Zip Watcher Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just know that among Zips Nation, you stand completely alone in your belief, GP1. YES TO TRESS...say it, dream it, make it happen. I think DrZ would disagree. I also think JZ84 might disagree. I also think Zips Win! might disagree. I disagree as well. We pulled a quick lever the last go around. I think some patience and diligence is required now more than ever. My guess is that the poster on Rasor's post is closer to the mark: TW is calling on people like Tressel and Dennison to either take part in the search committee, or act as defacto "search firm" to build the best candidate list he can come up with. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I know you and a lot of others are afraid to dream of something bigger and better for the school you call alma mater. Why is it wrong for a person to believe a coach would want to step out of the limelight and ride out his career doing what he loves coaching. I do dream of something bigger for the University. I think there are a lot of guys we could go after who could get us there and I don't understand why everyone thinks the Tressel/OSU shortcut is the only way to be successful. We need to look at various possibilities and find the right person. This jumping on the USS Tressel doesn't smell right to me and I think it might be bad for him and us in the long run. I don't want a coach that takes shortcuts either. Please describe these "shortcuts" in detail. Great question. It doesn't take much detail. The same logic as the old "build facilities and we will be good" applies. We can't just assume that hiring Tressel will make us good. It takes a lot more than that to be good. I dont' doubt that Tressel is a good coach. It's easy to be at least good at OSU. Tressel was good, Cooper was at least good, Bruce was at least good. Look at the place and all they have going for them. Little of that exists at Akron. I'm not even certain Tressel will have the hunger to do what it takes to be good at Akron. Coaching "for the love of the game" doesn't do it for me. There has to be more at Akron. You said great question and then never answered it. LOL What shortcuts did he take? Try better reading comprehension. It's about UofA taking shortcuts, not Tressel/OSU taking shortcuts. LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Kangaroo Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I think it would be really ironic that TW would attempt to fire Brookhart for a secondary rules violation...then hire a guy with the comparatively severe violations Tressel carries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I know you and a lot of others are afraid to dream of something bigger and better for the school you call alma mater. Why is it wrong for a person to believe a coach would want to step out of the limelight and ride out his career doing what he loves coaching. I do dream of something bigger for the University. I think there are a lot of guys we could go after who could get us there and I don't understand why everyone thinks the Tressel/OSU shortcut is the only way to be successful. We need to look at various possibilities and find the right person. This jumping on the USS Tressel doesn't smell right to me and I think it might be bad for him and us in the long run. I don't want a coach that takes shortcuts either. Please describe these "shortcuts" in detail. Great question. It doesn't take much detail. The same logic as the old "build facilities and we will be good" applies. We can't just assume that hiring Tressel will make us good. It takes a lot more than that to be good. I dont' doubt that Tressel is a good coach. It's easy to be at least good at OSU. Tressel was good, Cooper was at least good, Bruce was at least good. Look at the place and all they have going for them. Little of that exists at Akron. I'm not even certain Tressel will have the hunger to do what it takes to be good at Akron. Coaching "for the love of the game" doesn't do it for me. There has to be more at Akron. You said great question and then never answered it. LOL What shortcuts did he take? Try better reading comprehension. It's about UofA taking shortcuts, not Tressel/OSU taking shortcuts. LOL My reading comprehension is fine. You implied Tressel takes shortcuts in your original post. I'm not sure why hiring a winning coach that has the type of record Tressel does is a shortcut to you. I certainly don't want another losing coach. I would like Tressel at Akron, but there are others I would look at too. Tressel isn't going to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zen Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The notoriety he would bring to the program and the recruits he could pull in would be negligent. Freudian slip? Freud's wife's negligee was negligible! UA officials need to remember one more thing: Tressel has legions of fans from all over this state. He wouldn't just be attracting Akron area fans to InfoCision, but people from all over. I don't know if I subscribe to the idea that Tressel has legions of fans around the state. OSU has (had?) legions of fans who latched on to a winner. Tressel was the figurehead of that juggernaut (and it's mastermind?). Those who felt Tressel was responsible for what went wrong at OSU are probably not fans of Tressel. However, I think they are in the minority, and most (whether right or wrong) felt Tressel was the victim of things he never did with willful intent, and would LOVE to see him get redemption by succeeding elsewhere (as long as it's not an OSU rival). However, I think that most of those people would simply take an interest in what he is doing by following it in the news.... not by attending zip's games or buying zips merchandise. What I think Tressel offers to UA is N.E.Ohio coverage from the media, and interest from the frontrunners (who are a mob) if the winning starts. Context bias is everything. RI getting 7 wins would have been lauded by the existing fans, but Tressel getting 7 wins will be called a "miracle turnaround by a genius" and there will be butts in the seats but I don't think those butts will belong to the OSU type Tressel fans Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnyzip84 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just know that among Zips Nation, you stand completely alone in your belief, GP1. YES TO TRESS...say it, dream it, make it happen. I think DrZ would disagree. I also think JZ84 might disagree. I also think Zips Win! might disagree. My basic position on Tressel is that, due to the dire financial circumstances the football program now faces, I do think it makes sense to attempt to hire him assuming UA can get over the "show cause" hurdle. I say this with great reluctance, however. Rarely are wise decisions made under duress, and I'm afraid this might fall into that category. And it's surprising to me that others aren't at least slightly troubled by the prospects of hiring a guy who has commited violations at both of this head coaching stops. He's 2 for 2. If you dispute these facts, then you're not looking at this situation with enough objectivity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 To elaborate on the post I posted on here about 10 minutes ago(last post on page 10), I really think it could be a possibility. Just so everyone doesn't have to go back to it, one of my sources said this: "If Tressel comes to Akron, _____ ______ will be coming to Akron as part of his staff as well." He asked me to leave the name out, so I'm not going to say it now. However, it is one of the candidates that have been mentioned already. So we have Tressel for a year or two just for publicity, and he may not coach much during that stretch because of the "show-cause". In case of Tressel hiring, sales go up, tickets go up, and everything else goes up for the football program in numbers and revenue. Tressel leaves after a couple years, and this person on his staff takes over. When this person takes over, people will forget his name from recent endeavors, and the program will be in decent shape when he takes over as in recruiting and running the program. This is how I took it from my source. Hopefully, this is not the way my source was hoping I would interpret it without them telling me. I guess only time will tell... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Also, decent article by Ken Carman at 92.3 The Fan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 He asked me to leave the name out, so I'm not going to say it now. However, it is one of the candidates that have been mentioned already. So we have Tressel for a year or two just for publicity, and he may not coach much during that stretch because of the "show-cause". In case of Tressel hiring, sales go up, tickets go up, and everything else goes up for the football program in numbers and revenue. Tressel leaves after a couple years, and this person on his staff takes over. When this person takes over, people will forget his name from recent endeavors, and the program will be in decent shape when he takes over as in recruiting and running the program. If this is the logic the Athletic Department is using, which I doubt, they should all turn their keys in today and I will be glad to accept their resignations effective immediately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 He asked me to leave the name out, so I'm not going to say it now. However, it is one of the candidates that have been mentioned already. So we have Tressel for a year or two just for publicity, and he may not coach much during that stretch because of the "show-cause". In case of Tressel hiring, sales go up, tickets go up, and everything else goes up for the football program in numbers and revenue. Tressel leaves after a couple years, and this person on his staff takes over. When this person takes over, people will forget his name from recent endeavors, and the program will be in decent shape when he takes over as in recruiting and running the program. If this is the logic the Athletic Department is using, which I doubt, they should all turn their keys in today and I will be glad to accept their resignations effective immediately. I was going to suggest that they hire the guy that dresses up like JT at the Columbus games and use him the exact same way. I thought that was too much though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee Adams Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Also, decent article by Ken Carman at 92.3 The Fan The guys on 92.3 are talking about the 'Akron Thing' right now. Thats Phelps not the two blowhards who are on before. The take there is Tress goes to the pros so the sanctions aren't an issue. Fickell MIGHT fall to Akron,IF he wants a headcoaching job. They also made the point about Hazell being at Can't and how that would jack up the rivary(not that that is a reason to hire Fickell). They pretty much dismissed the Vest to Akron rumor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZipsAlum92 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 These Tressel rumors did not just pop up over night. I started hearing all of this back in October. To me, it comes downs to this: 1. What is the NCAA going to do to Tressel? If Akron is interested in him, they are no doubt already talking to them regarding what penalties he will face and, if it is a pill they want to swallow, they will negotiate his contract accordingly. 2. I am not sure Jim Tressel and Tom Wistricill would be a good match. I heard stories of Tressel reaching out to him during the last coaching search and asking him to take a good look at Fickell. Of course, we all know what happened. Wistricill hired his buddy and two years and two wins later, we are right back where we were. I heard that Tressel was not happy when Fickell wasn't even seriously considered for the job, despite having more on-field coaching experience than Ianello. 3. I am sure if Tressel comes to Akron, he is going to bring some of his guys with him. Top of that list would likely be Fickell. I know Ohio State is going to pay him more than what Akron could and that he has a guaranteed contract with them through 2013, but come on, there is no way he can really be excited about Urban Meyer coming in. Meyer is going to want to bring in his own guys, and despite what is being portrayed in the media, you have to think Fickell isn't one of them. In all honesty, I can't imagine Fickell staying at Ohio State, as it would be incredibly difficult going from being the interim head coach, back to the assistant head coach. That said, I think Tressel could do a lot for Akron. He built a solid program at Youngstown State and comes from a coaching family. He has obvious ties to Akron and it would be the perfect place for him to finish his career and start down the road to redemption. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The guys on 92.3 are talking about the 'Akron Thing' right now. They pretty much dismissed the Vest to Akron rumor.If I were "Akron", I would float as many Tressel rumors to as many media outlets as I could. Make a simple phone call to the NCAA and ask what the sanctions are if Tressel returns. Now email/call ESPN, SI, Fox Sports, etc.. and give them some kind of quote about it. Stuff like this to can be done by some flunky and requires little work to make the job look more prestigious to another candidate. Prestigious is not the right word, but you get the idea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 To elaborate on the post I posted on here about 10 minutes ago(last post on page 10), I really think it could be a possibility. Just so everyone doesn't have to go back to it, one of my sources said this: "If Tressel comes to Akron, _____ ______ will be coming to Akron as part of his staff as well." He asked me to leave the name out, so I'm not going to say it now. However, it is one of the candidates that have been mentioned already. So we have Tressel for a year or two just for publicity, and he may not coach much during that stretch because of the "show-cause". In case of Tressel hiring, sales go up, tickets go up, and everything else goes up for the football program in numbers and revenue. Tressel leaves after a couple years, and this person on his staff takes over. When this person takes over, people will forget his name from recent endeavors, and the program will be in decent shape when he takes over as in recruiting and running the program. This is how I took it from my source. Hopefully, this is not the way my source was hoping I would interpret it without them telling me. I guess only time will tell... If you think Tressel is coming with Luke as his DC and then Luke takes over, I think you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndzeigler Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I am holding on to hope that there is a possibility we could get tressel. But tressel and fickel? Where can I get what you are smoking? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mes102 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm just relaying what I heard... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 I'm just relaying what I heard... You need to see an Audiologist then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Dave, You are a former HR Big Wig. See my question above. I think you are right. It's one thing to meet with someone and interview them. It's another to be able to come to an agreement on terms. If they did interview Tressel, that is a good thing. Interviews are a good way of learning from other people whether or not you hire them. It's not that Tressel wouldn't make a good coach. The question is, given all of the circumstances involved with us and his ncaa problems, is there a fit that would make both parties look good in the process and be mutually beneficial? I don't think there is. This isn't a good fit for either party. My professional background is more communications than HR. But, yes, I believe that a UA-Tressel relationship could be crafted to benefit all. Would it satisfy everyone? Heck, no! As is often stated on this forum, haters are going to hate. Some are going to rip Tressel and some are going to rip UA. There would be some bad PR. That goes with the territory. But big rewards are worth big risks as long as the risks are well managed. No hire would generate more publicity, and P.T. Barnum's quote might be applicable here: “I don’t care what you say about me, just spell my name right.” A big, bold move like this would require Dr. Proenza's complete attention. He would need the best advice from both attorneys and communications specialists, because a Tressel hire would not simply be an athletic department hire, but a reflection on the entire university. Even under the best of circumstances, success could not be guaranteed. No football coach coming to UA comes with guarantees. I expect that UA would not be frozen with inaction while awaiting a response from Tressel. I expect they would be moving forward with alternatives. But I do believe Tressel gets first right of refusal, and that even if he were to refuse the job that he would offer good advice to UA on who he thought would be the best choice. So I think it's appropriate for most of our attention to be focused on Tressel right now. I suspect we'll all know pretty shortly how this works out, and if it doesn't, there's plenty of time for us to shift the main focus to other candidates. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blue & Gold Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 Just know that among Zips Nation, you stand completely alone in your belief, GP1. YES TO TRESS...say it, dream it, make it happen. I think DrZ would disagree. I also think JZ84 might disagree. I also think Zips Win! might disagree. I disagree as well. We pulled a quick lever the last go around. I think some patience and diligence is required now more than ever. My guess is that the poster on Rasor's post is closer to the mark: TW is calling on people like Tressel and Dennison to either take part in the search committee, or act as defacto "search firm" to build the best candidate list he can come up with. Careful, ZW. I pointed out that very comment yesterday (I even specified that it was merely an internet rumor) and got jumped by both GoZips & DIG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The football players have a team meeting scheduled later today. During that time, they will be informed who their next head coach will be. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
akronzips71 Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The football players have a team meeting scheduled later today. During that time, they will be informed who their next head coach will be. Yeah, right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The football players have a team meeting scheduled later today. During that time, they will be informed who their next head coach will be. Yeah, right. It's true. You will hear the official announcement either tonight or tomorrow morning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zip Watcher Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 That would seem to eliminate Mark Farley (longtime coach at Northern Iowa) who has a game to coach on the 3rd. Seems like a pretty quick decision and short "national search" .. I tend to believe this would be a meeting to rally the troops and make sure they're up to speed on what the time-line looks like. After all, has there been a team meeting since the departure of RI was announced on Saturday? Doesn't seem unusual to me that there'd be a team meeting today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The earlier the announcement, the more likely it is to be Tressel. Still not guaranteed, but more signs are pointing in that direction. I'm getting ready to head out for the WVU basketball bus trip. But I'm sure we'll all be checking our cell phones on the bus for any updates on ZN.o. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted November 28, 2011 Report Share Posted November 28, 2011 The football players have a team meeting scheduled later today. During that time, they will be informed who their next head coach will be. Yeah, right. It's true. You will hear the official announcement either tonight or tomorrow morning. Holy crap. This was on the Tressel thread and I assumed that he was talking OSU. They are having a meeting tonight to announce Urban Meyer. Maybe GP1 is right. I need a reading comprehension class. I have no idea if Akron has a new coach already. That would be very fast. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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