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[Zips Win!]

A 4 team playoff is better than what we have now, but I think we need a minimum of 8 teams to get a real feel for it.

Be careful for what you wish for or think is better!

With an 8-team playoff, you honks will need to win 3 games against very good competition.

When was the last decade you played three very good teams in one season, let alone in a four-week time span.

[MDZip]

Other than to make one smart alecky comment, I've kind of stayed out of this because I don't really have a dog in the fight. With the Article GP1 linked to there are at least five (and I would argue a few more) that could have a good argument to be in the hunt for the National Championship. I love that they are going to a four team playoff next year and I hope the same sort of quagmire (giggity) occurs so that eventually the College Presidents and AD's get involved and force a real full scale playoff (it would be fun for Auburn to win the SECC and get shut out of the National Championship just so their AD can sceam and holler loud enough to get the process started to expand it beyond 4). Don't care about any of the jockeying that is occuring now, I just want it to eventually force the real playoff. And please NIU, send the BCS out with an upraised middle finger by winning tomorrow night.

[Buckzip]

Other than to make one smart alecky comment, I've kind of stayed out of this because I don't really have a dog in the fight. With the Article GP1 linked to there are at least five (and I would argue a few more) that could have a good argument to be in the hunt for the National Championship. I love that they are going to a four team playoff next year and I hope the same sort of quagmire (giggity) occurs so that eventually the College Presidents and AD's get involved and force a real full scale playoff (it would be fun for Auburn to win the SECC and get shut out of the National Championship just so their AD can sceam and holler loud enough to get the process started to expand it beyond 4). Don't care about any of the jockeying that is occuring now, I just want it to eventually force the real playoff. And please NIU, send the BCS out with an upraised middle finger by winning tomorrow night.

Like I said earlier somewhere in the thread. The BCS is a very flawed system. I am not sure how many times the 2 best teams at the end of the season actually were the 2 teams that played for the championship.

Like I said, 4 teams is better than what we have now, but 8 teams would be better.

[GP1]

I am not sure how many times the 2 best teams at the end of the season actually were the 2 teams that played for the championship.

Happens all the time in the NCAA Basketball Tournament.

The mistake people make is believing a tournament decides the best team of a group. That is a mistake for a couple of main reasons.

1. Teams match up differently and since not every team in a tournament plays each other, it is impossible to prove which is better of that group.

2. A tournament rewards being great for a short period and not a greater body of work. See NC State with Valvano.

A tournament does not always reward the best team in the country. It rewards the team that was able to make it through a bracket system without losing a game. There is a difference there.

[Buckzip]

Happens all the time in the NCAA Basketball Tournament.

The mistake people make is believing a tournament decides the best team of a group. That is a mistake for a couple of main reasons.

1. Teams match up differently and since not every team in a tournament plays each other, it is impossible to prove which is better of that group.

2. A tournament rewards being great for a short period and not a greater body of work. See NC State with Valvano.

A tournament does not always reward the best team in the country. It rewards the team that was able to make it through a bracket system without losing a game. There is a difference there.

Good point. Except it is proven on the court or field. Just being appointed to play in the game is not much better than when the AP and UPI just said this team is #1.

You could use your argument for the NBA, NFL and MLB too.

At least it's decided on the field.

[GP1]

You could use your argument for the NBA, NFL and MLB too.

Actually, MLB, NBA and NHL all have better playoff systems as a team must win a series of games over another team to prove they are better. Nobody can have a bad game and be out of the playoffs.

[Buckzip]

Actually, MLB, NBA and NHL all have better playoff systems as a team must win a series of games over another team to prove they are better. Nobody can have a bad game and be out of the playoffs.

But that still doesn't mean the 2 best teams are playing. It just proves which is best of those 2 teams

Somewhat.

[GP1]

But that still doesn't mean the 2 best teams are playing. It just proves which is best of those 2 teams

Somewhat.

True. Nothing is perfect.

[Dr Z]

Actually, MLB, NBA and NHL all have better playoff systems as a team must win a series of games over another team to prove they are better. Nobody can have a bad game and be out of the playoffs.

March Madness is the best tournament going for my entertainment value. Todays NHL playoffs are a close second. NFL playoffs used to be better, but the quality of play has reduced the the quality of games, dropping it to third for me. College football post season is a distant fourth, but is pretty meaningless due to the system in place. MLB then NBA (without LBJ in CLE, with, is a different story).

[Dave in Green]

I actually agreed with everything he said about NIU last year. His main argument was NIU had lost to a horrible Iowa team and didn't deserve a BCS game because of it. In my opinion, that is a true.

This year, he has not dumped on NIU because they are undefeated and the deserve to be there. I would agree. NIU deserves to be there this year. ...

As I said earlier in this thread, there's logic in favoring a team that loses earlier in the season rather than later. A team that was strong early in the season can fall apart, and a team that started slowly could evolve into the best at the end of the season. Last season NIU lost their first game of the season by 1 point to what would turn out to be an uncharacteristically weak Iowa team. NIU then ran the table while all the other teams vying for the final BCS bowl slot were losing 2 or more games later in the season. NIU was at its best when it counted the most. The same BCS formula has been in effect both seasons, and NIU has earned its way both seasons so far by winning all the games it needed to win to earn a BCS bowl slot by the same formula that every team has to live and die by.

[GP1]

March Madness is the best tournament going for my entertainment value. Todays NHL playoffs are a close second. NFL playoffs used to be better, but the quality of play has reduced the the quality of games, dropping it to third for me. College football post season is a distant fourth, but is pretty meaningless due to the system in place. MLB then NBA (without LBJ in CLE, with, is a different story).

You and I see the world very similarly. I like the ncaa tournament because it feeds my impatience. I like quick resolutions to things and the ncaa tournament provides that escape for me. One game, you go home or keep going.

[skip-zip]

@GeorgeThomasABJ tweeted this.

Nothing even needs to be said. I 100% agree with him.

[LZIp]

Nothing even needs to be said. I 100% agree with him.

I know we don't like to use facts to bash OSU every chance that we can, but he was talking about getting in over a 1-loss Michigan team, not undefeated. If OSU had the same record as a SEC opponent, the SEC team would be in over them. Don't know why I keep responding.

[GP1]

Don't know why I keep responding.

Because the endless desire to defend tosu by people from Ohio has reached a mass paranoia level.

Just watch cable news tonight instead. You can catch on the War on Christmas stories.

[LZIp]

Because the endless desire to defend tosu by people from Ohio has reached a mass paranoia level.

Just watch cable news tonight instead. You can catch on the War on Christmas stories.

Just like the endless desire to bash OSU with no objectivity.No cable for me tonight. After this SVSM game, I'll be celebrating finishing my last class of college

[Buckzip]

Just like the endless desire to bash OSU with no objectivity.No cable for me tonight. After this SVSM game, I'll be celebrating finishing my last class of college

You could be stuck in Dallas with an ice storm.

[LZIp]

You could be stuck in Dallas with an ice storm.

That would be great. Love Dallas. Possibly moving there one day.

[Buckzip]

That would be great. Love Dallas. Possibly moving there one day.

I like Dallas. The only problem is I live in Georgia.

[skip-zip]

Because the endless desire to defend tosu by people from Ohio has reached a mass paranoia level.

No kidding. Yet, some of them decide to do it HERE, on a ZIPS chat site, where they are regarded as a competitor.

I continue to wonder: Wouldn't it be much easier for them to spew this rhetoric on sites where the rest of their robotic, programmed followers will nod in approval at everything they write?

[LZIp]

No kidding. Yet, some of them decide to do it HERE, on a ZIPS chat site, where they are regarded as a competitor.

I continue to wonder: Wouldn't it be much easier for them to spew this rhetoric on sites where the rest of their robotic, programmed followers will nod in approval at everything they write?

You are obsessed with OSU more than anybody else on this site.

Hope this helps.

[Dave in Green]

ZipsNation.org is "the unofficial web home for Akron Zips fans." It's common accepted practice for fans to dump on other teams when they're posting on their own team's web home. It gets awkward when fans with split allegiances try to push their Team B agenda on the Team A forum.

[Buckzip]

ZipsNation.org is "the unofficial web home for Akron Zips fans." It's common accepted practice for fans to dump on other teams when they're posting on their own team's web home. It gets awkward when fans with split allegiances try to push their Team B agenda on the Team A forum.

Don't you feel that to push an agenda you need to be bringing them up your self?

[Buckzip]

ZipsNation.org is "the unofficial web home for Akron Zips fans." It's common accepted practice for fans to dump on other teams when they're posting on their own team's web home. It gets awkward when fans with split allegiances try to push their Team B agenda on the Team A forum.

Don't you feel that to push an agenda you need to be bringing them up yourself?

I don't ever recall anyone starting a Pro OSU thread here. But I sure remember a lot of anti-OSU threads. Then the babies get upset when they are called out. LOL.

And, of course, we can never let facts get in the way of a good OSU hate fest. LOL.

Like I have said before, it's amusing seeing this unfold. People don't know how foolish they make themselves look.

[zippy5]

So last night's NIU game got me thinking, since it was the last BCS buster chance for a MAC team. With the playoff format, what is the best case scenario for a MAC team? (Please please please do not turn this into a create our own division/spring football/drop to FCS discussion). I'm wondering what there realistically is for us out there now in the FBS. As much as everyone hated the BCS, we had a chance to "bust" it and force our way into a game. I guess what I'm saying is, what are the "big" bowls now, with the playoff? Can we even get in an Orange Bowl anymore, or are we fully tied to MAC bowls if we don't make the 4 team playoff?

[LZIp]

I haven't read much on it lately...but here is what I believe they said will happen. There are still BCS bowls (I think?!). You have 5 AQ conferences in B1G, SEC, Big 12, PAC 12, and ACC. The AAC is losing its AQ big after this season, and the 6th AQ bid will go to the highest ranked team out of all the "mid-majors", including the AAC.