skip-zip Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 Be careful of what you wish for. The BCS worked perfectly this season. Not only were the two best teams matched up, but for the most part the BCS games were great. I'm not really in favor of a multiple-team playoff, but I am willing to give the new system a chance, since they profess that SOS will play a much bigger factor. This crap where this team down in Cowlumbus gets to the verge of playing in title games frequently, when they play nobody, has to end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 I'm not really in favor of a multiple-team playoff, but I am willing to give the new system a chance, There is no retreat in college athletics. Once they start down a path, they continue until things "grow" out of control and into total idiocy. I'm in favor of the four team playoff as well; however, I know they won't stop there and sooner rather than later it will be a 16 team playoff. One year from today, there will be talking heads on TV discussing expanding the playoff to two "wild card teams" and giving a bye to two teams...mark my words. Teams making it deep into the playoffs will have to play 15 to 16 games and no college kid is going to be able to handle the punishment against high level competition. Not that ADs and fans will care, but there will be a large number of injuries to kids playing far into the playoffs...If there is money to be made, what do they care if a cripple is created here or there? There is a reason the NFL doesn't want kids showing up at 19 years old to play in the NFL. It's not just that they see college as a minor league, which it isn't in every sense, but anyhow. They know their bodies cannot handle the punishment so they want them to stay in school until their bodies develop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 There is no retreat in college athletics. Once they start down a path, they continue until things "grow" out of control and into total idiocy. I'm in favor of the four team playoff as well; however, I know they won't stop there and sooner rather than later it will be a 16 team playoff. One year from today, there will be talking heads on TV discussing expanding the playoff to two "wild card teams" and giving a bye to two teams...mark my words. Teams making it deep into the playoffs will have to play 15 to 16 games and no college kid is going to be able to handle the punishment against high level competition. Not that ADs and fans will care, but there will be a large number of injuries to kids playing far into the playoffs...If there is money to be made, what do they care if a cripple is created here or there? There is a reason the NFL doesn't want kids showing up at 19 years old to play in the NFL. It's not just that they see college as a minor league, which it isn't in every sense, but anyhow. They know their bodies cannot handle the punishment so they want them to stay in school until their bodies develop. Oh, I don't disagree with you. I just hope you paid close attention to the fact that I am willing to try a new system for other reasons, as I stated. But, it could very well turn into a mess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 7, 2014 Report Share Posted January 7, 2014 What's the point of having a "National Championship" if all teams in a division never get a legitimate chance to play for it? How about we do away with Football National Championships all together. If we cannot make a system that keeps kids safe/encourages kids to stay focused on studies, or give a fair shot at any team in the division, than do away with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 As you grow older and go through this exercise over and over and over, you eventually come to the realization that there's no perfect system. No matter what system is in place, people will find fault with it and complain about it. That's because there's no system without fault that's above complaint. Systems are designed by people, and there are no people without fault. So the people who complain about imperfect systems designed by imperfect people are no more perfect than whatever system they're complaining about. Watch a gerbil running endlessly on an exercise wheel and imagine yourself debating the perfect college football playoff system for the rest of your life. Hopefully the gerbil is having fun, and we should, too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spin Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 What's the point of having a "National Championship" if all teams in a division never get a legitimate chance to play for it? How about we do away with Football National Championships all together. If we cannot make a system that keeps kids safe/encourages kids to stay focused on studies, or give a fair shot at any team in the division, than do away with it. Agreed, SOS is pure BS. Not only is it not fair to anyone outside the darling conferences, it also brings in every chance for favoritism and politics that have made D1A football a joke (in my mind) since the bowls and then the BCS systems meant dollar signs. Look no further than when TCU and Boise had their golden season, there was no way in hell the powers-that-be were going to let them even sniff the championship game. SOS, legacy conference, all that other bullshit was shoveled at us. I'm not saying that either could have won, but I knew right then what I suspected all along. We need an 8 team playoff. Conference champions from the boy's club conferences, and two at-large spots for the other conferences, and Notre Dame if they happen to win 11 or 12 games. Make it a REAL championship. Not a popularity contest, And don't give me no crap about the poor student athletes. The boys on D3 do just fine with their playoffs and their grades, and they're working toward real degrees. If TCU or Boise or Akron had a strong national fanbase and "travelled well" they/we would be in the boy's club too. If you're not in the boy's club errrr "legacy programs", you're crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 We need an 8 team playoff. IN AN AUCTIONEERS VOICE...."Can I get a 10?" My question is this. Why are more teams always the answer? Why couldn't we have a four team system that, every year, refines the way it selects teams so it becomes more perfected the next year? The quest for perfection should outweigh the quest for "more". Everyone should keep in mind that a tournament does not always crown the best team. The NCAA basketball tournament rarely crowns the best team on college basketball. A tournament sets up brackets to get a group of games down to two teams and then crown the winner of the tournament. The NFL is not in a "playoff" right now, it is in a tournament. So, let's not pretend that more teams makes a tournament better. It just makes it more of the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 And don't give me no crap about the poor student athletes. The boys on D3 do just fine with their playoffs and their grades, and they're working toward real degrees. They play fewer games throughout the season (10) and don't have conference championships. They also aren't subjected to the same level of physicality as they D1 players are. I'd be OK if a fan just said they could care less about the well being of the players and whether or not they graduate. In the end, I think most fans could really care less about the well being of the players and graduation rates. The honesty would be a breath of fresh air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 How about we do away with Football National Championships all together. If the problem is too many teams competing in D1A, then solve the problem by eliminating some of the teams in D1A. The better system is to have fewer teams and better competition throughout the season, not more teams and less competition between teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 I wish I knew about THIS before the game. A couple of my friends watched and said they liked it. I would have turned to anything not to hear Dustburger say "just get us to the fourth quarter" one more time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 Agreed, SOS is pure BS. But, you can't rely on a team's record either. That's the whole debate. How do you determine the best teams? Can you imagine what you would have seen on Monday night if the Little 10 had never played a championship game this year, and the "perfect" OSWho team would have been inserted into the National title game? This is why you can't put a team into the #2 spot at the beginning of the season when they don't play anyone. Their path to the national title game becomes way too easy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 But, you can't rely on a team's record either. That's the whole debate. How do you determine the best teams? Can you imagine what you would have seen on Monday night if the Little 10 had never played a championship game this year, and the "perfect" OSWho team would have been inserted into the National title game? This is why you can't put a team into the #2 spot at the beginning of the season when they don't play anyone. Their path to the national title game becomes way too easy. This is why we stop trying to determine "best teams" altogether. It's a BS Money grab parading itself as a student organization, that only really allows teams that can make money the opportunity to achieve the top positions. It's Bogus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 This was released today by CNN. I didn't want to start a new discussion on it...but some student athletes having a 6th grade reading level. Thoughts on the admissions processes of college athletics, especially at high-academic universities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GP1 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 This was released today by CNN. I didn't want to start a new discussion on it...but some student athletes having a 6th grade reading level. Thoughts on the admissions processes of college athletics, especially at high-academic universities? It's not really anything new. Lots of opportunities for improvement in the admissions process at many schools. Schools can let in anyone they want. The ncaa sets standards for eligibility. The problem is what goes on between when a kid gets in school and becomes eligible...lots can happen between those two points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skip-zip Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 only really allows teams that can make money the opportunity to achieve the top positions. I agree with you 100% on that. Go back and look at the BCS era, and see how many times OSWho got a "Wild Card" bid to a BCS Bowl game, when they wouldn't have qualified otherwise. Do you think that has anything to do with the size of their school, and therefore the size of their alumni population? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zippy5 Posted January 8, 2014 Report Share Posted January 8, 2014 This is why we stop trying to determine "best teams" altogether. How lame would sports be if we adopted this idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 9, 2014 Report Share Posted January 9, 2014 I wish I knew about THIS before the game. A couple of my friends watched and said they liked it. I would have turned to anything not to hear Dustburger say "just get us to the fourth quarter" one more time. I thought I heard this but a lot was going on around me when it happened. I think the time has come. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Slowhio really got out run, out coached and out toughed by a better msu team. Congratulations to Mark Dantonio for solidifying himself as the top coach in the BT with the best team. Congratulations and a fond farewell to the BCS for once again being right about who should be in the title game.It will be interesting to see how Dantonio handles this Jayru Campbell situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Z Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 It will be interesting to see how Dantonio handles this Jayru Campbell situation.Move him to defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sergeant Zip Posted January 23, 2014 Report Share Posted January 23, 2014 Kid has had a tough life in the D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDZip Posted January 24, 2014 Report Share Posted January 24, 2014 The MAC just released their final football attendance figures. Zips didn't do too badly but surprisingly Buffalo led the conference in attendance. And poor EMU, terrible football attendance and only 603 showed up at the basketball game against the Zips which should have been a good draw. The weather may have hurt too but I don't see how they stay a D-1 program. Living in the shadow of UM is killing them. Buffalo -- 22,736 Ohio -- 20.672 Northern Illinois -- 20,669 Toledo -- 18,467 Akron -- 17,850 Western Michigan -- 17,347 Can't State -- 17,018 Miami -- 15,935 Massachusetts -- 15,830 Ball State -- 13,817 Central Michigan -- 13,224 Eastern Michigan -- 4,051 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pdt1420 Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 That's an absolutely fantastic showing! Both by number of bodies and rankings considering we didn't get hot until late when the weather got bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave in Green Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If only that represented actual "bodies" or butts in seats. The numbers shown are tickets sold. You have to subtract no-shows to get a true body count. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balsy Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If only that represented actual "bodies" or butts in seats. The numbers shown are tickets sold. You have to subtract no-shows to get a true body count. Though...it's still a positive sign. More tickets sold = more interest in supporting the program. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZachTheZip Posted January 25, 2014 Report Share Posted January 25, 2014 If only that represented actual "bodies" or butts in seats. The numbers shown are tickets sold. You have to subtract no-shows to get a true body count. Care to name any kind of paid event where they don't go by tickets sold as the number for attendance? There aren't any, and that's not just in sports. So why make "butts in seats" an issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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