johnnyzip84 Posted October 22, 2012 Report Posted October 22, 2012 Since there has been public talk from KD this off-season and private wishes from many Zip fans over the last few years on this topic, I thought THIS CNNSI STORY on the classic LMU/LSU game from 1990 was worth a read. Quote
Class of 82 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Boy, johnny, I sure hope they run more. They have the depth, the speed, the finishers. The only question in my mind is whether they have the requisite discipline, as a team, defensively. Sure seemed like way too many times last year, the Zips let themselves get busy celebrating fast-break dunks or lay-ups while letting the other team go right back down the floor for an easy basket. And you just can't do that. But if we can run and defend and hold the silly celebrations, I think this team can bury people. Quote
lumberjack Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Boy, johnny, I sure hope they run more. They have the depth, the speed, the finishers. The only question in my mind is whether they have the requisite discipline, as a team, defensively. Sure seemed like way too many times last year, the Zips let themselves get busy celebrating fast-break dunks or lay-ups while letting the other team go right back down the floor for an easy basket. And you just can't do that. But if we can run and defend and hold the silly celebrations, I think this team can bury people. I disagree, I think the dunk celebrations were a non factor defensively. The biggest thing that hurt the zips last season were unexcused turnovers down the stretch where opponents capitalized. I believe if we keep turnovers to a minimum and minimize the shooting slumps they will have a strong chance. Also if the coach find the right chemistry of players that play best together in rotation will take the team to a whole new dimension of play... Quote
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 I'll answer JZ's question simply by saying "no." I'm not sure how we are going to judge the final answer though. Average points per game per season throughout the KD years? Some stat geek can probably look something like that up. Quote
johnnyzip84 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Posted October 23, 2012 I'll answer JZ's question simply by saying "no." I'm not sure how we are going to judge the final answer though. Average points per game per season throughout the KD years? Some stat geek can probably look something like that up. I'm inclined to agree with you and I thought the following quotes from Paul Westhead were enlightening: "Plenty of coaches agree in the offseason that they're going to run more next year," Westhead said. "Players' eyes light up, and there's kind of an approving smile on their faces. But between the first day of practice and the first game, everyone is over it. Accommodations have been made. "The running game is too hard for the players. ... And if they aren't fully committed to it, it's doomed to fail." Quote
Class of 82 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 Hey Johnny... I do not see us trying to play Loyola Marymount type basketball. But that's not the only kind of up-tempo game there is. Dambrot's a defensive-minded coach, and there's no way that's going to fundamentally change. So when KD talks about a quicker pace, I think he's talking about more... and I hope a lot more... pressure defense. More full-court pressure after made baskets. More half-court pressure. More traps. More looks for the outlet pass off defensive rebounds and blocked shots. Etc. We have the personnel and depth to play that sort of game pretty darned well, if you ask me. And if we do play it well, playing Akron is going to be a miserable experience for their opponents. Quote
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 More full-court pressure after made baskets. More half-court pressure. More traps.In my heart, I wanted it to be offense, but in my mind I know when it comes to KD, it is defense. Quote
Class of 82 Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 In my heart, I wanted it to be offense, but in my mind I know when it comes to KD, it is defense. No, Doc, this is a good thing! Forty minutes of absolute hell on earth.... for the other guys. P.S. There's more than one way to play a fast-paced, exciting brand of basketball. And you don't have to score 120 points to beat people by 30. Go Zips! Quote
johnnyzip84 Posted October 23, 2012 Author Report Posted October 23, 2012 Co82, those are good points regarding there being different ways to increase tempo without going all oug Moe (no D) on your players I really wasn’t expecting a UA version of showtime, but the use of various pressure defenses to lead to easy buckets is always welcome in my book. Here’s to hoping KD pulls the trigger on some of this in 2012-2013. Quote
Dr Z Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 No, Doc, this is a good thing! Forty minutes of absolute hell on earth.... for the other guys.I hope your right. Can a team keep that up for 40 minutes? I might rent out a defibrillator for the games just incase. Good backup for fans obnoxiously squawking at the refs too. Quote
zipinnc Posted October 23, 2012 Report Posted October 23, 2012 For this team the key to being "Up tempo' will be having a PG that knows "When to go and when to slow." Alex has shown flashes of this and we might be seeing the influence of Melo on an upperclassman. If you can always have a ballhandler on the floor, you can control tempo better. Quote
Districtballer Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 Yeah I've heard this from a lot of fans of different schools. It almost always means defense and not offense. It sounds like most fans who talk about that want to play like we do at VCU and that's what I saw described in this thread. That is EXTREMELY difficult to do because it requires tremendous work ethic and discipline within the system to pull off. I think Akron has the athleticism and talent to play that way. I have no idea about whether they have the work ethic to run that kind of system however. That's something only KD and those who know the players mental make-ups can answer. I know how hard we work here at VCU and a lot of college coaches think it's very extreme. That's what it takes to run that kind of system effectively though. Quote
Class of 82 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 Yeah I've heard this from a lot of fans of different schools. It almost always means defense and not offense. It sounds like most fans who talk about that want to play like we do at VCU and that's what I saw described in this thread. That is EXTREMELY difficult to do because it requires tremendous work ethic and discipline within the system to pull off. I think Akron has the athleticism and talent to play that way. I have no idea about whether they have the work ethic to run that kind of system however. Hi District, Totally agree with you. And that's what I was driving at above. If you're going to press after every basket you get on the break, there is zero time for celebration or showboating. You dunk it home or lay it in and get to your spot on defense... instantly. If you don't, you defeat the whole purpose of what you're trying to accomplish, because as often as not the other team just breaks it right back on you. (If you want to celebrate your dunk, wait until a frustrated opponent calls time out.) And you're right, too, that what Shaka is doing at VCU is a pretty solid description of what Akron could do as well. And I think they can. I think we have great, talented kids who want to win and who trust that coach Dambrot knows what he's doing. Furthermore, they all want playing time, and they know full well that they won't get it if they go to sleep on defense. Quote
Class of 82 Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 For this team the key to being "Up tempo' will be having a PG that knows "When to go and when to slow." Alex has shown flashes of this and we might be seeing the influence of Melo on an upperclassman. If you can always have a ballhandler on the floor, you can control tempo better. Great point. I still wish Quincy were in the mix though. We've still got an outstanding and versatile team, but his effort and ability and versatility are going to be missed, big time. Quote
Captain Kangaroo Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 Great point. I still wish Quincy were in the mix though. Wish in one hand... It is a drawback in some respects to not have Quincy, but it is a great opportunity for another player to fill the void. People seem to only remember the positives...Q had drawbacks too. On some teams a player like Q would be irreplaceable. On this Zips team, he is replaceable. Quote
TJX Posted October 24, 2012 Report Posted October 24, 2012 Wish in one hand... It is a drawback in some respects to not have Quincy, but it is a great opportunity for another player to fill the void. People seem to only remember the positives...Q had drawbacks too. On some teams a player like Q would be irreplaceable. On this Zips team, he is replaceable. Yes I wonder who will "replace" this this season. Quote
Jalapeño Zippy Posted October 25, 2012 Report Posted October 25, 2012 I will miss watching him play and I hope we didn't see his last game as a Zip. Quote
LZIp Posted October 26, 2012 Report Posted October 26, 2012 Yes I wonder who will "replace" this this season. He is a solid player that made some dumb mistakes. (Throwing the ball at an OU player down in OU). He had his bright moments along with his dumb ones. If whoever replaces him will be in that middle ground, I will be content. Quote
GoZips Posted November 1, 2012 Report Posted November 1, 2012 Did the Zips run more last night? The final score was 111-72. Or, 183 total points. Those kind of scores do not occur when the ball is walked up the floor. Quote
Dave in Green Posted November 1, 2012 Report Posted November 1, 2012 The two teams combined for 153 field goal attempts -- 79 by the Zips and 74 for Tiffin -- in 40 minutes of play. That averages out to a shot every 16 seconds. There wasn't a lot of standing around. Quote
Hilltopper Posted November 1, 2012 Report Posted November 1, 2012 Tiffin tried to play some zone D to slow things down, it didn't work. Quote
Dr Z Posted November 10, 2012 Report Posted November 10, 2012 Hard to tell from just listening on the radio, for anyone at the game, how did the "running" look? Quote
Dr Z Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I can answer my own question now, got to watch the Zips today against OSU... we are coached exactly as we have been in the past with KD. I see no difference. Quote
Blue & Gold Posted November 15, 2012 Report Posted November 15, 2012 I can answer my own question now, got to watch the Zips today against OSU... we are coached exactly as we have been in the past with KD. I see no difference. +1. Perimeter pass, pass, pass, pass, pass, pass... launch from 3. Inbounds play to end regulation... Zeke launch from 3. Up by 4 w/ 2-minutes to play... sloooooow waaaaaay dooooooown & play not to lose. Quote
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