coaching ability against SIMILAR competition, and say that he was a failure against equivalent opponents.

How else do we judge "coaching ability" than to look at his games against teams with similar abiilty? And my point is that we don't play teams right now in which we have superior talent.

I can't imagine UA could really land Tresssel.

However, if they could, I can't imagine you truly believe there could possibly be a stronger coach for UA to get.

For me, if UA can get Tress, sign him quickly before he changes his mind.

[akzipper]

  Blue & Gold said:

  Keener said:

There are a lot of Zips fans falling victim to the old "pie-in-the-sky" syndrome. I am as excited as the next guy about the opportunity to repair the terrible condition of the football program. But I gotta tell ya, a lot of the visions of grandeur just aren't going to happen no matter who is hired. I say this because the kind of metamorphosis has never happened in the history of CFB. I realize there is a first time for everything, but the odds are stacked so far against Akron ever attaining a sniff of the top 25 program I keep hearing rumors of.

I am happy we are rid of Ianello. I am excited to see what happens next. Landing Jim Tressel would make a huge splash and Akron would get immediate national exposure, but reality will set in very quickly as to the state of shambles the program is in. I hope for the best, but what I would like to see in the future is a program that can perform year in and year out like NIU has been performing the last couple of years. Anything more than that and the Zips would be living an absolute dream.

I hope for the absolute best outcome possible.

I don't know, Keener. I do agree the odds are stacked against us, because every other program in the nation is also fighting for Top 25 votes. But I still think it's readily attainable here at Akron.

I think a Top 25 ranking is deserving (even if deep down we'd all secretly admit that we weren't really one of the best 25 programs in the country) if we could stay undefeated into the 6th week of the season with a hypothetical schedule that included:

1) 1 FCS school to kick of the season: Gardner-Webb, VMI, Liberty, YSU.

2) 2 BCS schools along the lines of say Pitt, Duke, NC State, 'Cuse, Minnesota, etc. (We need to forget Penn State for a while.)

3) 3 MAC schools.

I'd bet that, if we were 6-0, even with that weak of a schedule, we'd sneak into the Top 25.

look at Houston, beating weak teams all year

look at all the HC openings this year. Kansas, Illinois, Memphis, UAB, and last Akron. I feel like we'd be the least desirable school for any coach. As much as I feel for Ianello because of the timing of his firing we are about to get lost in race.

[Blue & Gold]

  Captain Kangaroo said:

Can he accept taking the hit to his lifetime win % that the first 2 seasons at UA would level? Probably.

Yes.

And I don't think JT can lose in this situation. He'd be roundly hailed as an absolute coaching genius if we were to win but 4 games his first year. Heck, we'd probably name a street after him. Even if we'd only win 3 games yet be competitive in most of the others we'd all be singing his praises & patting him on the back.

And we'd all be just absolutely elated if we were to go .500 by his second year.

If he could recruit the talent to Akron, that he had on his powerhouse YSU squads, we'd be competitive in the MAC on a yearly basis. That's all most of us want.

But I digress.

I think this is a terrific, no-lose opportunity for JT.

[zipinnc]

  zen said:

  bobbyake said:

how many people here would buy season tickets if Tressel is hired?

Count me in for 3.

The phone system couldn't even handle all the calls after the announcement was made. Infocision could have it's phonelines contracted out to take the ticket orders, and they would be overrun

Could Infocision handle the phones?

[Blue & Gold]

  Keener said:

I will buy season tickets if Tressel is hired. I will buy season tickets if he isn't hired. I was probably going to buy season tickets if Ianello was retained. I will not renew if Ianello is rehired.

Ha. That's how I am. Being such a huge sucker for the Zips, even though I wanted iCoach gone so badly I was to the point of anger, I would have still none-the-less been torn in buying season tickets if iCoach was retained. Now that they've relieved iCoach of his duties, they could hire Chuckles the Clown & I'm in!

[Blue & Gold]

  zen said:

  bobbyake said:

how many people here would buy season tickets if Tressel is hired?

Count me in for 3.

The phone system couldn't even handle all the calls after the announcement was made. Infocision could have it's phonelines contracted out to take the ticket orders, and they would be overrun

I agree, though I realize you speak hyperbole.

Could you imagine the initial community interest? The immediate transfusion of respect that UA football would receive? I'm glad I already have season tickets!

I would venture to guess that the single biggest increase in interest that UA would see would be from its sponsors. Akron area businesses would be lining up to have thier brand associated with JT & the Zips. Any vacant loges? Forget about it. The Info (and downtown Akron) would be the place to be on gamedays!

[Zipsrifle]

  Blue & Gold said:

  Keener said:

I will buy season tickets if Tressel is hired. I will buy season tickets if he isn't hired. I was probably going to buy season tickets if Ianello was retained. I will not renew if Ianello is rehired.

Ha. That's how I am. Being such a huge sucker for the Zips, even though I wanted iCoach gone so badly I was to the point of anger, I would have still none-the-less been torn in buying season tickets if iCoach was retained. Now that they've relieved iCoach of his duties, they could hire Chuckles the Clown & I'm in!

Yea, I was in the same dilemma for a while. I finally made my mind up that though I consider myself a diehard fan, I could not "Support" what I viewed as a flawed decision from the get go. I had had enough and decided to still give my money to UA, just somewhere else.

[Dave in Green]

  skip-zip said:

Suckeye fans conveniently forget about the 1-5 record against Top-5 teams. But, they are sure anxious to tell you about the rest of them.

I'm merely pointing out that, if OSWho has "Some of the top talent in the country" (is that better, Dave?), then it's fair to judge Tressel's coaching ability against SIMILAR competition, and say that he was a failure against equivalent opponents.

How else do we judge "coaching ability" than to look at his games against teams with similar abiilty? And my point is that we don't play teams right now in which we have superior talent.

That's a little more accurate, Skip. Though, to be completely fair, it should be noted that tOSU's recruiting classes were ranked lower on average than all of those Top-5 OOC (sunbelt) teams they lost to.

But the point really isn't whether or not Tressel is the very best college football coach in the land, is it? The real question is whether he's the best proven head coach UA has the slightest chance of attracting to Akron.

[zipinnc]

I can't imagine UA could really land Tresssel.

However, if they could, I can't imagine you truly believe there could possibly be a stronger coach for UA to get.

For me, if UA can get Tress, sign him quickly before he changes his mind.

Brevity is the soul of wit. This sums it up quite well.

[Blue & Gold]

  UAZip0510 said:

3) If his biggest on-field issue is not being able to beat Top 3 SEC schools, I think we'll be OK.

+1.

We're never going to have to worry about this anyway.

If we ever did have to worry about this, then it would mean we were on to something huge a' la Boise State.

[Zipsrifle]

  zipinnc said:

  zen said:

  bobbyake said:

how many people here would buy season tickets if Tressel is hired?

Count me in for 3.

The phone system couldn't even handle all the calls after the announcement was made. Infocision could have it's phonelines contracted out to take the ticket orders, and they would be overrun

Could Infocision handle the phones?

The sad part is that the people at the Info probably wouldn't know why they were getting flooded with phone calls!

[GoZips]

Sigh, such squabbling.

People, do the math.

There is absolutely no reason to hire Jim Tressel unless....

Go ahead hire poor Paul winters. A really nice guy who has slogged through

years of pathetic Division two football. Paul has done a good job and deserves

to be rewarded with a better job. Hire him. In four years he will elevate

your Zips to the middle of the pack in the MAC. That is, if, and only if he

can get his one and two star recruits to play their hearts out for him.

He just might.

Better still, hire Luke Fickell, if he will come. Get Luke to leave the comfort

of Ohio State. The money is good. He has a family to raise. Luke is a

genuinely nice man. He is much admired, even in here in Akron. Frankly,

Luke can probably recruit well enough to have Akron playing for a MAC

championship in four to five years. Good stuff.

But, the much maligned and distasteful Jim Tressel ... now why would he

even consider such a cow town bunch of hill jerks as the rubber rat city?

I will tell you why. He has vision and a plan. He has a goal. IS there no

reason to bring in Tressel and the high dollar he would command? Some

say well over a million dollars. Now what MAC school pays its football

coach any where near a million dollars. Why, none, of course. And

neither would Akron.

The only practical reason to pay Tressel's high price would be if he is set

on the course of taking your Zips to a new, bigger, far more important

conference.

Now, why is it that no one even considers this? How long do you think it

will take the University to apply for admission to the Big East after the

ink is dry on Tressel's contract? Less than a week? Less than a day?

Forty minutes?

How many of you are even aware that right now plans are being developed

to build a new arena? No, not a revamp of the trusty JAR, but a real brand

new arena? Oh, few know this. But, its under way. This is not talk or

speculation, but actual plans along with how to finance it. Darn, said

too much already.

No, folks, the only reason to hire Jim Tressel and his flock of four star

recruits would be to compete in the BCS as a member of the Big East.

Forget him. Start your petition to fall back to the OAC where Mount Union

rules and Equins can snicker at you day and night.

[Blue & Gold]

  GoZips said:

Sigh, such squabbling.

People, do the math.

There is absolutely no reason to hire Jim Tressel unless....

Go ahead hire poor Paul winters. A really nice guy who has slogged through

years of pathetic Division two football. Paul has done a good job and deserves

to be rewarded with a better job. Hire him. In four years he will elevate

your Zips to the middle of the pack in the MAC. That is, if, and only if he

can get his one and two star recruits to play their hearts out for him.

He just might.

Better still, hire Luke Fickell, if he will come. Get Luke to leave the comfort

of Ohio State. The money is good. He has a family to raise. Luke is a

genuinely nice man. He is much admired, even in here in Akron. Frankly,

Luke can probably recruit well enough to have Akron playing for a MAC

championship in four to five years. Good stuff.

But, the much maligned and distasteful Jim Tressel ... now why would he

even consider such a cow town bunch of hill jerks as the rubber rat city?

I will tell you why. He has vision and a plan. He has a goal. IS there no

reason to bring in Tressel and the high dollar he would command? Some

say well over a million dollars. Now what MAC school pays its football

coach any where near a million dollars. Why, none, of course. And

neither would Akron.

The only practical reason to pay Tressel's high price would be if he is set

on the course of taking your Zips to a new, bigger, far more important

conference.

Now, why is it that no one even considers this? How long do you think it

will take the University to apply for admission to the Big East after the

ink is dry on Tressel's contract? Less than a week? Less than a day?

Forty minutes?

How many of you are even aware that right now plans are being developed

to build a new arena? No, not a revamp of the trusty JAR, but a real brand

new arena? Oh, few know this. But, its under way. This is not talk or

speculation, but actual plans along with how to finance it. Darn, said

too much already.

No, folks, the only reason to hire Jim Tressel and his flock of four star

recruits would be to compete in the BCS as a member of the Big East.

Forget him. Start your petition to fall back to the OAC where Mount Union

rules and Equins can snicker at you day and night.

[zen]

  GoZips said:

Sigh, such squabbling.

People, do the math.

There is absolutely no reason to hire Jim Tressel unless....

Go ahead hire poor Paul winters. A really nice guy who has slogged through

years of pathetic Division two football. Paul has done a good job and deserves

to be rewarded with a better job. Hire him. In four years he will elevate

your Zips to the middle of the pack in the MAC. That is, if, and only if he

can get his one and two star recruits to play their hearts out for him.

He just might.

Better still, hire Luke Fickell, if he will come. Get Luke to leave the comfort

of Ohio State. The money is good. He has a family to raise. Luke is a

genuinely nice man. He is much admired, even in here in Akron. Frankly,

Luke can probably recruit well enough to have Akron playing for a MAC

championship in four to five years. Good stuff.

But, the much maligned and distasteful Jim Tressel ... now why would he

even consider such a cow town bunch of hill jerks as the rubber rat city?

I will tell you why. He has vision and a plan. He has a goal. IS there no

reason to bring in Tressel and the high dollar he would command? Some

say well over a million dollars. Now what MAC school pays its football

coach any where near a million dollars. Why, none, of course. And

neither would Akron.

The only practical reason to pay Tressel's high price would be if he is set

on the course of taking your Zips to a new, bigger, far more important

conference.

Now, why is it that no one even considers this? How long do you think it

will take the University to apply for admission to the Big East after the

ink is dry on Tressel's contract? Less than a week? Less than a day?

Forty minutes?

How many of you are even aware that right now plans are being developed

to build a new arena? No, not a revamp of the trusty JAR, but a real brand

new arena? Oh, few know this. But, its under way. This is not talk or

speculation, but actual plans along with how to finance it. Darn, said

too much already.

No, folks, the only reason to hire Jim Tressel and his flock of four star

recruits would be to compete in the BCS as a member of the Big East.

Forget him. Start your petition to fall back to the OAC where Mount Union

rules and Equins can snicker at you day and night.

Here is the problem I have.

last time It was easy for me. I knew Brookhart didn't elevate the program, and after so many years (particularly after 4 when he had all his how recruits) of no progress, the detractors were going to win their case.

Now it's harder. The downside before as was big as the upside, and it all depended on who came here.

As you now see, the downside won out last time.

But we now have varying degrees of upside. I don't see it getting much worse.

Each candidate either does a little bit better than status quo, or much better.

The problem is scale. You can't get stuck in it.

Now, I ask, who as the biggest upside?

This is easy.

What we have learned, if anything, is that the downside of no change is guaranteed clauses.

Tressel has the highest reward potential. The only risk is being stuck with him after 3 years of limited progress.

This is where contracts come in.

Sign him to a regressive pay scale, backloaded with incentives.

If he is what we think he is, then he will sign on the dotted line, and the rest will be history legacy and he will be rewarded for it