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[zippy5]

And boom. There is the personal attack and having to bring OSU into the conversation. Lmao. Typical.

Did I say 1 thing about OSU? Yes or no?

I would mention you as part of the wonderful Akron fan base, but that would be putting myself down as I am part of the same fanbase.

All I said was I know you don't understand. I've already explained it and you missed it. I'm not doing it again.

I'm speechless. You imply I'm dumb/not understanding something and claim I make a personal attack. Pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, as for the SEC recruiting point I brought up.. Would you not agree the biggest contributors to A&M's win over Bama were freshmen?

[Buckzip]

Actually, I do think that Missouri might be a better overall team than Auburn. I think Auburn has caught a couple of really lucky breaks. Sometimes a team of destiny like that comes along and stays lucky right up through the end, and sometimes the coach turns into a pumpkin before midnight. I think this weekend's games are going to be really interesting. I also think the SEC will do well in the various bowls, but will not be invincible. We can revisit that in January.

If I could pick who I think are the best 2 teams it would be FSU and Oklahoma State.

Okie State has 1 loss but will never pass a 1 loss secheats team.

Okie state would beat most. If not all, of those secheats teams above them, but because of E$PiN they will never get a chance.

[Buckzip]

I'm speechless. You imply I'm dumb/not understanding something and claim I make a personal attack. Pot calling the kettle black.

Anyway, as for the SEC recruiting point I brought up.. Would you not agree the biggest contributors to A&M's win over Bama were freshmen?

I never said you were dumb. You read way too far into things and then attack and then have to attack my other alma mater. Don't worry though, I'm used to it hear. It amuses me.

Manziel was a RS Freshman. Recruited before they were in the secheats

[LZIp]

Or maybe going to the SEC helped their recruiting a little bit. Nah..

They are winning with Big 12 "talent". Those SEC recruits are freshman or sophomores. Evans and Mazniel were redshirt fresh last year, so they were recruited when A&M was still in the Big 12.

[Buckzip]

They are winning with Big 12 "talent". Those SEC recruits are freshman or sophomores. Evans and Mazniel were redshirt fresh last year, so they were recruited when A&M was still in the Big 12.

Been there, done that. Doesn't matter?

[Dave in Green]

@zippy5, the official announcement of Missouri and Texas A&M joining the SEC came in November 2011. That was good timing for 2012 commitments, so it's reasonable to think that they may have picked up a few key recruits who've helped improve their programs. It's also possible that they picked up some transfers, though I haven't really tried to analyze it in detail. But you're certainly right to suggest that those two programs are already enjoying the early benefits of being able to recruit as SEC teams. That would be at least a small advantage over Big 12 recruiting, which wasn't exactly shabby.

[zippy5]

@zippy5, the official announcement of Missouri and Texas A&M joining the SEC came in November 2011. That was good timing for 2012 commitments, so it's reasonable to think that they may have picked up a few key recruits who've helped improve their programs. It's also possible that they picked up some transfers, though I haven't really tried to analyze it in detail. But you're certainly right to suggest that those two programs are already enjoying the early benefits of being able to recruit as SEC teams. That would be at least a small advantage over Big 12 recruiting, which wasn't exactly shabby.

Along with Texas' stumbles, A&M definitely had some things going right for them on the recruiting trail. Buckzip's point seemed to be that the SEC wasn't that great because mediocre Big 12 teams could come in and win. A&M is ranked 24th, they're hardly dominating anyway. Mizzou took an extra year to compete, finishing with 2 SEC wins last year. Upon further review A&M went 2-2 against ranked SEC teams last year and beat old Big 12 foe OU 41-13 in the Sugar Bowl. So while they had a rough time with good SEC teams, #11 Oklahoma wasn't much of a challenge

[LZIp]

@zippy5, the official announcement of Missouri and Texas A&M joining the SEC came in November 2011. That was good timing for 2012 commitments, so it's reasonable to think that they may have picked up a few key recruits who've helped improve their programs. It's also possible that they picked up some transfers, though I haven't really tried to analyze it in detail. But you're certainly right to suggest that those two programs are already enjoying the early benefits of being able to recruit as SEC teams. That would be at least a small advantage over Big 12 recruiting, which wasn't exactly shabby.

That's a good point about when the announcement came. I'm sure it did help recruiting some..

Just because I'm bored, I went ahead and checked out Mike Evans and Manziel's commitment dates.

Evans committed 12/18/2010 http://247sports.com/Player/Mike-Evans-8372

Manziel's came sometime around 9/21/2010 http://www.mysanantonio.com/sports/college...-A-M-667451.php

[skip-zip]

If the measure of greatness in sports is winning, 7 straight national championships should be sufficient to remove all reasonable doubt. However, since sports fans are not reasonable, the debate will go on.

Especially Big 10 fans around here. They find some way to spin it. Laughable.

And they've done it with 4 different programs. Unbelievable. I don't think that kind of run, with that many different teams, will ever be equaled.

[legendofzippy]

Anyone on this board that brags about the SEC does so at the expense of the MAC. There are a few main culprits, but it's being done to take shots at OSU. I'll again point out that a 3-loss SEC teams sits just behind NIU in the BCS standings. I'm supposed to be happy about that? It's absurd. LSU is getting credit for what they and other SEC teams have done in the past. This year the SEC is good, but has not been dominant. And then there's Georgia. Plenty of losses, riddled with injuries, and a history of coming up small in big games. But they keep getting ranked.

Like it or not, the national perception of the MAC is that it's players who couldn't get into Big Ten schools. A stronger Big Ten is better for us. Midwest schools - Big Ten, MAC, Notre Dame - all need to perform better for us to be taken more seriously.

[InTheZone]

It sounds like Buckzip, similar to all Luckeye fans, has SEC penis envy.

[legendofzippy]

It sounds like Buckzip, similar to all Luckeye fans, has SEC penis envy.

The use of "Luckeye" shows your penis envy.

Come on, at least make it a challenge.

[zippy5]

There is a difference between "bragging" about the SEC and stating facts. I hate that conference as much as anyone, but they're the best. Plain and simple.

[Dave in Green]

@Legend of Zippy, citing results and standings is not "bragging," it's reality. I have no love for the SEC or hate for the B1G.

@zippy5, I just took a quick look at Rivals.com's rankings of recruiting classes for Texas A&M and Missouri for 2008-2013 to see how their recruiting classes improved from 3 seasons prior through the SEC announcement in 2011 and up until last season:

Texas A&M: 16, 22, 17, 27, 15, 11

Missouri: 25, 40, 21, 48, 31, 41

So it looks as if both schools took a hit in 2011 after the SEC announcement and had weaker recruiting classes. They bounced back some in their first season in the SEC, and then Texas A&M continued to improve while Missouri took another dive. Overall it appears that Texas A&M has benefitted a little more than Missouri from their SEC status. But from this alone it doesn't appear that the SEC gave them any special advantage over what they were already getting from the Big 12.

[zippy5]

@Legend of Zippy, citing results and standings is not "bragging," it's reality. I have no love for the SEC or hate for the B1G.

@zippy5, I just took a quick look at Rivals.com's rankings of recruiting classes for Texas A&M and Missouri for 2008-2013 to see how their recruiting classes improved from 3 seasons prior through the SEC announcement in 2011 and up until last season:

Texas A&M: 16, 22, 17, 27, 15, 11

Missouri: 25, 40, 21, 48, 31, 41

So it looks as if both schools took a hit in 2011 after the SEC announcement and had weaker recruiting classes. They bounced back some in their first season in the SEC, and then Texas A&M continued to improve while Missouri took another dive. Overall it appears that Texas A&M has benefitted a little more than Missouri from their SEC status. But from this alone it doesn't appear that the SEC gave them any special advantage over what they were already getting from the Big 12.

A&M's 2011 class was #27 - that was before the announcement. They jumped to #15, then 11, and are now at the third overall class for class of 2014 recruits.

[Dr Z]

There is a difference between "bragging" about the SEC and stating facts. I hate that conference as much as anyone, but they're the best. Plain and simple.

How many teams in the SEC would be favored to beat Columbus State in a bowl game?

[zippy5]

How many teams in the SEC would be favored to beat Columbus State in a bowl game?

Well I've read that as of now, OSU would be about 1.5 point favorite over Auburn. If I remember correctly, Bama would be favored over anyone. So I would assume just Bama.

[LZIp]

I saw this on twitter today, I mean I knew it, but never really thought of it. Out of the 7 straight SEC titles, Urban Meyer has two of them and Saban has 3. Is the conf outside of those two really "great"? Yes, LSU beat the crap out of OSU one year and Auburn won with Ca$h Newton..but I think it supports my theory that outside of Bama...its a crap shoot.

[skip-zip]

It sounds like Buckzip, similar to all Luckeye fans, has SEC penis envy.

You noticed that too?

The person who lashes out repeatedly with personal, child-like, multi-paragraph insults when someone uses the words Suckeyes and OSWho, is now including the word SECheats in his posts?

Note: This is a ZIPS chat board. Expect and accept that our competitors are going to be ridiculed.

[Buckzip]

I saw this on twitter today, I mean I knew it, but never really thought of it. Out of the 7 straight SEC titles, Urban Meyer has two of them and Saban has 3. Is the conf outside of those two really "great"? Yes, LSU beat the crap out of OSU one year and Auburn won with Ca$h Newton..but I think it supports my theory that outside of Bama...its a crap shoot.

Saban won with 2 different teams. That's impressive.

[Buckzip]

Well I've read that as of now, OSU would be about 1.5 point favorite over Auburn. If I remember correctly, Bama would be favored over anyone. So I would assume just Bama.

I think FSU and Okie State would both beat Bama this year.

[Buckzip]

Anyone on this board that brags about the SEC does so at the expense of the MAC. There are a few main culprits, but it's being done to take shots at OSU. I'll again point out that a 3-loss SEC teams sits just behind NIU in the BCS standings. I'm supposed to be happy about that? It's absurd. LSU is getting credit for what they and other SEC teams have done in the past. This year the SEC is good, but has not been dominant. And then there's Georgia. Plenty of losses, riddled with injuries, and a history of coming up small in big games. But they keep getting ranked.

Like it or not, the national perception of the MAC is that it's players who couldn't get into Big Ten schools. A stronger Big Ten is better for us. Midwest schools - Big Ten, MAC, Notre Dame - all need to perform better for us to be taken more seriously.

Yep.

[Buckzip]

The use of "Luckeye" shows your penis envy.

Come on, at least make it a challenge.

Irony can be so ironic. Lol.

[GP1]

Like it or not, the national perception of the MAC is that it's players who couldn't get into Big Ten schools. A stronger Big Ten is better for us. Midwest schools - Big Ten, MAC, Notre Dame - all need to perform better for us to be taken more seriously.

That is not the national perception of the the MAC or even close to the national perception. It's the perception of those who want the world to revolve around whatever large regional conference they live around. I'm sure there are some in Alabama (SEC fans) who believe it is important for the Sun Belt if the SEC is good. It's all fantasy. The perception from where I live, the souteast, is the mac is a good nonBCS conference that falls below the BCS level. That perception is true in fact and reality. It has nothing to do with the Big Ten or ND. It is important for members of the Big Ten if the Big Ten is good. It is important for ND for ND to be good. It is important for the MAC that the MAC is good.

The MAC is pulling its weight. The Big Ten and ND are not. We have no control over them and it makes no difference whatsoever to the mac how well those other two are playing. It doesn't hurt the Big Ten when the MAC is bad. Why would it help the MAC if the Big Ten was better? The makes no sense and is an effort to try and connect nonexistent dots.

Believe me, the fantasy land the SEC fans have created for themselves is just an grandiose as the one Big Ten fans have created for themselves without all of the desperate to be liked and taken seriously paranoia. That's why I go to ACC games. Nobody is pretending it is anything other than what it is.

[legendofzippy]

That is not the national perception of the the MAC or even close to the national perception. It's the perception of those who want the world to revolve around whatever large regional conference they live around.

Believe what you want to believe. The perception of the midwest is big and slow. I've seen it mentioned and discussed many times. Big Ten, MAC, ND are in that discussion. And Nebraska was even when they were in the Big 12.

Here's an example from mrsec.com:

"Look at the overall bowl records for the Big Ten and the MAC and you have to wonder just how much talent remains in the American Midwest as people migrate to the South and to the West. No wonder Midwestern teams and leagues are searching for ways to reach the prospects in the Sun Belt region."