GP1 Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 Article on subsidizing 100 year debts at universities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Z.I.P. Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Article on subsidizing 100 year debts at universities. Spot on!: "Students are left to pile up more debt while colleges indulge in their Edifice Complex -- building luxury dorms and gyms and stadiums (all “sustainable,” of course) at the expense of poorer students." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted November 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Spot on!: "Students are left to pile up more debt while colleges indulge in their Edifice Complex -- building luxury dorms and gyms and stadiums (all “sustainable,” of course) at the expense of poorer students." It would be funny if it wasn't so concerning. I'm not sure when it started to get so out of control, but the "building process" is completely out of control. Maybe I'm crazy, or maybe I'm the only sane person in a room full of crazy people, but there are a couple of arguments that take place about the "building process" at universities. Let it be known that I am a fan of taking a cab/limo from the airport to my hotel because it speeds up completion of the task of getting from the airport to the hotel. It seems to make total sense to me. I am not a fan of taking the Super Shuttle from the airport to my hotel as it can lead to too many stops between the airport and my hotel, making no sense to me at all because it requires me to do a bunch of things that don't directly help me achieve my goal. I still believe the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The first argument is the Super Shuttle argument...if we build gyms, luxury dorms, football stadiums, softball stadiums, etc. it will attract more students and will give the school more money so they can provide a better education. So basically, let's do 15 things to make one thing work. Seems to over complicate the issue to me. Ya GP1, but you still got to the hotel. That is correct; however, along the way a fat lady hit me in the head with her ass getting out of the Shuttle, the fumes made me want to throw up, I had to sit by a European guy who hadn't bathed on at least two days, my back is killing me because the shocks were destroyed on the van, the springs in the seat are poking me in a place I would rather not be poked and I missed the presentation because I had to stop at every freaking hotel along the way. The cab/limo argument. Wouldn't it be better to pour a bunch of money into the direct stream of educating people? Better labs. Better professors. Better research. Fund tuition for top notch students so they could study under these great professors doing cutting edge research. An actual building process of making education better and not building structures so presidents and ADs can put it on their resume for their next job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 An actual building process of making education better and not building structures so presidents and ADs can put it on their resume for their next job. Couldn't agree more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Article My bet is Temple is the tip of the iceberg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It would be funny if it wasn't so concerning. I'm not sure when it started to get so out of control, but the "building process" is completely out of control. Maybe I'm crazy, or maybe I'm the only sane person in a room full of crazy people, but there are a couple of arguments that take place about the "building process" at universities. Let it be known that I am a fan of taking a cab/limo from the airport to my hotel because it speeds up completion of the task of getting from the airport to the hotel. It seems to make total sense to me. I am not a fan of taking the Super Shuttle from the airport to my hotel as it can lead to too many stops between the airport and my hotel, making no sense to me at all because it requires me to do a bunch of things that don't directly help me achieve my goal. I still believe the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The first argument is the Super Shuttle argument...if we build gyms, luxury dorms, football stadiums, softball stadiums, etc. it will attract more students and will give the school more money so they can provide a better education. So basically, let's do 15 things to make one thing work. Seems to over complicate the issue to me. Ya GP1, but you still got to the hotel. That is correct; however, along the way a fat lady hit me in the head with her ass getting out of the Shuttle, the fumes made me want to throw up, I had to sit by a European guy who hadn't bathed on at least two days, my back is killing me because the shocks were destroyed on the van, the springs in the seat are poking me in a place I would rather not be poked and I missed the presentation because I had to stop at every freaking hotel along the way. The cab/limo argument. Wouldn't it be better to pour a bunch of money into the direct stream of educating people? Better labs. Better professors. Better research. Fund tuition for top notch students so they could study under these great professors doing cutting edge research. An actual building process of making education better and not building structures so presidents and ADs can put it on their resume for their next job. This is what i have been trying to say with regards to my disappointment in attendance at our sports teams game. I initially thought is was a great idea to make a play to gain recognition through success on the playing field. It can pay off if there is support. Lets face it OSU is a fine school but they are a preferred choice because of sports programs and the recognition they get from that…..I promise you their buildings, labs, teachers, research are funded through the sports programs (alumni), it is great way to become self-sufficient. Ask young kids what they think is a better college - OSU or Northwestern…..they would likely say OSU. I said it before and I will say it again…if UoA does not prosper, the city will stagnate. How are we going to attract the top professors, student…..by waiting for the state to give us money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It would be funny if it wasn't so concerning. I'm not sure when it started to get so out of control, but the "building process" is completely out of control. Maybe I'm crazy, or maybe I'm the only sane person in a room full of crazy people, but there are a couple of arguments that take place about the "building process" at universities. Let it be known that I am a fan of taking a cab/limo from the airport to my hotel because it speeds up completion of the task of getting from the airport to the hotel. It seems to make total sense to me. I am not a fan of taking the Super Shuttle from the airport to my hotel as it can lead to too many stops between the airport and my hotel, making no sense to me at all because it requires me to do a bunch of things that don't directly help me achieve my goal. I still believe the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The first argument is the Super Shuttle argument...if we build gyms, luxury dorms, football stadiums, softball stadiums, etc. it will attract more students and will give the school more money so they can provide a better education. So basically, let's do 15 things to make one thing work. Seems to over complicate the issue to me. Ya GP1, but you still got to the hotel. That is correct; however, along the way a fat lady hit me in the head with her ass getting out of the Shuttle, the fumes made me want to throw up, I had to sit by a European guy who hadn't bathed on at least two days, my back is killing me because the shocks were destroyed on the van, the springs in the seat are poking me in a place I would rather not be poked and I missed the presentation because I had to stop at every freaking hotel along the way. The cab/limo argument. Wouldn't it be better to pour a bunch of money into the direct stream of educating people? Better labs. Better professors. Better research. Fund tuition for top notch students so they could study under these great professors doing cutting edge research. An actual building process of making education better and not building structures so presidents and ADs can put it on their resume for their next job. This is what i have been trying to say with regards to my disappointment in attendance at our sports teams game. I initially thought is was a great idea to make a play to gain recognition through success on the playing field. It can pay off if there is support. Lets face it OSU is a fine school but they are a preferred choice because of sports programs and the recognition they get from that…..I promise you their buildings, labs, teachers, research are funded through the sports programs (alumni), it is great way to become self-sufficient. Ask young kids what they think is a better college - OSU or Northwestern…..they would likely say OSU. I said it before and I will say it again…if UoA does not prosper, the city will stagnate. How are we going to attract the top professors, student…..by waiting for the state to give us money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 It would be funny if it wasn't so concerning. I'm not sure when it started to get so out of control, but the "building process" is completely out of control. Maybe I'm crazy, or maybe I'm the only sane person in a room full of crazy people, but there are a couple of arguments that take place about the "building process" at universities. Let it be known that I am a fan of taking a cab/limo from the airport to my hotel because it speeds up completion of the task of getting from the airport to the hotel. It seems to make total sense to me. I am not a fan of taking the Super Shuttle from the airport to my hotel as it can lead to too many stops between the airport and my hotel, making no sense to me at all because it requires me to do a bunch of things that don't directly help me achieve my goal. I still believe the shortest distance between two points is a straight line. The first argument is the Super Shuttle argument...if we build gyms, luxury dorms, football stadiums, softball stadiums, etc. it will attract more students and will give the school more money so they can provide a better education. So basically, let's do 15 things to make one thing work. Seems to over complicate the issue to me. Ya GP1, but you still got to the hotel. That is correct; however, along the way a fat lady hit me in the head with her ass getting out of the Shuttle, the fumes made me want to throw up, I had to sit by a European guy who hadn't bathed on at least two days, my back is killing me because the shocks were destroyed on the van, the springs in the seat are poking me in a place I would rather not be poked and I missed the presentation because I had to stop at every freaking hotel along the way. The cab/limo argument. Wouldn't it be better to pour a bunch of money into the direct stream of educating people? Better labs. Better professors. Better research. Fund tuition for top notch students so they could study under these great professors doing cutting edge research. An actual building process of making education better and not building structures so presidents and ADs can put it on their resume for their next job. This is what i have been trying to say with regards to my disappointment in attendance at our sports teams game. I initially thought is was a great idea to make a play to gain recognition through success on the playing field. It can pay off if there is support. Lets face it OSU is a fine school but they are a preferred choice because of sports programs and the recognition they get from that…..I promise you their buildings, labs, teachers, research are funded through the sports programs (alumni), it is great way to become self-sufficient. Ask young kids what they think is a better college - OSU or Northwestern…..they would likely say OSU. I said it before and I will say it again…if UoA does not prosper, the city will stagnate. How are we going to attract the top professors, student…..by waiting for the state to give us money? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Article My bet is Temple is the tip of the iceberg. The best part is that at the end of the article, they mention building a new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LZIp Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 didn't read the article, but heard the news. The don't even have a stadium now, do they? I thought they played at Eagles stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted December 8, 2013 Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 Article My bet is Temple is the tip of the iceberg. Temple, with the rest of the AAC, is facing a loss of millions of dollars in BCS bowl revenue after this season, now that they're being relegated to being one of the little guys. Expect teams like Cinci and UConn to follow suit shortly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 8, 2013 The best part is that at the end of the article, they mention building a new stadium. It's truly insane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a-zip Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It's truly insane. It is a "live or die" situation right now. I think UoA made a play to become a player and it does not appear the community is supporting it. Until the community does, we should not build arenas, cut our losses and move on. Say bye bye to Dambrot, Bowden eventually. If you are not a part of the new super conferences, you are going to be f&cked from a sport standpoint. So somebody tell me how UoA is going to flourish after that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 It is a "live or die" situation right now. I think UoA made a play to become a player and it does not appear the community is supporting it. Until the community does, we should not build arenas, cut our losses and move on. Say bye bye to Dambrot, Bowden eventually. If you are not a part of the new super conferences, you are going to be f&cked from a sport standpoint. So somebody tell me how UoA is going to flourish after that? The mac isn't flourishing now. It's neither alive, nor dead....sort of like the ncaa's version of a zombie. Dambrot and Bowden aren't going anywhere. I"ve mentioned it before, but I'll say it again...the links in the Deadspin article say the same thing. The "Building Process" is so out of control, the only way to sustain it is forcing the general student population to pay excessive student fees financed through student loans and through taxpayer dollars. It's the only answer for schools like Akron and most BCS level schools as well. The "facilities" and everything that word encompasses are mostly completed. Now the real cost is maintaining them. It is going to be a huge challenges for universities, but they did it to themselves and there was never anyone out there even hinting that it might be a mistake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buckzip Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Article My bet is Temple is the tip of the iceberg. I bet a lot of schools are in or are heading in the same direction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted December 9, 2013 Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Glad the article mentioned opportunity cost so football at Temple which just cost about 150 athletes their opportunities and football in general (since it takes so many playesr) also has an oppotunity cost for many non-football playing male athletes because of title nine. With all of the injuries associated with it maybe this would fit into the "Will we always have football?" thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted December 9, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 9, 2013 Glad the article mentioned opportunity cost so football at Temple which just cost about 150 athletes their opportunities and football in general (since it takes so many playesr) also has an oppotunity cost for many non-football playing male athletes because of title nine. With all of the injuries associated with it maybe this would fit into the "Will we always have football?" thread. There has to be football and MBB to at least try to make some attempt to support the "building process". Without those, the bubble bursts sooner rather than later. I'm not even certain that for most schools, the bubble ever bursts because most of the players are publicly funded schools. That being the case, regardless of how bad it gets, the taxpayers will soak up the costs. Worse yet, they will just continue to increase the student fees. It's vulgar and obscene on many levels, yet we all continue to watch and support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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